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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 31, 2015 - 12:21pm PT
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Hey, Ed:
I didn't mean that YOU would take it personally. :-) From what I see of you here, I'd imagine that your interests are not so materially oriented. I suspect that you are more driven by curiosity than by financial gain.
Not that financial gain is all wrong. I'm just trying to show that there are other views, and that some of those views would support some people's ideas here in this website about freedom as well as the importance of creativity and innovation. In my field of study, there have been many criticisms of how the IP legal system has been distorting what might be termed natural tendencies toward creativity, innovation, and entrepreneurial activities.
But much of this, in my view, has been tied-up with orientations toward personal gain and general aggrandizement. When I taught in Silicon Valley, most of the students who wanted to start a company wanted to start one up simply so that they could sell it for unicorn-like gain. They had no real interest in creating products and services so that they could help and serve people and society.
IP confers a monopoly status, and with it great privilege--and power over stakeholders in a marketplace. Even in a marketplace of ideas.
Happy New Year to all.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 31, 2015 - 12:52pm PT
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Modern materialistic science does not care about the Truth.
There is no need for truth they say.
And still they make show bottle truth by their manufactured Supreme court.
When they don't like their manufactured truth they'll just get a new guy in a robe to change it.
If there was need for Truth then all the illisionary energies would stop having their effect and the material scientists will be out of work.
What will the poor scientists do without work?
They will have to plow the fields to produce nice foodstuffs instead of making nuts, bolts and bombs that you can't eat.
But instead of growing nice foodstuffs they grow poison in the form of GMO.
Such wonderful modern science .....
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 31, 2015 - 01:03pm PT
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The modern scientist will explore space.
They never explore the space inside their heads.
We must find more resources to feed our material machine beasts we've created they say.
They'll tax the poor citizens to support their nonsense.
The poor citizens will eat gruel, roots and tubers for their sacrifice to pay for it.
Many will live in the streets and gutters so that the modern scientist can fly around in outer space doing nothing.
There will be wars over the territories.
The illusionary energies keep the the modern space men very busy,
Doing nothing .....
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 31, 2015 - 01:35pm PT
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You stoopid scientists always talk about religion.
I don't.
And why do you spend so much time on religion.
Because you've made yourselves sterile.
You don't know what is what anymore.
You've artificially designated everything into your sterile minds ......
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 31, 2015 - 01:50pm PT
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Moose, sorry to hear about Poland. I hear it's got people concerned. You'll have to be our eyes, ears and interpreter. I for one would like to get your perspective as future unfolds. Fareed Zakaria spoke of the concerns a couple weeks ago too.
Yesterday we watched Bridge of Spies with Tom Hanks. You might enjoy it.
Santa gave me this for Christmas Curante, I like it very much!
Happy New Year, Moose!
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"You stoopid scientists..." -dipsh
Dip, per usual, you are pathetic, terribly indecent, tedious.
Really, have you no shame? None at all?
PS. I had a tuber for lunch.
It was no sacrifice, it was delicious.
I really can't imagine your payoff for being such as assh#%@ on
this thread.
No need to respond, it was only a rhetorical musing.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Dec 31, 2015 - 01:52pm PT
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OK fructose, clue us non engineers in. What the heck is that machine you're carrying that you like so much?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 31, 2015 - 02:28pm PT
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That unit has a slew of negative reviews. ?
Are you joking?
If not, better look again.
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EDIT
Fair enough, Jstan.
Happy New Year!
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Dec 31, 2015 - 02:41pm PT
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. . . some on this thread would certainly insist that ultimately, ALL that Michelangelo put on display in the Sistine ceiling can be explained and known by way of physical drivers or sources. So rather than use made-up paradigms like myth and art, Michelangelo’s drift could be encapsulated in scientific language with far greater precision and possibly with sufficient rigor that it could be confirmed and replicated by 3rd parties
You must be desperate for an argument to make that silly assumption.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Dec 31, 2015 - 03:41pm PT
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Fuking religion!
Damn, I am so mad. After 40+ years of the communist regime, we now have a black robe regime.
Moose
It isn't religion it's the people (humans) where the problem is. Religion can do good, can do bad depends entirely who's operating the machine. Get rid of religion and see how quickly evil goes away in the world.
You must be desperate for an argument to make that silly assumption.
From the reading of posts on this thread I don't see the assumption you refer to as silly.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 31, 2015 - 06:57pm PT
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Great post Jan:)
The main responsibility is still personal.
That sounds like the ideal of the Constitution, and maybe the hopes of it's authors. But how legit is that really, today? We all individually give up responsibility's to the Gov everyday. Such as, law writers, military homeland security,police protection,fire protection,education,social security,etc. These are all structures we as individuals have decided are to big and complicated for the mere family or neighborhood's responsibility. So we hand these responsibility's over to the government, which in-turn in sense we share the responsibility by paying for them. Within this structure of, each pays a fair share for the greater progress of the whole, we can as individuals still claim 'we hold these truths to be self evident, that each man was created EQUAL..,for each to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.'
Tell me what a "Constitution" should say if it guaranteed all of the above structures, and also committed to providing child care, school lunches, condoms, abortions, utility bill payments, food stamps, housing, medical bills, etc, etc.
Do you see these recipients capable of pursuing the American dream? IMO, the "act" of pursuing through liberty brings happiness, constitutes the american dream.
"Give a man a fish and you fill his stomach and bring him pleasure. Teach a man to fish and you fill his mind and cause his heart to grow"
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 31, 2015 - 07:05pm PT
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I have no idea what is happening in Poland. Most people I spoke with are against PIS. Must be old, conservative, church goers that elected them.
that's quite the opinion you cast from what, the 2 or 4 people whom you spoke? i don't know what's going on over there either. i would love to hear though, unbiased of course.
Happy New Year Mooseburger:)
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Dec 31, 2015 - 09:05pm PT
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From the reading of posts on this thread I don't see the assumption you refer to as silly
Yes, it's silly. JL is fishing off the far end of the pier.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 31, 2015 - 09:44pm PT
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If gravity is anything, it's silly!
Why would anything continue to push against what is obvious to go up?
It's 2016 in NY. So by reading their tweets am i traveling into the future?
Happy New Year Jake!!
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 31, 2015 - 10:36pm PT
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According to the atheists everyone is uneducated if they God conscious.
You people are insane .....
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 31, 2015 - 10:43pm PT
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got it Mooser!
yeah that's double bummer.
1. The church is controlling the government/money of the people.
2. It's the catholic church!
i guess their only choice was this or isis, eh?
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Dec 31, 2015 - 11:39pm PT
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MH2 posted:
The true and entire nature of subjective truths? Can you give us a picture of what that would look like?
What's wrong with incomplete and provisional knowledge?
Your subjective experiences arise from ongoing conversations among your 10 billion neurons about what they have seen and felt, often imperfectly perceived, mixed together, and poorly remembered.
What else do you need to know?
Those are absolutely and literally wonderful questions!
And, the summary of process for our experience is spot on. It does appear to be that some people's sensors and processors are better calibrated than others.
Sometimes I find my sensors and processor need calibration. ;-)
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WBraun
climber
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What's wrong with incomplete and provisional knowledge?
There's no need for truth.
Just convict and hang the wrong one.
There's no need for truth.
Just destroy, mislead and get everyone killed ....
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