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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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But, would not the seeds of imagination sewed throughout our cultures by 'science fiction thinking' be also thought of as another 'form' of transcendence, where the outcome has no 'true meaning', yet oft times spurs the technological and in the rarest of cases some sociological advancement of our civilization.
What's with all this 'No' stuff? no truth, no suffering, no meaning, ETC>.(
Without all those you would consider it a sociological advancement, or somekind of nirvana?
But how could they be considered without a meaning???
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Bushman
Social climber
The island of Tristan da Cunha
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Someone here might better be able to respond to that Blue. In my post, to be clear I am referring to a transcendence of our civilization through scientific discovery and to be be more confusingly nonspecific, I am also alluding to a progressive social revolution of humanitarian, ecological, and economic reforms.
Of spiritual enlightenment I know little, except that of my own realization of what is important to me (through loss and injury, if you call that suffering). In the grand scheme of things I see little meaning to our existence outside of the meaning and value we assign to our own individual lives and place or reason for existence within the universe.
Believe it or not though, and I have a hard time understanding it myself, the concept of 'Love' is probably the single most compelling emotion and underlying factor acting against my selfish nature and thinking than of any other emotions or thoughts I have, cynical of religion or spirituality though I may be.
There are probably myriad deeper explanations to such emotions and thoughts that have biological and evolutionary origins of which I am consciously unaware.
-Bushman
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Bushman
Social climber
The island of Tristan da Cunha
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If the Donkey Bleats for No Man, the Donkey Bleats for Thee.
In the bleating lies the meaning...
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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In the bleating lies the meaning...
I'm trying to recall or imagine a bleating that meant nothing.
No luck so far.
edit:
Wait a moment.
Maybe some pop singer?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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A lone sheep bleats, a donkey brays,
through empty streets the Christian prays,
past paddocks full of oats and hays,
pining for the End of Days.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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I don't think even god could have predicted that last interception. From the look on his face, Carroll sure didn't. Need I mention 'follow the bouncing ball'?
Wilson forgot the basic laws of physics: Marshawn + ball = 3+ yard gain.
Seahawks games are not for the determinate types. Stochasticity, yo.
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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BB'er said "What's with all this 'No' stuff? no truth, no suffering, no meaning, ETC>.(
Without all those you would consider it a sociological advancement, or somekind of nirvana?
But how could they be considered without a meaning??? "
Refer to my last post that explains why you can't make sense of it. also try googling Thich Nhat hahn's reinterpretation of the heart sutra and the notes afterward might help you get a feel for what is trying to be expressed in the HSutra.
bottom line is you can't really get the heart sutra unless you do the work! or have some experience that completely blows your mind so that you are no longer attached to your situation,condition or your opinions. Wide open mind not attached to anything ; easy to say hard to do. That is why some sort of practice is necessary.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Thanks PP
So do you have Ultimate Nirvana?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Anyone hear know anything about archery? I'm looking to pick up a cost effective recurved bow and start thwapping. 60", 40 lb take down recurve to start.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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The mechanical determination model is slaved to reductionism, and as we have seen, when we reduce down far enough, we come to no thing at all. That is, "no physical extent." So this is why Fruity's mechanistic determinism is out-dated, according to the physicists that I know, as Fruity is still clinging to the illusion that events are always determined by antecedent, lower-level physical instances. Except at bottom, there is no material.
It's all sourced/determined by nothing.
Now watch the fearful refute this like rats in a sinking ship. There HAS to be some THING down there that causes and determines all of the hoopla, right? Without that, how does the world go around?
JL
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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how does the world go around?
Yeah. What does keep the world spinning, and circling the sun so precisely?
is there a humongous engine?
or is motion someTHING that cant be reduced?
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Now watch the fearful refute this like rats in a sinking ship.
How do the rats get off the ship? Especially if they are busy refuting something?
A mixed-up metaphor.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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The mechanical determination model is slaved to reductionism, and as we have seen, when we reduce down far enough, we come to no thing at all. . . . according to the physicists that I know, as Fruity is still clinging to the illusion that events are always determined by antecedent, lower-level physical instances. Except at bottom, there is no material
It's all sourced - determined by nothing
Good to see you back in great form, John!
You are an excellent spokesperson and champion of nothing.
;>)
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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You are an excellent spokesperson and champion of nothing. Sigh. So many words; so little reporting back...
It's like someone doing 3k posts saying "it's all sourced from uncertainty". At what point does no-thing-ness become synonymous with meaningless? Or just another form of religious fundamentalism? At the very least it's like the world's longest run-on sentence at this point.
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Bushman
Social climber
The island of Tristan da Cunha
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Some here are clearly not dedicated to meditation or Buddhism so obviously we're not going down the path of doing the work of trying to reach that form of enlightenment. "What other form of enlightenment is there?" some would say. I find the discussion itself (religion vs science) to be a form of enlightenment. To each his own.
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Bushman
Social climber
The island of Tristan da Cunha
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'Organs for Rent'
Normal human organ farms are,
Harvesting organs for the war,
To meet the quota and supply our,
Organs for the cyborg corps,
Genetic mutants are herding your,
Dwindling numbers through the door,
But we don't care what cyborgs corps,
Or mutant armies struggle for,
It's only rumor I'm not sure,
That aliens are at the door,
To rub out humans by the score,
Or save us from oppressors sword,
But either way I'm not to care,
With brains too small I'm unaware,
If future earthlings live or die,
Or robots brains that never cry,
Are tunneling or flying high,
With floating cities in the sky,
Genetic mutants never lie,
So I'll not live to wonder why,
Our species was just in the way,
So c'est la vie it's natures way.
-bushman
02/03/04
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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it's alright.
i'm safe because i'm already a hole.
how do you get rid of that which isn't there?
to exorcise me
would essentially eliminate
the void.
and without a void,
substance loses it's reference,
and then relativity unravels
leaving nothing
but smoke in the room.
smoke which reports the liberation
of all organized matter
unto disorder.
THE NORWEGIAN WROTE THIS NOT ME. . .
TAKEN BY ME BY CUT AND PASTE.
I AM NOT SURE IF I HAVE PERMISSION TO POST IT TO THIS THREAD.
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