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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Norton, just scroll up 6 posts.
Happy New Year to ya Buddy!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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First, blu, you're going to have to tell me what you mean by "scientism" and "bigotry".
1) By "scientism" do you mean a science-based, science-abiding, science-respecting philosophy of life? y? n?
2) By "bigotry" do you mean criticism of religious ideas? y? n?
2b) or by "bigotry" do you mean SOMETHING MORE than criticism of religious ideas. y? n?
As I AM a religious critic (of religious ideas), indubitably.
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Hey, how you doing Norton?
Did you get a chance to watch that religious camp for kids video I posted upthread? I'm squarely with Dawkins on that one, that's child abuse in my book - if not in the 14th century then certainly in the 21st century. There are new and higher standards now and that sh#t needs to be called out. I only wish more of my left lib friends - if not "regressive left" lib friends then "conservative old-school left" lib friends would take a stand and get involved here (in other words, get in the game and not sit on the sidelines). Apparently, they're still stuck in this old habit of thinking that all cultures are equal, also all religions are equal, and none are to be criticized more than any other. How whack is that? It was whack 30 years ago and it still is. Whack.
I should say, though, that ever more liberals do seem to be coming around. Thanks to social media no doubt. So there is that bit of good news.
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re: bad religious ideas
You can "whip your wife gently" as a last resort.
Personally I think that's a bad idea. And since it's encouraged in Islamic scripture, also Sharia, it's a bad religious idea.
What do you think, Blu? Bad religious idea?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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indubitably
do you mean "undoubtedly"??
By scientism i mean; the congregation of some using the laws of Nature as a facsimile to promote their political agenda. IE< "Bill Nye, the science GUY".
By "bigotry", i mean any thing going past the mark of criticism. Example; i could criticize you for being black, when i'm white. But for me to emotionally go to the extent of whipping you just because your black, would be my definition of bigotry. Compared to a Lion criticizing the Antelope as being meat, instead of just brown.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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What do you think, Blu? Bad religious idea?
it is a bad religions, ideal. But has nothin to do with God's idea.
Edit; it is religions bad idea. But has nuthin to do with God's ideal.
More better?
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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As always, the debate is the nature of human beings versus the institution of religion.
Aha. Religion as a space alien invasion. Makes a certain sense.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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compared to water and life bumping into a rock called earth.
gimme some slack, belayer;)
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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He told the audience at the Catholic school that there is "no place" in the country's constitutional traditions for the idea that the state must be neutral between religion and its absence.
Do you understand that?
As as far as Presidents honoring God. Well there's Mr Obama, he seems to have everybody confused as to his motivation. The muslims say he's a christian. the christians say he's a muslim. and the atheist who voted for him say?. i'm not sure what they say? He seems to be conservative in motion being he's nonaggressive in action. He seems to be liberal by his openness to talk. And he's certainly given honor to God in the dozen or so speeches i've seen him make.
i think Scalia is right in saying america does well when we "Honor" God, compared to the obtuse in tryin to "Be" God.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Since others are stirring the pot, I couldn't resist:
John
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Indubitably
Def: that cannot be doubted; patently evident or certain; unquestionable.
Origin Latin: indubitalis
A term commonly used by the R. crumb character Mr. Natural
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Mark,
this Mr. Natural, I'm not familiar with this character but I wonder,
Does he ever whip his wife gently so that she better understands the situation?
(I'm taking a poll.)
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Mr. Natural is one of R. Crumbs famous characters. Two years ago, at the Venice Biennale, I saw his latest comic effort an illustrated Genesis from the Old Testament. Brilliant. Maybe the best thing at the entire affair. You should look it up.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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the accusation of scientism is interesting
mostly I just do science and not worry about whether or not it is capable of answering all these questions... you never know what you're going to find once you start looking around.
that doesn't have anything to do with "believing."
but it is true that I don't listen all that much to people who claim to know that somethings are "impossible" unless they have a good physical argument. but that's just me.
that's not scientism.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Bouguereau was a stodgy old 19th c. academic but a darn good painter. Here's what he has to say on the issue of religion. Something to think about before completely abandoning what is very helpful to some.
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cintune
climber
Bruce Berry's Econoline Van
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This idea of consolation as redemption keeps getting mentioned, but I honestly don't get it. What is the consolation? Is it based on the conviction that when our bodies die, we go on to some place of blissful reconciliation and bliss? I mean, sure, that'd be great. But if it's not literally true, is the self-deception/mass delusion still worth it for the beneficial feelings and behaviors it might foster?
Caption for the above picture:
"Ugh. I leave them alone for like five seconds...
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Jan 3, 2016 - 10:38am PT
Mark,
this Mr. Natural, I'm not familiar with this character but I wonder,
Does he ever whip his wife gently so that she better understands the situation?
(I'm taking a poll.)
Only if she asked him to! ;-)
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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This idea of consolation as redemption keeps getting mentioned, but I honestly don't get it. What is the consolation? Is it based on the conviction that when our bodies die, we go on to some place of blissful reconciliation and bliss? I mean, sure, that'd be great. But if it's not literally true, is the self-deception/mass delusion still worth it for the beneficial feelings and behaviors it might foster?
Yes, easy to see you don't get it. I can only say with certainty that consolation is something experienced by the living. Unlike you, I really have no idea what happens after death. If you know, then you are in rarified company with the likes of Christ, Orpheus and Gilgamish and other religious figures who approached the subject with certainty. I suppose It's good to know what is literally true about death and as well, to be able to find the humor in depictions of dead children. I'm just not there yet.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Just finished The Wreck of the Medusa-- The Tragic Story of the Death Raft by Alexander McKee.
A good read, a great painting: "The soul of France is on that raft."
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Gericault actually had two of the survivors , Savigny and Correard, pose for the painting.
Gericault was a man possessed.
Very very interesting artist.
A work of his from 1808
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