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TwistedCrank

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Released into general population, Idaho
Sep 22, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
Venus, huh? Didn't the entire surface recycle catastrophically? I don't see craters - it must have. There's no reason for it not to have.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 22, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
Seeing the Venus radar imagery (above) for the first time, you might notice a lot of roughly circular features at different scales, much like the ancient cratered surfaces of all other rocky planets and planetoids (except Earth). But on Venus these circular features look somehow distorted. Distorted by what? That line of inquiry, obvious though it might seem, is the path not taken, by mainstream Venusian planetology.

Instead, Venusian planetologists decided these distorted circles aren't craters from external bombardment, but much younger features from the planet's internal processes. That is: hotspots and plumes, but ones much more numerous, larger and circular than any ever imagined on Earth.

There are no Venusian plate tectonics, that much is clear. But there are things that must be volcanoes! Here's the best known image, drawn by NASA and shown wherever Venusian geology gets discussed.


Sure looks like Mt. Ranier, doesn’t it? That thing is Maat Mons, widely described as “the tallest volcano on Venus.” It rises about 5 km above the surrounding plains, and is more than 700 km across.

But wait, 5 x 700? That’s less than a 2% average slope. Fine print tells us this famous Maat Mons picture involves vertical exaggeration by a factor of 22.5. We can invert that to see something closer to real ... and no longer like any volcano!


Can we imagine lava flowing down that gentle slope, in a near-circular pattern, for 350 km in each direction from its summit? That is what the "volcano" theory requires.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 22, 2014 - 02:23pm PT
For comparison Hawaii, the largest volcano on Earth, rises about 8 km above its base and is 150 km across, more than a 10% average slope. Hawaii also has multiple craters, rift zones and a complex evolution over time completely unlike the nearly circular, single-caldera Venusian volcanoes. Moreover the location of many earthly volcanoes, such those comprising the Pacific Ring of Fire, clearly follow the outlines of plate tectonics.

Venusian volcanoes thus do not resemble their terrestrial counterparts even slightly in terms of their size, slopes, eruption history or locations. Nevertheless conventional wisdom is just sure they are volcanoes. How to explain their random distribution across the surface? Must be mantle plumes!

These large shields all look much like shield volcanoes on Earth. They are mostly covered by long, radial lava flows. They all have very gentle slopes. And most also have some form of central vent or summit caldera. Thus, we think that these shields formed from basalts, much like the shield volcanoes in Hawaii. The venusian shields, however, show a map pattern which is quite different from that seen on Earth (see reference map). Namely, the shields on Venus are widely scattered, and they show no linear volcano chains like those on Earth. This suggests that Venus does not have active plate tectonics, and also that most volcanism on Venus is related to mantle hotspots.


This could be an obvious thing to reach for if you assume earthly mantle plumes and hotspots are real. Even then, you need to ascribe to Venusian plumes or hotspots many strange qualities not remotely like those hypothesized for earthly counterparts, such as circular upwellings (or downwellings, since we're guessing) many hundreds of kilometers across, with a near-random geographic distribution. And most of the activity happening in a period of "catastrophic resurfacing" some time in the past, but then stopping.

On the other hand if you don't believe in earthly hotspots and mantle plumes, or see no resemblance to the things claimed for Venus, or just wonder why Venusian features need explanations that are unique in the known universe, instead of being variations of what we see on all the other rocky planets -- then the Venusian orthodox view makes no sense.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 22, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
I'll bring in more data tomorrow, quitting time today, but not to prolong the suspense:

The alternative theory is that all or most of those quasi-circular features on Venus, at many different scales, are ancient impact sites just as they are on all the other rocky planets. On Venus some of them look different because:

(1) impactors traveled first through a thick atmosphere that could pancake or break many of them up.

(2) many are submarine impacts smashed into long-ago oceans, or water-saturated ground. Outlines are partly smeared or covered by sediments deposited shortly after the impacts and in the billions of years since.

(3) These are not visible-light images but backscatter radar, and the apparent optical meaning is distorted. For example, brightness reflects roughness, not albedo, so dark plains are not rocky lava flows but fine sediments. Appearance is much changed by the incidence angle as well.

I'll come back with evidence from nadir radar altimetry, some visual analysis, and our few on-the-ground (Soviet) photos after the break. The visual analysis includes examples of all intermediate stages between the acknowledged "pristine" impact craters on Venus, and a menagerie of other features that conventional wisdom insists are endogenous.

Look again, see the modified craters? There are thousands of them.

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2014 - 05:16pm PT
So we have two planets Venus. One view is dominant by far not only in textbooks and websites from Wikipedia to NASA, but in hundreds of articles, the main journals, and of course the gatekeepers of peer review.

In simple terms this dominant view holds that Venus is geologically active and has a young surface showing a wide range of huge volcanic and plume-related features like nothing else in the solar system, many of them recording a "catastrophic resurfacing" event driven by unknown forces that ended about 500 million years ago.

A small minority of geoscientists, mostly outside the main journals, argues for an alternative view: the surface is not young but old, mostly 3.8 billion years or more, and most or all all of those strange circular features are not geology unique to Venus but just impact craters same as everywhere else, but on Venus also variably obscured due to submarine impacts, sedimentation and breakup of incoming projectiles in an atmosphere so dense its surface pressure corresponds to 1 km ocean depth on Earth.

I'll argue for the alternative. Here's a brief intro by one of its main proponents (emphasis added). The full paper (not paywalled) is here.

Venusian geologic literature is difficult for outsiders to follow. About 700 of the larger 1000 or so of the old structures that I regard as of impact origin are given mostly unfamiliar designations (the others are ignored): corona, ghost or stealth corona, nova, astra, patera, arachnoid, mons, and volcano, and, because distinctions are arbitrary within the continuum that encloses all of these, diverse “hybrid” combinations. Most of these terms were first applied to express ambiguity as to origins but all are now used with exclusively endogenic connotations. Conjectural endogenic origins are debated in hundreds of published papers (e.g., Herrick et al., 2005, Krassilnikov and Head, 2003, and Stofan and Smrekar, 2005), but none of these speculations account for either circularity or impact-like morphology. Conjectures often are accompanied by rationalizations of gravity and topography in terms of isostasy plus dynamic upwelling or downwelling. As Herrick et al. (2005, p. 11) noted of their own modeling of such conjectures, the assumptions on which it is based are “certainly debatable and largely unconstrained.” Abundance and distribution of the structures are obscured in the literature because a third or so of the visible large old circular structures, and nearly all of the several thousand small old ones, are left, unmentioned, in wastebasket terrains.
Hamilton, W.B., 2005, Plumeless Venus preserves an ancient impact-accretionary surface: Geol. Soc. America Spec. Paper 388, p. 781-814.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2014 - 05:43pm PT
Venus displays thousands of circular structures, typically rimmed depressions, with pristine to variably degraded or buried morphology of types expected for impact origins. The overwhelming consensus among Venusian specialists is that only the 1000 small pristine structures among these record impacts, all others being products of plumes and other hypothetical endogenic processes younger than 1 Ga. This consensus is based on a chain of questionable conjectures regarding planetary evolution, rather than on analysis of structures.

Well, let's take a look at some of that structure analysis, so you can make up your own mind. In the matched image pair below (from An Alternative Venus), the top image shows backscatter radar -- higher resolution but distorted compared with visible light. The lower image shows the same landscape by nadir radar altimetry -- low resolution but not distorted, similar to a topographic map. In that map what do you see? "Corona, ghost or stealth corona, nova, astra, patera, arachnoid, mons, and volcano" ... or just some partly buried craters?

Lorenzo

Trad climber
Oregon
Sep 23, 2014 - 05:48pm PT

I could eventually cite a new publication (currently in review) that uses the term "groupthink," after defining it for geologists.

Oh dear. I hope your author didn't redefine again.

It bad enough George Orwell used it as part of Newspeak and redefined William H. White's original. I can't keep it straight from DoubleThink.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2014 - 05:52pm PT
Nope, it's gonna be straight from Wikipedia, if it gets past the reviewers. That would be ...

Groupthink: A social-psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group, wherein the desire for harmony or conformity results in irrational decision making. Group members minimize conflict by avoiding critical evaluation of alternative viewpoints, by actively suppressing dissenting viewpoints, and by isolating themselves from outside influences. Dysfunctional dynamics of the "ingroup" produce an inflated certainty that the right decision has been made.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2014 - 08:18am PT
We could come back to the groupthink idea later, but first I'll show more of the evidence on Venusian ground. Upon close inspection, one after another of the supposed "Corona, ghost or stealth corona, nova, astra, patera, arachnoid, mons, volcano" (and hybrids thereof) features turn out to have impact constructions, variably covered by sediments. Here are a few more of the many examples in "Plumeless Venus preserves an ancient impact accretionary surface" (not paywalled).


Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2014 - 08:26am PT
Our few surface photos of Venus come from Soviet landers. These often show thinly layered, platy rocks that Russian scientists interpreted as wind-deposited sediments, consistent with the "alternative Venus" views above. Conventional American interpretations instead call these lava flows.

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2014 - 08:33am PT
A planet is covered in a wool blanket 50 miles thick moving at 300 miles an hour over it's surface, and you think features almost 4 billion years old would have survived that?

Many have survived, yes, but they show signs of erosion, deposition, and overlays by later craters -- the likelihood of which tends to increase with age, giving rise to that menagerie of weirdly named and arbitrarily distinguished feature types that are "found" nowhere else.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2014 - 08:37am PT
The age, however?

A continuum of increasing degradation, burial, and superposition connects the younger and truly pristine young impact structures with the most modified of the ancient structures. Younger craters of the ancient family are superimposed on older ones in impact-definitive cookie-cutter bites and are not deflected as required by endogenic conjectures. Four of the best-preserved of the pre-“pristine” circular structures are huge, with rimcrests 800–2000 km in diameter, and if indeed of impact origin, must have formed, by analogy with lunar dating, no later than 3.8 Ga. Much of the venusian plains is seen in topography to be saturated with overlapping 100–600 km circular structures, almost all of which are disregarded in conventional accounts. Several dozen larger ancient plains basins reach 2500 km in diameter, are themselves saturated with midsize impact structures, and may date back even to 4.4 Ga.
"Plumeless Venus preserves an ancient impact accretionary surface"
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2014 - 08:38am PT
I don't know, Chiloe.... given all of the weirdnesses in the solar system:

Oceans of liquid methane
CO2 ice caps
Sulfuric acid volcanoes
Ice-plate tectonics
Walnut-shaped moons
Brown Dwarfs
Rings
Braided Rings!
Giant permanent storms
An ocean 62 miles deep
A volcano 28 miles tall

....the "Venusian mud volcano" probably takes the cake!

In fact, something weirder lies ahead, but probably not for some months.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2014 - 08:42am PT
From the lander closeups, let's jump scale to a hemispheric view, highlighting one huge and strange feature on Venus. What is that thing?

"Plumeless Venus preserves an ancient impact accretionary surface"

This chain of very large young structures is unique on Venus. Superpositions show that the structures become progressively younger southwestward. Nearly simultaneous impacts of fragments of a giant bolide are inferred.

"An Alternative Venus"
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2014 - 09:15am PT
Plume-induced crustal convection 3D thermomechanical model and implications for the origin of novae and coronae on Venus

Hah, FM you're a modeler at heart. I'm following a guy who spent his life looking at rocks.


There have been attempts recently to revive the impact theory. Vita-Finzi et al. (2005) suggest that many coronae are old, degraded impact craters, noting that the combined crater and corona population fit a log-normal frequency distribution, similar to the crater population of other terrestrial bodies. Hamilton (2005) questiontions the transfer of terrestrial plume theory to Venus, thus favouring an ancient impact origin. If impacts are indeed responsible for coronae, the implications are significant: the surface of Venus could be significantly older than thought and dominated by sediments, rather than volcanism.

However, this origin is still not in favour, because it cannot account for the clustering of coronae in rift zones, which are likely to be some of the youngest areas on Venus (Price et al. 1996), nor does it account for the complexities seen at individual coronae (e.g. Copp et al. 1998)

The paper you cite, by Jurdy & Stoddard, is particularly interesting for reasons we'll reach soon.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2014 - 09:20am PT
Looks like the Plume Invasion has started!

I got no theories about the ice moons, hope they teem with luminescent squid like in The Europa Report.

But I will mention that NASA's Chief Scientist is a longtime Venusian plumologist.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2014 - 12:20pm PT
So how do you suppose, given the surface conditions mentioned by Fortmental, that these ancient impact sites are so well preserved, as compared to earth?

Your list is good but I might re-order a bit. Plate tectonics on Earth does a lot of recycling; none of the oceanic crust is older than about 200 Ma. Continents can get subducted too but less extensively. Water (and ice) erosion work tirelessly to level the continents, wearing uplifted mountain ranges down to their deep roots.

Venus perhaps had oceans once, long ago, and some landforms might reflect ancient shorelines (e.g., terracing within some craters). That water has been gone a long time, though. The surface is hot enough to melt lead, and the atmosphere retains only a tiny fraction of water vapor, about 1/200th as much as Earth. Venus also lacks plate tectonics and (contrary to plumological theory) extensive volcanism, so old impact craters get partly buried in sediment while their blurred outlines survive.

One diagnostic feature for impacts on Venus is the way in which younger craters "print over" older ones, like putting down a cookie cutter in succession. So you see circles overprinted by newer circles. Volcanoes can't do that. If a new one erupts, its lava does not march in a widening circle up the slopes of an older one nearby, and yet that is required for the orthodox claim that such features are volcanic.

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2014 - 01:06pm PT
Wild imagery, what's the source? The lower painting seems to have gone much higher than NASA's 22.5:1 vertical exaggeration I started out with. The Jurdy & Stoddard piece you cited might have hit 160:1, but they didn't have such a cool picture.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2014 - 01:12pm PT
Here's a harder data point, though: Venus has almost no magnetic field, suggesting little mantle convection and a mostly solid core. Compared with Earth it's a cold place, until you get close to the surface.

Limits on magnetic field strength from Magellan magnetometer data are 0.000015 times Earth's field. Current theories of the formation and evolution of the terrestrial planets do support an Earth scale magnetic dipole (magnetic field) on Venus for perhaps the first billion years or so after formation. During that time, remnant thermal energy from the heat of creation probably drove the Venusian dynamo. After this heat was fully dissipated, there appear to have been no other internal processes with which to generate the convective motion needed to support a global field. Today, the only magnetic field Venus may have comes from the interaction between Venus's upper atmosphere and the solar wind. The interaction causes electric currents to flow in the upper atmosphere which then create a weak magnetic field that streams behind the planet like a comet's tail.
http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/poetry/venus/V3.html
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2014 - 01:36pm PT
I think I found it, Sapas Mons: 1.5 km high by 400 km across, giving an average slope of less than 1 percent! Compare that with the painting you'll see why no volcano-believer wants to draw them to scale. Or more practically: picture in your mind how plausible it is that lava flowed down a 1% slope at 200 km in each direction, all in *one* eruption event (because the flows have similar age, much unlike Earthly volcanoes such as Hawaii).

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