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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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An interesting question posed here....thanks for asking.
And, OBTW, it's wonderful to be back in "communication land" tho I sorely miss my pure air at 10,000 feet and the shimmering, gold and yellow of the fall in my favorite Sierra.
I used to fear death when I was the Mom of 4 kiddos which I think is one of the reasons I did not climb much with my husband. One of us needed to live to raise the brood. But now the kids are raised. Six years ago I watched my husband die slowly for 30 days, and there is nothing to fear anymore. Jesus is my best friend and the rest is history.
So now, instead of thinking about death and dying, I focus on going to sleep each night with a smile and a prayer for many on my lips. And when my eyes open in the morning I smile again and thank God for one more day to view the glorious planet and to love the people that come across my path.....for this one day.
For that is all we have. This one day. Treasure it and those around you.
Peace and glad to be back on the Taco. Love, lynnie
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Interesting idea Werner. Is this idea your own or of a religion or discipline you practice? I tried to steer conversation to the loved ones happiest days during their last waking hours. My thinking at the time was that those last thoughts might well be expansive, independent of time or this physical world we percieve.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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As I said to you at Facelift, dear Lynnie, there is no fear in you when it counts. Bless you for your faith and your practicing of what you believe.
I find this inspiring.
Death is like changing from a dirty diaper to a clean one, possibly, as Werner's idea and the ideas of post-life in general indicate.
Punishment should not be a part of it, for I'm certtain that this is where much of our fear of dying comes in.
Fear of pain is not fear of death. Death is surcease from pain for many of us, whether of physical or emotional pain.
If God were a legislative body, and if we were meant to be punished for screwing up in life, we might be stuck with a three-strike rule.
Or sumthin.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Hey, Werner
Missed you in the Valley at FL.
Is Death God? I think God encompasses death but death is not the entirety of God. I was going to agree with you that death is absolute, but then I thought, well maybe not if I believe in life after death, which I do.
Death would be absolute to a human body dying, but not to the soul/spirit they are comprised of. That would live on. That is, just of course, my humble opinion. Cheers, lynne
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WBraun
climber
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Death is Absolute therefore it's an attribute of God.
Since its absolute therefor death is God.
God is Time and no one can ever defeat Time.
Death on this material plane is desolation of ones material body.
But we are not the body .......
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coolrockclimberguy69
climber
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We may not ever be bounce proof, but if we do "go in" we should endeavor to make it a striking death. A death that leaves our friends and family knowing that we flamed away forerunning the limit of the human experience after preparing in every possible way to do so. Be hard on your motivations: they are the only thing that separates being remembered as adventurous from foolhardy.
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Carson City, NV
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Yes. Yes yes yes yes!
Thanks Werner.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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A good conversation as well as intriguing thought material, Werner. I do agree that the physical body is not the entirety of who we are. We are much more. Hence the discussions of many philosophies over time that when the physical body dies there could be more than just the death of the body. What about the spirit/soul....whatever...... ?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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everybody i thought was cool is 6 feet underground,
therefore this life is death, and death will be a new life,
where i can take that first toke and listen to all along the watchtower by hendrix and kiss 14 year old girls and cop my first feel,
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Thanks for further explanation of the absolutes of your beliefs Werner. Was your path to this state of understanding solo FA or assisted by beta on an established route?
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Gal
Trad climber
going big air to fakie
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I have to say, I started to fear death when I was 5. I fear it because the idea of not existing anymore is terrifying. To all those who say they don't fear it, I have to call bs. because on your deathbed I think you will be scared. Why will you be scared? because nobody, not the scientists nor the religious, know what really happens when we die - cuz if you're reading this, you ain't dead - so I KNOW YOU DON"T KNOW. So I guess I'm scared of the unknown, and never existing again. If i have my soulmate by my side when it happens, and we are holding hands at the time, at least I know I'll go into some other state very happy. We decided when we're super old, like 80, we are going to get face tattoos, do a huge pile of cocaine, and base jump, then see where we're at lol!
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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I had similar fears as Gal when I was young. I'd think of the big zero, a void, the nothing, eternity and it would scare me. Now what scares me is the process of getting to the finish line. The fact is if we live long enough we bury most of our loved ones and life friends as we slowly give up the things that gave us so much joy as our bodies fail and fall apart. I've accepted my death as being a natural piece of life, my apprehension is entirely focused on just how those last remaining days, weeks, months or years play out. I was once told by a wise old man, "try not to live so long" as he suffered through his remaining days I realized the last great gift of life is death.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Released into general population, Idaho
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A good Klingon friend of mine once said:
He died well.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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We atheists only get one shot.
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Psilocyborg
climber
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^^ what wb said
There are many things in life worse than death
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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some people really love being alive.
me, i think it's just o.k.
life is just an awkward pause in the journey.
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MH2
climber
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I dunno. I guess most of my ancestors who didn't fear death got weeded out.
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Mike Friedrichs
Sport climber
City of Salt
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I'm not afraid of death. I just don't want to be there when it happens
Woody Allen
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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I have no fear of death. As long as it comes quickly.
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