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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 28, 2014 - 09:29pm PT
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I've been contemplating an earlier post today about the guy who wanted a lawyer to defend him for getting a ticket for an illegal camp fire.
How many f#@n no fire signs did you have to pass to feel it was OK to start a fire. We're in the middle of a drought. Have you seen the damage from the camp fire started Yosemite fire last year?
Pay the fine, I wish it was more than 375.00 or whatever. You don't need a lawyer you need to get a clue.
We have a volatile river canyon here in Nevada County and idiots continually ignore the no fire signs and have a camp fire on the Yuba. Our community is at risk every time an illegal camp fire is started. That steep river canyon would go up in flames in a day. Many of our neighbors would lose their homes and possibly lives. Please obey the no camp fire postings. Be a good neighbor.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Aug 28, 2014 - 11:02pm PT
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Once around the rim, Jim, and come on in,
Once around the back Jack, and up the crack,
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Aug 28, 2014 - 11:54pm PT
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Nice rant.
I live in a mountain community that nearly went down in flames last year, and everybody around here sweats bullets over the possibility of an idjut who decides they need to have a campfire under any kind of conditions.
Still, I have no idea what the circumstances were around the earlier post/author and their campfire. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt until I hear evidence to the contrary.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Aug 29, 2014 - 04:21am PT
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The recent French Fire was started by one. I am glad they have the restrictions, but some people could start a forest fire without the restrictions. The opposite is true too, most people with common sense can have a fire with no problems in the driest of years. It only takes one idiot.
Weston is not an idiot, though it might be hard to find a lawyer for less than $375.00. They can fine up to $10,000 for an illegal fire where I live.
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couchmaster
climber
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Aug 29, 2014 - 08:23am PT
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Mtnmun said: "I've been contemplating an earlier post today about the guy who wanted a lawyer to defend him for getting a ticket for an illegal camp fire.
How many f#@n no fire signs did you have to pass to feel it was OK to start a fire. We're in the middle of a drought. Have you seen the damage from the camp fire started Yosemite fire last year?
Pay the fine, I wish it was more than 375.00 or whatever. You don't need a lawyer you need to get a clue.
We have a volatile river canyon here in Nevada County and idiots continually ignore the no fire signs and have a camp fire on the Yuba. Our community is at risk every time an illegal camp fire is started. That steep river canyon would go up in flames in a day. Many of our neighbors would lose their homes and possibly lives. Please obey the no camp fire postings. Be a good neighbor. "
Yes, no one has any business ever making a judgement call without triplicate approval from an authority figure in advance. Key words NOBODY and EVER. All people are idiots and too stupid to ever be able to parse things out for themselves. Always ask permission first and never try to even bend a rule.
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couchmaster
climber
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Aug 29, 2014 - 08:32am PT
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So are you suggesting it would be OK to do if you don't get busted Locker?
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Aug 29, 2014 - 08:45am PT
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If you acquire a fire permit from a USFS field office once per year on the way to your favorite national forest, you'll know what the restriction are.
Unless you are in the middle of a rainstorm/snowstorm, fire is always a concern in California.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Aug 29, 2014 - 09:36am PT
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looks like there is boating on the feather again...
probably the Stan too...
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Aug 29, 2014 - 10:17am PT
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I also agree with the OP. You get caught lighting an illegal campfire...Pay yer dues. A lawyer!!??? Bwaaahaaahaaa!! Jeezus,get a clue.
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Aug 29, 2014 - 10:48am PT
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Most people who were introduced to camping via car camping associate any sort of camping with having a campfire, regardless of any scenario. It's an education thing, and a no brain thing of course.
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Gorgeous George
Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
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Aug 29, 2014 - 11:52am PT
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I'm an experienced criminal defense lawyer. If he needs my help, no problema, minimum fee to defend him is $1,000.00, unless we go to trial or I have to write a motion or appear more than once in court. $250 per hour after that, and that's my HOMEBOY fee.
BTW, travel costs and time is extra. Don't know where he faces court but I am limited to the State of California.
But of course, activist lawyers like me should waive our fee and fight for the guy based on the principle involved, am I right?
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Aug 29, 2014 - 11:57am PT
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ST is a barely legal campfire.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Aug 29, 2014 - 12:42pm PT
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Don't know the circumstances under which the dude got a ticket, though, with probably just about everyone on this site having been tooled before, we probably should reserve judgment until we know more facts. Some fire regs are odd. Near the Needles, you need a campfire permit before you can go ahead a start up a completely unnecessary and potentially hazardous campfire. Although I think they have exceptions if you're in a developed campground, where the occupants have a tendency to leave their campfires burning when they wander off to do something else. The system makes a lot of sense, huh? Must be some fine if he's willing to invest in a lawyer to fight it.
Personally, I think they should just ban them in dry years. We have a home in a mt. community near this campground. Apart from the fact that most of the campers like to have campfires burning even during the middle of the day, do not attend them, with all the combustible material just outside the campground boundary and one narrow, two lane road in and out of town, it's just an unjustifiable risk.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Aug 29, 2014 - 01:03pm PT
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hey there say, mtmun... oh my, was just checking out this thread of yours, as always, concerned about the fires, but wow:
as to this link, you share,
(shown again, below) whewwww:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/28/californias-drought-what-losing-63-million-gallons-of-water-looks-like/
thanks for sharing, locker, oh my... :O
seeing is worse than hearing, now, :(
when i saw my mom, of recent, saw one of the 'on sights' when
going over to santa cruz...
reservoir there, was down to bottom--had seen that once before, during
a past drought, when we were young adults...
here is a link, as well:
http://www.cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/resapp/getResGraphsMain.action
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Aug 29, 2014 - 01:30pm PT
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that headline should say "Trillion" gallons not millions. trillion = million million
Amazing how they reconfigure all the marinas.
I wish campfires were far more limited in many places. How's the campfire smog in the valley lately? In places like San Diego bay and Mission bay, the dozens of fire rings are about 8 feet x 8 feet squares. People love to throw 10 pallets on there at once and turn it into a spectacle show. Then they stand back about 20 feet since the temperature is already 72 and it's too hot to actually stand near the fire. If you go for a run or live downwind, you get to breathe the unfiltered pollution worse than a diesel freight train. Not to mention that over the years, despite the firering, so much ash and fallout lands on the sand that it is filthy.
How about wear a coat if you're cold, and use an LED campfire simulator?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Aug 29, 2014 - 01:34pm PT
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Must be some fine if he's willing to invest in a lawyer to fight it.
No, he said the fine was a few hundred bucks, and he seemed to more-or-less admit his guilt. (At least that's the way I read it, if I'm wrong about that, sorry, but big freaking deal.)
He was getting kind of mocked (nothing too bad that I saw) in kind of a:
are-you-serious, you-got-a-ticket-for-a-few-hundred-bucks-for-something-that-you-actually-did,-and-you're-talking-about-getting-a-lawyer way.
Then he deleted the thread, that's about it.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Aug 29, 2014 - 05:36pm PT
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It isn't just the illegal campfire geeks, it's the property owners that like to "burn their weeds."
We lived adjacent to a couple of those folks for 15 years, before they finally got old and moved to a nearby town. I would beg them to let me know when they were having a burn day, and they would wait until we were gone, before having a burn day on their 26, mostly irrigated, acres.
On several occasions we were home, and called the local rural fire department, and wetted down our perimeter, as the flames grew near.
Somehow, it seemed like they always choose a windy day to burn.
They've been gone for 8 years, but still own the property. This spring, the pyromaniac elderly woman came back with her grandchildren, and on a windy spring day, decided to "burn some weeds."
Luckily the wind blew the fire away from us, but 5 rural fire departments were called, and about 25 acres burned before the fire was under control.
From this photo I took, it appears that one of the grandchildren was ready to leave when the fire took off.
The local fire department was somewhat pissed-off, but there were no fines, although I understand that the adjacent woodland property owner is sueing for damages.
Here's the link to my original thread on the fire: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2372322&msg=2372322#msg2372322
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Aug 29, 2014 - 06:19pm PT
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shit ass illegal campfire..judge told me i had a fire in his backyard
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