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High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 23, 2014 - 08:52am PT

"If you can believe it, I'm hearing from people who think ISIS has nothing to do with Islam (because Scott Atran says so)."

Sam Harris, tweet
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 23, 2014 - 08:58am PT
Hell may not be coming for ISIS except in isolated instances as Obama does not seem to
want to, at least publicly now, commit to a major confrontation with them. This is partly because a major escalation could or, at least be seen to, benefit Assad.
There just ain't no free lunch.

It turns out they are likely holding four other Americans.
Steve Rathbun

climber
Outer Lurkistan
Aug 23, 2014 - 09:16am PT
Kill them all THERE before they get here. We DO have a wide-open southern border. It's not hard to get into this country.

interesting, I keep hearing this from my Christian friends.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 23, 2014 - 09:44am PT
If there was a magic vaporizer gun, where one could pull a trigger, and poof!, all the identified ISISers would disappear without collateral damage, then do it, pull the trigger. These people are evil mother f*#kers. But we don't have that. So how should we kill them all without making problems worse?

On the other hand, I also understand the skepticism and reluctance to engage in another damned fool adventure in the middle east. Our track record is lousy.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 23, 2014 - 09:46am PT
I remember that "Isis" TV show from the 70s. That Isis actress was smokin' hot!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 23, 2014 - 10:00am PT
It's just a mess, isn't it dirtbag? in the end even pitting lib against lib, a-theist against a-theist, anti-theist against anti-theist, climber against climber. And making strange bedfellows, too.

Speaking of such, now it looks like US will be teaming up with Assad Syria.

In the meantime, we can remember Ken M from the good old days...
How Doctors Die

http://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2011/11/30/how-doctors-die/ideas/nexus/
dirtbag

climber
Aug 23, 2014 - 10:17am PT
It is a mess. And we need to have a serious discussion, because I'm afraid this one will be difficult to ignore.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Aug 23, 2014 - 11:06am PT
Didn't anyone watch Laurence of Arabia ?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 23, 2014 - 12:02pm PT
HFCS, in your video on young muslims, I was more struck by the difference between male and females.

Of course, in most concepts of a caliphate, the males are the masters, and the females are the slaves, and they all know that.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 23, 2014 - 12:30pm PT
It isn't about religion (else, how to explain the mass murders of those famous religious adherents Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, et al.). It is simply the manifestation of moral bankruptcy.

A belief that a lawless group has the right to murder, plunder or otherwise abuse anyone else is simply and profoundly evil, regardless of whether it's cloaked in religion, ideology, anti-racism or any other excuse. The idea that a lawful government can do the same is equally despicable. We can argue over what the United States has the power and the duty to do regarding a well-dsiciplined but immorally violent group like ISIS, but trying to assess blame anywhere but the perpetrators demonstrates a most distressing abdication of responsibility to deal with it.

John, you beat me to the punch.

I so agree. We have similar genocides in the last century that either we or our parents remember---Cambodia, that killed 1/4 of the population of the country, and Soviet Union, that killed millions upon millions. And those two did not involve religious people.

Religion is not the common denominator in this. In fact, it may be a cleverly concocted "cover story"---just like UBL created when he sent 18 Saudis in airplanes to attack the US, hoping we would retaliate against Saudi Arabia.

You actually wonder if what is hoped for is a widespread attack by the west on Islam, FORCING all muslims in the world to move towards ISIS, like all jews in the world moved toward Israel. It would be a clever strategy to manipulate all the westerners in this way......
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 23, 2014 - 12:36pm PT
It is also easy to forget that many, I'd say most, muslims are peaceful people. And that in the areas where ISIS is located, those peaceful people are being eradicated.

It is the nature of things that when a violent, aggressive power runs up against a peaceful, passive power, the latter tends to suffer mightily. Right now, it is largely muslims that are suffering from encounters with ISIS.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Aug 23, 2014 - 06:27pm PT
Is this thread gonna disappear like the last one?

Yo ISIS, guess what? Hell is coming for you from the wings of the greatest Air Force and Navy pilots in the world.

That's worked so well in the past, right? In fact, the only beneficiaries are the "defense" industries.

The arms we left, are now being used by the Islamic State. They captured 52 155mm howitzers. Ever see one in action?

I think Baghdad is going down. Eventually, someone will slip them AA rockets and we'll lose some planes. We'll need to evacuate our wasted Billion Dollar Embassy. All the Shia need to do, will convert. Here's a clue.

scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Aug 23, 2014 - 06:32pm PT
So what's the dealio ?

What oh what do we dooooooooooo about ISIS ?
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Aug 23, 2014 - 07:12pm PT
There are many, who view the Sadaam Hussein days, with nostalgia. The Islamic State, will stabilize the region, eventually. It's the kind of harsh administration, required in the Islamic World.

Bear in mind, the people living in Northern Iraq, let us twist in the wind for ten years. There has to be a downside for failure to support our efforts to make them a viable country. They can enjoy the benefits of Sharia Law.

The State is different than other terrorist groups, they have administration skills.

What we do need to do though, is destroy all our stuff they captured. I think Iran can "contain" them to the East. Eventually, they will be on the Israeli border.

The danger for us, is when they operate in Turkey. That's a NATO ally.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 23, 2014 - 07:21pm PT
John, D, there is danger in this for us.

I believe it is to attack all muslims, everywhere. Remember that they DO have nukes (Pakistan). Turning those relative moderates into our enemies is probably not the right strategy....or any other moderates.

Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 23, 2014 - 07:24pm PT
My Gawd does NO ONE remember the "NUKE A GAY WHALE UNTIL IT GLOWS" campaign?

So we have a President who has mentally checked out of his job.

So we have a bunch of armed loonies running around in sand dunes.

So we have a Talking Duck with smoke blowing out its ass.

Come one peeps - this is just another in a long line of pseudo-crises concocted by "Involved Parties" to get us to justify spending BILLIONS more fake dollars to DEFEND THE FREE WORLD (patent pending).

So this prick got Chopped - ever watch Game of Thrones?

This is America.

We LIVE for this sh#t.

Just dump some ICE WATER on somebody and write a check and get over it because next week some OTHER CRISES will be the tweetoftheday.

WBraun

climber
Aug 23, 2014 - 07:28pm PT
Ricky D -- "We LIVE for this sh#t."

Nope .... I sure don't.

Only stupid Americans like you do ......
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 23, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
Hessian F*#khead.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Aug 23, 2014 - 07:42pm PT
I don't think 10% of the overweight slugs I see sporting a US Military Uniform, could've kept up with one of my AIT "Speed Marches". I'm starting to have a greater appreciation for the 2d amendment, when the millions of Muslims here start going apesh#t.

I do believe that Turkey is their number one priority. They need it, as a gateway for the thousands of recruits they have pouring in from all over the world.



Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Aug 23, 2014 - 08:00pm PT
Don't get bent Chief - but since I live surrounded by SandBoxVets I can attest that these ESCAPEESFROMKANSASTRAILERPARKS have been turned into jackedupspeedfreaks by your beloved Military.

Better living through chemistry and all that jazz.
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