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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Our intelect and evolution brings with it the social and biogical imperative of assuming now if not too late the duty of planetary custodian...
It does? Wtf does our "intellect and evolution" have to do with some sort of "imperative" to assume being a 'planetary custodian' whatever the hell that is?
It's long been surmised that, out and about in the universe, the first basic test of an 'advanced' civilization is to survive itself.
Are you referring to the grand dictum of the 4th Galactic counsel of elders?
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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Feb 10, 2015 - 05:52am PT
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"Intellect and evolution brings with it the social and biogical imperative of assuming now if not too late the duty of planetary custodian..."
"It does? Wtf does our "intellect and evolution" have to do with some sort of "imperative" to assume being a 'planetary custodian' whatever the hell that is?"
'Evolved intellect' means people smart enough to have contaminated the environment with oil, chemicals, radioactive waste, carbon, medical waste, and 438,573,886,764 poopy diapers and other such rot, 'planetary custodian' means get a mop, and 'imperative, means somebody shouldn't have to drag us by the ear and kick us in the butt to make us start cleaning it all up before we all choke.
Hey Somebody,
How do you put the little boxes around the print?
Oh and yes I believe it's that dictum,
or somebody dictum,
I meant somebody's dictum...never mind!
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Feb 10, 2015 - 06:54am PT
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We humans share lots of anatomy, physiology, and behavior with other animals. However, there are important differences, too. When it comes to self-awareness, I am still puzzled that young humans sometimes decide to kill themselves whereas other animals seem not to. An animal wouldn't need to use the means that humans do; it could just seek out a predator rather than avoid them.
Another facet of awareness is trying to guess what another individual is thinking or feeling. This is an important ability for a predator if the prey has any ability to guess what is about to happen, too.
In humans we find acting, the sort where one person imitates another. Many comics do impressions to hilarious effect. Language isn't even necessary for this. A climber I knew once parodied the climbing styles of a bunch of us, and he killed, as they say.
Do animals have a sense of humor? Where does the use of 'aping' as a way to describe imitative behavior come from?
Do people have a sense of humor? When I google for 'ethology animal humor' I find a few scholarly articles. For example,
The Adaptive Value of Humor and Laughter (in some journal of ethology)
Humor in Apes (in The International Journal of Humor)
To read either of these articles I would need to pay about $30. Does that make you laugh?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 10, 2015 - 07:45am PT
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I am still puzzled that young humans sometimes decide to kill themselves whereas other animals seem not to...
Breathing in Dolphins is voluntary and there have been documented instances of suicide among captive populations. Less well documented is they have been known to drown newborns in captivity.
As a side note, dolphins have had essentially their current brain for millions of years compared to our 100k years or so of brain evolution. They are sophisticated organisms.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 10, 2015 - 07:51am PT
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our 100k years or so of brain evolution.
Such bullsh!t.
Humans have been around for millions of years.
Like I said.
Humans cremated the dead for millions of years and you fools only have recent dug up bones to go by.
Your whole scientific method is defective ....
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feralfae
Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
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Feb 10, 2015 - 07:54am PT
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Bushman: Hey Somebody,
How do you put the little boxes around the print?
Copy a quote, open a reply window, click on the "quote" symbol, and insert the copied words where indicated.
feralfae
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 10, 2015 - 07:58am PT
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Humans have been around for millions of years.
When we reached our current brain size - like yesterday compared to a lot of Cetacean species.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Feb 10, 2015 - 08:03am PT
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The general public won't be reaching a consensus anytime soon on either Jesus de Nazareth's encouragement to forgive or Sam Harris's encouragement to forgive (in the wake of discredited "libertarian" "supercausal" freewill).
Just look at some of the reader commentary in today's New York Time's piece on Brian Williams: victim of false memory?
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/09/was-brian-williams-a-victim-of-false-memory/?smid=tw-share&_r=0
We are instinctual. We are predatory. When it comes to engaging those we perceive as our opponents we have no qualms about zero-sum outcomes. (Assuming we're winning of course.)
The trials of life.
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I see the science flunkies are having their say.
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"This discussion is really good! Inspiring!" -Moose
Seeking political office, are we? or humorous sarcastic? lol
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 10, 2015 - 08:07am PT
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They are sophisticated organisms
Then why do they play with their food? I got yelled at for doing that.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Feb 10, 2015 - 08:12am PT
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Sometimes the quote function does not work the way it's supposed to. That's why I often put quotes in italics instead.
As for brain size, Neanderthals had an average size of 1,500 and Homo sapiens only 1350, so our size has gone down thanks to using our brain better with language.
Since whales and dolphins clearly communicate in sound, we have no idea when that started or how that has affected their brains.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Feb 10, 2015 - 08:17am PT
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"our size has gone down thanks to using our brain better with language."
This is a baseless claim.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 10, 2015 - 08:25am PT
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The [Cetacean skull] discovery pushes back the origins of the ability, called echolocation, to at least 32 million years ago
They've had sophisticated vocalizations and acute listening skills for awhile.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 10, 2015 - 08:25am PT
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Most peoples brain size are still average.
Yours (HFCS) one of the few that shrunk ......
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Feb 10, 2015 - 08:52am PT
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Hey fructose, read some anthropology.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Feb 10, 2015 - 08:58am PT
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"Christians now face a choice: take Bible literally and endorse primitive morality or jettison it and reason your way to moral principles." Michael Shermer
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"our size has gone down thanks to using our brain better with language... read some anthropology. "-Jan
Doubling down, I see.
So let's see a reference backing your claim.
You're fascinating to me because you're the most superstitious "scientist" I know.
How do you know "our" brain size hasn't gone down due to evolutionary dvt of a wider range of neuron types? or more efficient ion channeling? or more efficient motor pathways? or better circuitry architecture? or more efficient memory streaming? or less that or less this?
Let's see your reference, dear, claiming brain size in modern hominids has gone down due to better brain relationship (usage) with language.
Waiting...
Credentials? I've had a year of graduate level neurobiology at a research university. You? I've had years of circuitry design. Half a dozen of these in a neuroscience facility. You?
You're a baseless claims queen, here, esp regarding mind-brain relations. (Merely my professional focus in life for a half dozen years.) You get my attention (whereas others in comparison not so much) simply because you claim to be a scientist and because you make claims about how the mindbrain works.
You've claimed in the past on this site to be mechanically challenged. And yet here you pop off claims, assertions and what not concerning a mechanical biological thing that's merely 1000 times (if not) more sophisticated in complexity, more sophisticated in hardware and software, than any engine or computer machine. On and on.
Where is the humility?
People don't hear me claiming stuff that doesn't have a basis in evidence or reason. That's all.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 10, 2015 - 09:04am PT
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So let's see a reference backing your claim.
You are the reference .....
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 10, 2015 - 09:29am PT
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Are you sure you're reading correctly Locker.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Feb 10, 2015 - 09:33am PT
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Hey flunkie,
you ridicule (ceaselessly) my passion.
someday somebody's going to sh#t on your rope. When that day comes you won't be getting any sympathy.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 10, 2015 - 09:40am PT
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You failed again HFCS.
Jan said: brain size in modern hominids has gone down due to better brain relationship
So it was actually a compliment to you which shows how quickly you jump to conclusions without even thinking deeply due to your biases.
I did this on purpose to show exactly how you a so called scientists fail elementary observations.
Never underestimate what you are seeing in front of you ......
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Feb 10, 2015 - 09:42am PT
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Feb 10, 2015 - 09:33am PT
Hey flunkie,
you ridicule (ceaselessly) my passion. someday somebody's going to to sh#t on your rope. When that day comes you won't be getting any sympathy
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