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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 13, 2015 - 11:33pm PT
Did you watch Joel today jesus?
jonnyrig

climber
Sep 13, 2015 - 11:33pm PT
Hey, could one of you brilliant scientific types calculate the raw BTU's released into the atmosphere by combustion of dinosaur fuel vs the atmospheric volume of the entire planet and tell me how much we're raising the temperature of the planet's gaseous layer simply by burning the sh#t in our cars, trucks, energy plants, and home heating systems?

I did it once. Seemed legit. Like 1*F annually or something absolutely insane and refutable. Didn't save it. Too lazy to look it all up again. Besides, y'all got more math skillz than me. And Jesus to save ya from the results. Or Allah. Jus' sayin. Amen.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Sep 14, 2015 - 08:22am PT
My old buddy Jared won a runner-up prize that Doritos had back in 2007 for a Super Bowl commercial. They ended up sending he and his wife to the Super Bowl in Miami all expenses paid.
I didn't see it until after it was made (but before submitted) and tried to convince him (Jared is not a climber) to re-shoot the thing so as to swap out the cheese-ball gear for some authentic stuff I could happily furnish
He said " no , too much of a hassle-- they won't know anyway"

This might be the only climbing topic post thus far on this thread, Lord what have we come to:

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Jared pinched the original idea off of your's truly.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 14, 2015 - 01:38pm PT
How about that which we cannot see, such as consciousness, that with no rest mass, or the no-thing from which the big bang and all physical properties are believed by many to have emerged?

Consciousness is an emergent quality of animals with big brains. You can train an octopus to unscrew a jar.

Test: Disable brain and see what happens to consciousness.

Solved.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 14, 2015 - 01:52pm PT
Geez, this thread is dead for months, and now it is ripe with low hanging fruit.

Paul said,

If life is an inevitable occurrence by virtue/result of the laws of physics then it would be logical to conclude that consciousness is also inevitable and like life is written into the very fabric of what is.

Who said that life is inevitable? It is most assuredly not. Granted, we have a sample size of one (the Earth), but right now, all life shares a universal genome, indicating a single common ancestor from which life began. That is not certain, though. We haven't sequenced the genome of every bacterium on the Planet.

Consciousness is not inevitable, even if you have life. For billions of years, life on Earth was simple cells or colonies of cells. Only 540 million years ago did most animal phylums begin, in the Cambrian Explosion. Life, for 3 billion years, was very simple. The circumstances (or action) behind the Cambrian Explosion are unknown.

It may very well be that most planets are sterile, even if they have the same chemistry as Earth. Perhaps it will turn out that most Earth like planets do have life, but complex life is rare. Or it may turn out that most Earth like planets, given enough time, all contain complex life.

With a sample size of one, we can only infer. If you can answer that one, you will get a Nobel Prize.
Norton

Social climber
Sep 14, 2015 - 02:08pm PT
but right now, all life shares a universal genome, indicating a single point where life began.



Base, can you elaborate on that for me?
WBraun

climber
Sep 14, 2015 - 02:55pm PT
Base104 -- "Consciousness is not inevitable,"

Without consciousness there will be ZERO life.

The very first thing before anything in the Universe there was consciousness ......
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 14, 2015 - 02:57pm PT
Norton, he means a universal genetic code. (Not genome.)
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Sep 14, 2015 - 03:26pm PT
The very first thing before anything in the Universe there was consciousness ......
And you saw it all from the periscope in your bunker?
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Sep 14, 2015 - 03:44pm PT
Who said that life is inevitable? It is most assuredly not.

You should read Jeremy England.

Think about it: if time, space, matter and energy are infinite, and they may very well be, and the very structure of physics favors/allows life/ consciousness, and we have proof of that by virtue of our own existence, then how can life and consciousness not be inevitable given that infinite structure? It is certainly more likely life/consciousness is inevitable simply because it happened. If it hadn't happened you'd have a stronger argument.

England's theory is that not only do the laws of thermodynamics allow life they, in a sense, insist on it. Fascinating stuff.
Norton

Social climber
Sep 14, 2015 - 04:11pm PT
The Rare Earth and Odds of Life


1 Rare Earth's requirements for complex life
1.1 The right location in the right kind of galaxy
1.2 Orbiting at the right distance from the right type of star
1.3 With the right arrangement of planets
1.4 A continuously stable orbit
1.5 A terrestrial planet of the right size
1.6 With plate tectonics
1.7 A large moon
1.8 One or more evolutionary triggers for complex life
1.9 The right time in evolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_Earth_hypothesis
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Sep 14, 2015 - 04:15pm PT
Whether life is rare or not or requires a particularly unusual environment would, as you know, have nothing to do with whether or not it was inevitable in an open infinite system.
WBraun

climber
Sep 14, 2015 - 04:33pm PT
There's no "odds of life"

Life exists eternally.

With the dissolution of the entire material universes life will still exist.

Life itself is completely independent of the material energies.

The foolish material mechanistic consciousness of life by the gross materialists is completely wrong and defective
and always the root cause of all poor fund of knowledge of the living entities.

Norton

Social climber
Sep 14, 2015 - 04:37pm PT
Paul,

The "known universe" is finite

in that based upon what we know it had a beginning with a rate of expansion

paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Sep 14, 2015 - 04:46pm PT
It may be finite and it may be infinite. There are those reputable physicists that argue for the latter.
MikeL

Social climber
Seattle, WA
Sep 14, 2015 - 05:11pm PT
Norton: . . . we know it had a beginning with a rate of expansion

Theory.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 14, 2015 - 05:49pm PT
In case you missed it...

http://www.ora.tv/rubinreport

I am struck giddy by how much internet video production has evolved in a mere 10 years! Mind-blowing actually.

......

We Need to Talk About Islam’s Jihadism Problem

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/15/we-need-to-talk-about-islam-s-jihad-problem.html?via=desktop&source=twitter

"Unfortunately, out of excessive concern not to appear biased, many liberals consider any discussion of the special problem posed by Islamism to be a sign of bigotry. This attitude helps bar the door to reform."

"Calling out and combating the ideology of Islamism is the only way that non-Muslims can help those liberal Muslims who wish to reform their faith from within. And failing to do so means abandoning the most vulnerable in Muslim communities—women, gays, apostates, freethinkers, and intellectuals..."
Norton

Social climber
Sep 14, 2015 - 06:11pm PT

yes Mike

"theory"

but until or if ever someone comes up with a better analysis, theory is all we got

.....is evolution still a theory?

it was, until centuries of finding irrefutable fossils and advances in dating came along.....
WBraun

climber
Sep 14, 2015 - 07:05pm PT
finding irrefutable fossils


This exactly what they do dig up dead bones like dogs and study them.

This why they are so clueless.

They never study life like a human being.

Instead they study dead sh!t like an animal and make up sh!t and call it irrefutable.

Stooopid clueless gross materialists .....
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 14, 2015 - 08:05pm PT
in that based upon what we know it had a beginning with a rate of expansion Norton said this

"We"? what do have a mouse in your pocket? How do YOU know it's expanding???

I would really like to hear your explanation as to how you know, please?
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