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Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Nov 6, 2017 - 11:39am PT
Only in America:
(Begun as a fictional list, but the real "Only in Americas" are funnier, or at least stranger)

Drive-through banks, pharmacies, and liquor stores.

Parking lots (car parks) larger than the buildings they serve.

Sugar-frosted honey-coated deep-fat-fried cheese sticks - and a Diet Coke.

Bumper stickers that say "Honk if you hate noise pollution".

Creationists who insist that the pharmaceutical drugs they use first be tested on monkeys and chimps.

Football in which the ball is carried or propelled much more by hand than by foot.

People who argue that human life is so sacred that abortion justifies capital punishment.

A country where the "Lower Forty-eight" states are north of Hawaii, and where the "Continental U.S" doesn't include Alaska, which is clearly on the same continent.

A country where everyone has time to mow their three-acre lawn each week, but no one has time to cook their own food.

People who value equality so much that they think discrimination should be used to create it.

Academic institutions known more for their athletes than their scholars.

A country where the Big Ten has eleven schools, and a fifth is four fifths of a quart.

A country where "evil-doer" and "do-gooder" are both negative characterizations.

A country that claims to hate lawyers, and that elects only lawyers to public office.

Prices of gasoline (petrol) prices that are a fraction of the price of drinking water - and people complaining about the price of gasoline.

A State Department that has nothing to do with the states.

"In God We Trust" written on every piece of money of a nation that alleges to separate church and state.

A country where only the well-to-do ride bicycles.

One of the world's most technologically advanced countries, with the most antiquated system of weights and measures.

"The Land of the Free" with the world's second highest incarceration rate. Explanation

A principled refusal to ratify the 1989 United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child. (Somalia is the only other nation with the same principles.)
Byran

climber
Half Dome Village
Nov 6, 2017 - 07:40pm PT
A country where the Big Ten has eleven schools, and a fifth is four fifths of a quart.

"A fifth" gets its name because it's one-fifth of a gallon (which yes, is the same as four-fifths of a quart). Although typically they only contains 750ml. Just felt like pointing that out...





Also I think the Big Ten is up to 15 schools now.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Nov 7, 2017 - 08:02am PT


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3aLioDNAYg

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https://www.nature.com/news/reboot-for-the-ai-revolution-1.22826

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Not that anyone asked... but highly recommend Eagleman's Incognito: The Secret Lives of the Brain as a supplement to Wright's Why Buddhism is True.

"And so it goes with thoughts. What exactly is a thought? It doesn't seem to weigh anything. It feels ephemeral and ineffable [like our voice through the air]. You wouldn't think that a thought has a shape or smell or any sort of physical instantiation. Thoughts seem to be a kind of 'tremendous magic' [like a recorded voice to a 19th century west african native]." - Eagleman

Incognito. Well written. Keeps the reader positively grounded in science and helps keep him inoculated against America's (supertopo's) rampant, high-volume religious cling and woo-fest.

"So although it's easy to intuit that thoughts don't have a physical basis, that they are something like feathers on the wind, they in fact depend directly on the integrity of the enigmatic, three-pound mission control center."



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"Of all discoveries and opinions, none may have exerted a greater effect on the human spirit than the doctrine of Copernicus. The world had scarcely become known as round and complete in itself when it was asked to waive the tremendous privilege of being the center of the universe. Never, perhaps, was a greater demand made on mankind - for by this admission so many things vanished in mist and smoke! What became of our Eden, our world of innocence, piety and poetry; the testimony of the senses; the conviction of a poetic - religious faith? No wonder his contemporaries did not wish to let all this go and offered every possible resistance to a doctrine which in its converts authorized and demanded a freedom of view and greatness of thought so far unknown, indeed not even dreamed of."
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Nov 9, 2017 - 09:26am PT
Science facilitates lifelong learning...

"From the natural laboratory of evolution comes a related phenomenon in humans. At least 15 per cent of human females possess a genetic mutation that gives them an extra (fourth) type of color photoreceptor—and this allows them to discriminate between colors that look identical to the majority of us with a mere three types of color photoreceptors. Two color swatches that look identical to the majority of people would be clearly distinguishable to these ladies. (No one has yet determined what percentage of fashion arguments is caused by this mutation.)"

David Eagleman,
Incognito: The Secret Lives of the Brain

"The brain is properly thought of as a mostly closed system that runs on its own internally generated activity. We already have many examples of this sort of activity: for example, breathing, digestion, and walking are controlled by autonomously running activity generators in your brain stem and spinal cord."

"Throughout the brain there is as much feedback as feedforward—a feature of brain wiring that is technically called recurrence and colloquially called loopiness."

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"When as a girl she complained that the black clothing engulfing her body was too hot, her mother told her that hell was hotter."

http://quillette.com/2017/10/16/sarah-haider-normalizing-dissent-conversation/

"What we wanted to do with this tour was bring as much nuance to the conversation about Islam as we can." -Sarah Haider
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Nov 9, 2017 - 09:52am PT
Tim Minchin - “9 Life Lessons” UWA address.

For Tim, that is.

Every life appears to be different. Lessons that can be derived for them or from them might be considered to be unique.

Ditto for most scholarship. Always be aware of the sample and its size. No one (to my knowledge) has ever measured an entire population of anything that is considered its own. Garbage in, garbage out.

One could justifiably be wary of any generalization.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Nov 9, 2017 - 11:38am PT
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/11/why_conservatives_are_more_susceptible_to_believing_in_lies.html
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Nov 13, 2017 - 01:51pm PT
It's gone on for tens of thousands of years...

Roy Moore allegations prompt reflections...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/11/13/roy-moore-allegations-prompt-reflections-on-fundamentalist-culture-in-which-some-christian-men-date-teens/?utm_term=.11777e54618d

Older males hooking up with young girls.
The more alpha the male the more prevalent.

a woman of 15 or 16, if she’s been trained for a long time looking after her younger siblings, in their eyes she might be ready for marriage

A parent was interested in having her marry and move on

If you're an older male and attracted to young females, you can blame your alpha male ancestry.

In conversation at least, it IS astonishing how we brush over our evolution, our history, our evolutionary psychology.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 14, 2017 - 08:21am PT
One could justifiably be wary of any generalization.

I love this ironic comment, MikeL... bravo!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 14, 2017 - 08:28am PT
In conversation at least, it IS astonishing how we brush over our evolution, our history, our evolutionary psychology.

what, exactly, are you implying here, HFCS? replacing the excuse "the Devil made me do it" with "the DNA made me do it"?

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Nov 14, 2017 - 10:19am PT
Well, there is some basis for our behavior. Including the behavior of older males around young pubescent and post-pubescent girls. If not DNA, what?

As you know, the Devil doesn't exist. He never did. However DNA is "alive and well."

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"Man is a plant which bears thoughts, just as a rose-tree bears roses and an apple-tree bears apples" -Antoine Fabre D'Olivet

No word on what Antoine said of woman. ;)
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Nov 15, 2017 - 07:53am PT
The Lessons of Death
A Conversation with Frank Ostaseski

https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/the-lessons-of-death

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Jan, if you've finished the Wright work, Why Buddhism is True, I'd like to hear a few of your remarks re it. If you're so inclined. A few takeaways, ideas or insights, whatever.

If you give me one or three, I'll give you one or three.

I've been a Wright fan for probably 15 years. I've posted this before, probably on that lengthy thread that was deleted - such a shame this was done - but it's a favorite where he interviews Steven Pinker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHNYJ9Fn1Mg

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I won't be THAT impressed till I see a no-hands kip up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRj34o4hN4I

The blooper bit at the end is for us to laugh now, because soon enough they will be back flipping above our corpses. :)

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Inert Honnold?



http://nautil.us/issue/39/sport/the-strange-brain-of-the-worlds-greatest-solo-climber
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Nov 16, 2017 - 11:38am PT
One could justifiably be wary of any generalization

And . . . 'This sentence is not true'.

;>)

As you know, the Devil doesn't exist


Well, I beg to differ. He's alive and well on Fox TV's Lucifer, and pretty damned attractive at that!
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Nov 16, 2017 - 06:02pm PT
Hey, I said "could." "Could" was my weasel word.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Nov 16, 2017 - 08:46pm PT
re: American politics, sociopolitics

Any classical liberals here?



Classical liberals need to get involved and rein in SJW left (on campuses and streets across the country) or they're going to remain on the losing side of American partisan politics in 2018, 2020 and beyond.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/at-williams-a-funny-way-of-listening-1510869906

https://t.co/WDJnqymblf (should get you in)

Shameful.

Williams College: The college was ranked first in 2017 in the U.S. News & World Report's liberal arts ranking for the 15th consecutive year, and third among liberal art colleges in the 2017 Forbes magazine ranking of America's Top Colleges.

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"All of us, from cradle to grave, are happiest when life is organized as a series of excursions, long or short, from the secure base provided by our atttachment figures." -Bowlby

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/opinion/elites-taxes-republicans-congress.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2FDavid%20Brooks&action=click&contentCollection=Opinion&module=Collection®ion=Marginalia&src=me&version=column&pgtype=article
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Nov 19, 2017 - 04:12pm PT
Religion 4 Science 13

TIME 100 Persons of The Century Sunday, June 06, 1999
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,26473,00.html

Religion
Pope John Paul II, religious leader
Ayatullah R. Khomeini, leader of Iran's revolution
Billy Graham, evangelist
Mother Teresa, missionary nun

Science
Leo Baekeland, plastics pioneer
Tim Berners-Lee, Internet designer
Albert Einstein, physicist
Philo Farnsworth, inventor of electronic television
Enrico Fermi, atomic physicist
Alexander Fleming, bacteriologist
Robert Goddard, rocket scientist
Kurt Godel, mathematician
Edwin Hubble, astronomer
Jonas Salk, virologist
William Shockley, solid-state physicist
Alan Turing, computer scientist
James Watson & Francis Crick, molecular biologists
WBraun

climber
Nov 19, 2017 - 04:25pm PT
Malemute = clueless brainwashed idiot
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Nov 19, 2017 - 04:36pm PT
The Real Reason Religion Is Declining In America
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/our-changing-culture/201505/the-real-reason-religion-is-declining-in-america

American adolescents and emerging adults in the 2010s (Millennials) were significantly less religious than previous generations
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0121454

Religion Declining, Secularism Surging
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-zuckerman/religion-declining-secula_b_9889398.html

Attendance figures make clear that, overall, churches in America are in steady decline, just a few decades behind their cousins in Europe. Growth in evangelical congregations has not arrested the overall slide. America’s fastest growing religious affiliation is no religion at all. The non-religious are the single largest religious identification among younger voters in the US. Those venture-churches seem to act as the exit foyer of Christianity, swelling momentarily as people leave the faith community entirely. Even charismatic denominations like the Southern Baptists which had benefited from earlier declines in mainline Protestantism are beginning to see their numbers fall off at an alarming rate.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisladd/2017/03/30/organized-religion-is-being-replaced-by-disorganized-religion/#3d56853e489c
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Nov 19, 2017 - 04:52pm PT
The total number of languages is estimated to be between three thousand and eight thousand. It is difficulty to give a more accurate number, since linguists sometimes disagree what are distinct languages and what are dialects of the same language.
http://www.education.rec.ri.cmu.edu/fire/naclo/pages/Ling/Fact/num-languages.html

The precise number of religions in the world is not known, but available estimates show the number to be about 4,300, according to Adherents.com.
https://www.reference.com/world-view/total-number-religions-world-ff89ae17c6068514

Languages are invented by mankind.
Religions are invented by mankind.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Nov 19, 2017 - 05:06pm PT
10 Reasons You Should Never Have a Religion
1. Spirituality for dummies.
2. Loss of spiritual depth perception.
3. Engineered obedience training.
4. Toilet-bowl time management.
5. Support your local pedophile.
6. Incest is best.
7. Idiocy or hypocrisy – pick one.
8. Inherited falsehood.
9. Compassion in chains.
10. Faith is fear.
https://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2008/05/10-reasons-you-should-never-have-a-religion/
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Nov 19, 2017 - 05:23pm PT
How religions establish and change their beliefs
about God, humanity, & the rest of the universe.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/denomchg.htm
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