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WBraun
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Sep 25, 2014 - 09:31pm PT
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You call that religion because you don't know what religion truely really is.
That's a bunch of morons using religion as an excuse to do bullsh!t.
Americans are stupid and have no clue.
Because they're stupid they throw violence against violence.
Americans fight fire with fire.
Stupid clueless Americans .....
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crankster
Trad climber
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Sep 25, 2014 - 10:14pm PT
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Frank Rich on the fog of war...
In truth, we already have boots on the ground in the form of “special forces” and “advisers.” The moment they start returning to America in body bags, or are seen being slaughtered in ISIS videos, is the moment when the recent polling uptick in support for this war will evaporate. That support is an inch deep, and Congress knows it, which is why members of both parties fled Washington for the campaign trail last week rather than debate Obama’s war plan. As Paul Kane of The Washington Post pointed out, the Senate could not even fill up the scant allotted time (five hours) for debating the war, and “so at one point a senator devoted time to praising the Baltimore Orioles for their successful baseball season.” Next to this abdication of duty, Congress’s disastrous rush to authorize war in Iraq in 2002 looks like a wise and deliberate execution of checks-and-balances.
Almost everything that is happening now suggests this will end badly. We’ve failed to curb ISIS in Iraq because, for all the happy talk about its inclusive new government, Sunni Iraqis have yet to rally behind their new Shiite prime minister Haider al-Abadi any more enthusiastically than they did behind the despised Nouri al-Maliki. As for our expansion into Syria, even if we can find and train 5,000 Syrian “moderates” to fight the Islamic State, it will take a year to do so, according to our own government’s no doubt optimistic estimate. And they’ll still be outnumbered by ISIS forces by at least four-to-one. Nor do we know all the unintended consequences that will multiply throughout the region — as they have in every other American intervention in the Muslim world — with each passing month.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 26, 2014 - 08:17am PT
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For the life of me, I can't see any real differences between Islam, Christianity and Judaisim.
All three are:
monotheistic
faith rather than reason based
and all three have:
used torture, murder and genocide
The main difference seems to be in their distribution.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Sep 26, 2014 - 10:13am PT
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Blogophiliac's disease
or a daily diet of FOX. (fkd up, obscure, exagerated)
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 26, 2014 - 10:53am PT
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And of course there's a connection between a militarized group in Syria and some disgruntled ex-employee mental case killing someone at his workplace in Oklahoma
Just the religion of peas.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Sep 26, 2014 - 11:53am PT
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Crazy is crazy - whether its a Christian who murders a doctor or this guy.
We don't behead people in our society. We shoot, hang, or lethally inject them. We put them in solitary confinement for 40 years. We put more of them in prison per capita than any other nation in the history of man.
We have a lot of work to do here at home in the humanity department.
A lot of work.
We've been at war for 10 years in two countries. We spent an entire decade bombing Iraq prior to that. And a decade bombing Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia before that.
How many innocent people have we beheaded, dismembered, or burned to death with bombs?
A lot.
Wanna start improving humanity?
Look in the mirror and start at home. This is the place you can actually do something about.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 26, 2014 - 11:56am PT
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+1 Tvash
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 26, 2014 - 11:59am PT
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Look in the mirror and start at home
I'll be having an audience with the Pope in a month. I'll pass on your advice.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Sep 26, 2014 - 12:01pm PT
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You might also pass on a request to Il Papa to end the institutionalized child rape gulag he's in charge of.
And treat women equality (welcoming them into the priesthood would be a nice gesture, providing a full range of family planning services as required by law in Catholic hospitals would be another)
And stop persecuting homosexuals.
TIA.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 26, 2014 - 12:05pm PT
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The Brits are in.
British Prime Minister David Cameron told Parliament Friday of the likely length of the mission ahead of what turned out to be an overwhelming vote to send UK air power into the fight.
But, he said, what choice does the country have when faced with a well-funded, highly organized force known for virtually unmatched cruelty?
"Beheadings, crucifixions, the gouging out of eyes, the use of rape as a weapon, the slaughter of children. All these things belong to the Dark Ages," Cameron told British lawmakers.
"Left unchecked, we will face a terrorist caliphate on the shores of the Mediterranean and bordering a NATO member, with a declared and proven determination to attack our country and our people," he said.
The same message came from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Washington: "This is going to be a persistent and sustained campaign, and it will take time," Gen. Martin Dempsey said Friday at a Pentagon briefing.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Sep 26, 2014 - 12:30pm PT
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Reilly...Are you part of the LA archdiocese class action lawsuit..? You can always toss the Priest costume and go strait...rj
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 26, 2014 - 12:33pm PT
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RJ, how can I say no to my gud friend Father Sarducci?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Sep 26, 2014 - 12:37pm PT
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What seems to be lost in all the Fly Into the Danger Zone circle jerks here is that the US spent 6 TRILLION dollars fighting 3 wars, each lasting 10 years -
and lost all of them. Worse, it destabilized whole regions in doing so.
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son of stan
Boulder climber
San Jose CA
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Sep 26, 2014 - 12:43pm PT
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Survival Rule 101. When in areas that have muslims who have sympathies
for ISIS, carry a bigger knife.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Sep 26, 2014 - 12:50pm PT
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The Brits are in.
I love the brits. Thank goodness they're a part of our world! :)
(and have another one, Kate!)
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 26, 2014 - 01:05pm PT
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I can't see any real differences between Islam, Christianity and Judaism
Other than that Christians pretty much quit killing each other for purely religious reasons clear back in 1645 with signing of the peace of Westphalia, and the Jews quit clear back around 1000 BC
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Sep 26, 2014 - 01:31pm PT
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He-llooooo Civil War!
People have never killed each other for 'purely religious reasons'
That idea is the refuge of the stupid.
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Rock!...oopsie.
Trad climber
the pitch above you
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Sep 26, 2014 - 02:17pm PT
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Ron,
That's sooooo last page. Raised and dismissed. Move along.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Sep 26, 2014 - 02:22pm PT
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Let the Kurds mop up ISIS southward to Baghdad - where the Iraqi Army can hold the line (for a change).
Then support the full sovereign independence for the Kurdish territory in exchange.
Require significant ground troops from local nations to mop up ISIS in Syria in exchange for air support. No troops, no support.
It's a local problem - let the locals put some skin in the game for a change.
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