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fear
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hartford, ct
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We, or rather our government, helped create, train, equip, and fund ISIS initially to overthrow Assad.. How is that not clear? We can now use them to destabilize and destroy Syria and then Iran, installing our own evil sock puppets as we go. Spark a war amongst Sunni's against Shiites.
Ask yourselves if ISIS really were devout muslims waging jihad against the infidels why would they not be plotting against nearby Israel and the murder of other muslims taking place right now across Gaza? That's in their backyard.
This isn't a new playbook although the level of sociopathic behavior is somewhat off the charts. We've created proxy armies before. As a bonus we can use ISIS to terrify the American sheeple. Maybe even another massive false flag attack or two on our soil.
The real enemies to the good people of the USA, and the world for that matter are not abroad.
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WBraun
climber
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Fear gets it.
Kos just plain doesn't .....
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Religions are not the problem.
Sociopaths expanding and exploiting divisions created by those differing religions are. Most people however do not ask "Cui Bono" when seeing coordinated, expansive (and expensive) violence crop up like ISIS. The easy explanation is what MSM is feeding us and to a large degree what the history books have lied to us about.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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This bullshet riff between Shia and Sunni's has been going on throughout that region since their dumbass *religion got established
It really dates back to a family squabble over who would control the franchise and booty that happened immediately after the founders death.
Religions are not the problem.
Sociopaths expanding and exploiting divisions created by those differing religions are.
That would be true if we weren't talking about a religion (cult) founded by a sociopath.
(there have been more than a few of those.)
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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What founded a religion 2000 years ago has no bearing on how the "believers" today view their imaginary friend(s). All religions are cults likely founded by people long ago to benefit themselves. Similiar exploitation throughout the subsequent decades and centuries results in a set of beliefs probably unrecognizable to the original creator.
Most people, regardless of race or color or religion, are good and want the same things. Unfortunately there are few critical thinkers in any society and rifts in beliefs, or skin color, or geography are easy to magnify and exploit. Throw in a healthy % of sociopaths to organize and work the killing machinations and you have otherwise good people now killing other good people for the sake of make believe bullshit covering for the crimes of the oligarchs.
Same as it ever was. The only difference now is the Internet. Perhaps more people will now wake up. Perhaps less blood can be shed.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Those ISIS death mongers have trained themselves over the past 1500 years.
Which means these really, really old guys are tottering at us on their walkers.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Same as it ever was. The only difference now is the Internet. Perhaps more people will now wake up. Perhaps less blood can be shed.
Great evils come and go. Their lifespans seem to be shorter the more light shed on them. Sad so many suffer even during a short time they exist.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Pure propaganda to get the American public to support MOAR WOAR.....
The domination of the US dollar is at an end and WOAR is needed badly. Just wait for the "ISIS" attack on something stateside.
I need to watch Wag the Dog again...
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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ISIS is not doing what it's doing for the good of the American dollar, I promise.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Another us journalist was just beheaded.
What to do...
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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"Truth is the vast majority of Americans don't give a damn about ISIS, muslim on muslim violence, wars in the middle east, beheading journalists, enslaving women and kids.... none of that."
Who's truth would that be? Not one supported by data, apparently:
http://politics.suntimes.com/article/washington/most-americans-worry-about-obamas-lack-strategy-isis/tue-09022014-1236pm
Perhaps, just perhaps, the failed American invasion of occupation that gave birth to ISIS makes Americans somewhat circumspect about how our country should counter that threat. I think that's called being smart.
Just a thought.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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DD 214 (got one) or no - I wasn't aware one needed to have served in the military to be concerned about or support action against ISIS.
ISIS cut a couple of journalist's heads off, and that sucks - particularly if you're one of the two - but that was designed to get folks to freak the f*#k out, and boy, did it work!
Is ISIS THAT much of a threat, though? Not really. They're good at leaking into a power vacuum, like Mosul and Tikrit (originally Sunni anyway - they're just restoring the status quo there), but elsewhere? Nah. They got their asses kicked out of Jordan, where they began. The local Al Qaeda franchises largely booted them from Syria. Nobody likes an out-of-towner swaggering in and telling the locals what's what.
Will ISIS take Baghdad? Probably not. They actually suck at coordinating fighting against an enemy that doesn't actually slip out voluntarily - with the exception of about 1000 Chechen fighters, who really are bad-asses.
Will they squirt north? Nope. The Kurds would mop the floor with them, and they know it. What they have done is partition Iraq in a way that was pretty much inevitable after Bush destabilized the joint in 2003 - SU-NNI! SU-NNI! SU-NNI! and that's where it will stall. So far, it's been all getting their asses kicked or scraping up low hanging dates with them.
But hey, feel free to freak the f*#k out and demand the US do something truly, abysmally stupid (UH-gain) because of those two beheadings.
By all means, be the audience a few Jihadist performance artists want you to be.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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No, it's all about keeping your thinking cap on and not running over the cliff with all the other lemmings.
With you, however, it does, in fact, seem to be all about me ;)
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Binks
climber
Uranus
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i don't care who killed who in the middle east
or in Israel.
and i don't want to pay a single dime for us defense corporations to kill people in mud huts with million dollar planes and missiles. sorry no. i don't care.
i vote no. clean up our own country. stop crime here. stop robbing the people and destroying the land HERE.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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the failed American invasion of occupation that gave birth to ISIS
just a wee-bit simplistic. /sarc
My sense is, you think you know more, a lot more, about ISIS and what makes them tick than you do. In this regard, you're no more helpful than The Chief on the climate thread. :(
There are as many crazies on the far left as there are crazies on the right. NO where is this clearer than what they have to say regarding Islam, partic re jihadi Islam and fundamentalist Islam.
Opinions of every stripe. On the left. On the right. It's not unlike what Seven said: "You lack harmony, cohesion. It will be your undoing."
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Binks
climber
Uranus
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nobody cares.
in another week, nobody will even remember.
the media is owned by a few large corporations.
over 100 people got shot in Chicago on the 4th, but that really wasn't big news.
nobody i know even talks about the major news corporation headlines.
it makes ZERO difference to daily life, and it's all fabricated to suit a political agenda one way or another
sorry "news" corporations, Al Qaeda at least sounded vaguely threatening.
ISIS crisis, whoo hoo!
next year it will be what ?
it's a constant crisis!!! it never ends! lol. and if I'd never once paid attention, my life wouldn't be any different one way or another. sorry, no, i don't feel any panic whatsoever. fail.
there's millions of people living in shanty towns, it's not a crisis. what's a crisis anyway?
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WBraun
climber
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Oh c'mon guys ....
Lets get together a grab one of them (ISIS) dudes, preferably their stupid leader.
We'll cut his head off on TV for them to see.
Then we'll take his head and put it in a shopping cart and go shopping with it in Wall Mart (the epitome of capitalism) all on TV for them to see.
That will piss em off ......
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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They'll care after a nuclear bomb detonates in a big US city. And this is my judgment (knowing about Abrahamic fundamentalism and what it means), not Faux News. You think 9-11 was a disruption to our economy and way of life, that'll be quickly forgotten. Till though, we're alarmists.
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Alright, this is getting to be too much.
Neither of these videos, from what I hear, shows the whole beheading the whole way through, without cuts.
There have been other videos of behadings, I think the other one I saw was linked up on supertopo, that show the whole gory business, all the way through, so there can be no mistake. This sh!t is BS!
Have you noticed the verbage used by the mainstream media: "Video shows the apparent beheading"; "Video purportedly shows the beheading . . . "
In other words we have no proof!!!!!!
Oh, I'm sorry, did they deliver Folley's body, so we can verify.
Yeah right
Where are all the debunkers, now???
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