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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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PaulR, for the 100th time, no one here is arguing the value or usefulness of a metaphor or myth... or story... for the purpose of life guidance, whatever.
100th time? Hardly true as a reality but nevertheless a solid metaphor for the point: you should already know this.
Nice that you laid this out so clearly for me. I assume then it's not necessarily "ovah for Jehovah." Posititve and encouraging.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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I push back on the emphasis of monocult-ural judeo-christian fairytales. You never hear paul defend the Bhagavad Gita or the I Ching or Harry Potter or Native American stories (that haven't been twisted into a psuedo-christian framework), but somehow the 5000 year old fairytales of a single tribe are useful metaphors for the (entire) human condition. All the flat out bullshit is to be interpreted as metaphor, yet it is the inerrant word of god.. what a useful way to frame your "truth."
I've described the syncretic nature of religious belief on this thread repeatedly. The only flat out bullshit around here is a product of your semi literate and myopic understanding of what religion is.
And as to sad lives lived: who the heck calls themselves antichrist? Sounds like a personal problem to me. Another fallen Christian with a sack of injured merit on his back and a chip on his shoulder.
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Don Paul
Social climber
Washington DC
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They need to write a new Bible with a more updated concept of human rights. Whatever parts support the Just War Theory (it's a good deed to kill evil people, the end justifies the means), need to get edited out.
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 1 Samuel 15:3
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Why the overwhelming difference in attitude between the old & new testaments?
Hellenism.
The great genius of Christianity was to pair the Old Testament with historical reality and Greek thought.
Wars are fought for political gain, religion may be employed as reason or justification but the underlying reasons are largely political as in you have that but I need it.
Myopic says he who can't see past the religion he is drowning in.
Drowning in what religion? I'm an atheist.
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WBraun
climber
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paul roehl -- "Drowning in what religion? I'm an atheist."
LOL .....
There goes Antiloon's whole mental speculations, ha ha ha ha.
Paul is an atheist and good one, not st00pid like the brainwashed fools who can't think period .....
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Don Paul
Social climber
Washington DC
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Poor kids, exposed to the truth at such a young age.
If there's any benefit to Santa Claus, it's to teach children not to believe everything they're told, even by their parents.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Just too funny. Get rid of Santa Clause. Kids need a hard dose of reality especially when they're five or six. Instead of Christmas take em to the morgue so they can fully understand the brevity and reality of life. Feed the weak ones to the wolves while you're at it. You guys are off the rails.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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First Santa and the Tooth Fairy, then the Spirit in the Sky, thank goodness the Easter Bunny lives on....
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WBraun
climber
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Santa Claus is so real and comes down my chimney all the time and we have conversations all the time on how st00pid these S'topo fools here are .....
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"
“If you want your children to be intelligent, read them fairy tales. If you want them to be more intelligent, read them more fairy tales.”
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“It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity.”
“Your question is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things.”
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Duh! The ONLY reason it took so long for WESTERN philosophy to treat mind and body as one is because... you got it, RELIGION muddied the water with all that soul/heaven/afterlife/god bullsh#t. Spinoza knew what you refuse to see.
Yeah, you left out the I am not an atheist part. Those like the previous quote were from Einstein, but he was, of course, a numbskull too. You know, as in "science without religion is lame."
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Thanks for the Mississippi John Hurt!
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Jim Clipper
climber
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FWIW: I think maybe he shined some light on heaven, and helped some people see him.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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The unattributed quotes were in response to the unattributed quote in the previous post. All quotes are to one degree or another out of context as that is their nature. The point being that Einstein's ideas concerning God were, at the very least, ambiguous.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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*We are just an advanced breed of monkeys on a minor planet of a very average star. But we can understand the Universe. That makes us something very special.
Stephen Hawking, Der Spiegel, 1989
Hawking spoke more plainly about his thoughts on God in an interview with Spanish publication El Mundo.
*“Before we understand science, it is natural to believe that God created the universe. But now science offers a more convincing explanation,” he said. “What I meant by ‘we would know the mind of God’ is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God, which there isn’t. I’m an atheist.”
Like Einstein, Hawking was another ambiguous thinker who could not make up his mind about a god's existence.......and just because he was supposedly good in physics does not mean his ideas on a creator should be respected
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WBraun
climber
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You're a nutcase and so you and your so-called bible believers deserve each other .....
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