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WBraun
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Apr 28, 2018 - 08:09am PT
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No matter how much flowery language or how much word jugglery you use to deny you're an atheist you're still an atheist.
There's nothing wrong with admitting one is an atheist at all.
It's far better to remain atheist than be a hypocrite and do so much damage in the name of so-called religion .....
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Apr 28, 2018 - 08:25am PT
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"If you think you do not have to eat insects to survive you are wrong, because your mind has been bent and shaped and molded by an insect-eating past stretching back into the unfathomable abysm of time."
"If you think you are an atheist you are wrong, because your mind has been bent and shaped and molded by a god-fearing past stretching back into the unfathomable abysm of time." -Jordan Peterson
Hmm.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r679Hhs9Zs
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Apr 28, 2018 - 08:43am PT
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No Deposit No Return
From back when my nappy first started to smell
I was threatened with eternal damnation and hell
My prayers were rehearsed
Every time that I cursed
And man I was really pissed
When I found I was atheist
For all of those tithings wouldn’t be reimbursed
-from my church of what’s happening now
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Check out this guy trying to explain his atheist identity quietly, intelligently, respectfully. The TV host yells at him, then kicks him out.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
https://youtu.be/J5aseBw4BmM
Recall the meme: Religion poisons everything. (Hitchens)
Conversations like this are a mirror on our past - stretching back thousands of years. So informative, insightful.
"I advise you to leave and go straight to the psychiatric hospital."
And kudos to global organizations like MEMRI working quietly in the background - unsung heroes they are - to help update our worldwide global thinking one mind at a time.
Commentaries, youtube, point to the trends, I think.
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One or two here might know who Bart Ehrman is. I know from bitd Tony Bird and Karl Baba do. Just podcasted with Harris...
https://samharris.org/podcasts/what-is-christianity/
I gave it a listen. Most of all I was struck by how pre-21st century it all sounds now. A part of me wishes I could get back all the time in the 80s and 90s I gave to (I wasted on?) religious/theology studies and how these related to worldviews and ideas revealed by science.
For naturaliers like myself, maybe this podcast episode is worth a listen just to affirm/ to reinforce just how far the reasonably educated have come just in the last 50 years (a mere two generations).
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WBraun
climber
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Academics are clueless to God consciousness.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Divine Jester.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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(Well, he makes me laugh.)
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WBraun
climber
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HFCS -- "...this podcast episode is worth a listen just to affirm/ to reinforce just how far the reasonably educated have come just in the last 50 years
This just reaffirms all those over educated academics we fired and had to send them home because they were totally worthless in the wild.
They could barely tie their own shoelaces ......
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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"Be in the moment"? Man, the moment is overrated. Be all along your worldline. Stretch to the ends of eternity, if you're up to it. -Sean Carroll
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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HFCS,
I love the image of the little spider monkey. Real consciousness.
Er, "the moment" (as "in-the-moment") is not overrated--not in my experience. Anything else is false and not real.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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In ancient Egypt there were two kinds of time. When pharaohs passed away they entered the second kind: an eternal and unchanging moment.
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WBraun
climber
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Nothing is ever right with the material world since we are NOT material thus is an illusion to even celebrate.
We do not belong in the material world.
We are sent into the material world because we want to lord it over and act completely independent of the whole.
That is impossible to do (we are part parcel of the whole) and thus with a desire such as that you get to try in the material world and will be ultimately unhappy there, due to birth, death disease and old age.
The gross materialists are always in poor fund of knowledge trying to make the material world work for them.
Thus they remain in their own self-made insane illusion masquerading themselves as some so-called authority by rubber stamping themselves as experts according to their own developed material consciousness.
Wannabee fools paradise .......
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Yes, Church, the bad news is—you’re slowly but surely dying.
Yeah sure, and along with the church dies wisdom.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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The bad news is—you’re slowly dying.
It might be more appropriate to say that the [Christian] Church is not changing very much. The writing above seems to suggest that people no longer care about religious experience—that religion is dying. If so, that might be a far more difficult argument to make. The wont to find ways to relate to the experience of life seems deeply imbedded into the essential core of humanity. Science provides a view, but it is partial or biased.
Wittgenstein said that it is likely impossible for any culture to understand itself in its own time.
There are changes afoot everywhere, all the time. What those changes are, are perhaps less important than the recognition of change itself. Any organization (biological or material) might best remember that. Short of that understanding is dogma—the belief in principles unrelated to one’s own direct experience.
Dogma comes in all colors. It seems to be associated with ideology and past invested commitments.
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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In ancient Egypt there were two kinds of time. When pharaohs passed away they entered the second kind: an eternal and unchanging moment.
At work there was two types of time too, worker time and supervisor time!
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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May 16, 2018 - 07:44pm PT
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The idea is there before the science starts.
The assertion is false, assuming one defines "idea" roughly as the cognition of some object, action, or observation.
Science starts with an observation, i.e. the reception and identification of information. It proceeds with a hypothesis (an idea) to explain the observation and make it fit within a rational framework of other observations and predictive models. Then experiments test the hypothesis. If the hypothesis appears to be supported by the experiments, it is elevated to the status of a theory.
One might argue that for many observations, they are observed because they conflict with an expectation associated with a pre-existing idea. But this doesn't have to be the case. An observation can happen without a pre-conceived idea, unless you want to get picky and say that any apparatus for observation is worthless without some information (i.e. an idea) of how to map the raw input data to some sort of object model.
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