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Boulder climber
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Werner, you're so smart living off the "Man" ... Don't give him grief - he has to clean up after the horses/ mules in the NPS stables, and feed the detainees in the LEO jail every day for the privilege of living in a metal storage container provided by "the man".
He only rescues idiots in his spare time, for the pure f*#k of it.
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WBraun
climber
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Every single living entity on the whole planet lives off the man ......
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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This all goes back to Fatty's Clash of Civilizations threads that he, I, and others were derided for.
The worst atrocities occur in the Central portions of Africa. Central African Republic, Congo, Nigeria, Mali, etc...
Look at the maps of the slaughter;
https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zOLXrofb8vss.knNUre6wk3Hc&authuser=0&hl=en
The map is mine own and all links are clickable with links attached for details. Yellow is terrorism, blue is counter-assault, red/purple thumbtacks are US drone-strikes. (This is just Africa, I have others for Yemen, Pakistan, Iran/Iraq, and The Irsael/Syria/Lebabnon front. And the Russian/Caucasus front).
They now occur on new fronts in Libya and Syria and Iraq as a result of inattention to a robust, prolonged support for helping those countries destabilize radicalism.
We left them helpless after we stirred up the 'nest'.
As for ISIS, they are no less ruthless. They execute civilians, even Muslims, on sight and conduct atrocities that I would not even post here.
Over 150 men, WOMEN, and CHILDREN executed by ISIS for being in the wrong tribe that did not support them.
http://www.arabnews.com/middle-east/news/654191
Shot dead, on sight.
I'm a chicken-hawk for saying that we should support Iraqis in quelling this thing? So be it.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Did they wrap him in bacon first?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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No one gave a moment's notice other than lip service about the 10 years civil war in the various Balkan states. Many intramural scores ethnic and religious were settle through mass killings. There was no petroleum (why you care) involved, so it was ignored until Clinton did the rare thing by acting to stop a war that had no self interest at stake for the USA.
The Bosnian conflict was indeed an ethnic war, the Serbs defending against terrorist attacks from "ethnic" Albanians. Why did they call them "ethnic" Albanians? What was their ethnicity? You know the answer.
Why was the conflict important to us? The same reason the Ukrainian conflict is being fought. Oil and natural gas pipelines to Europe. It wasn't our interest really but the gloablists, and Bill was all on board with that with that hag Madelaine Albright.
Does this sound familiar currently if you disregard the true prize which is the natural resource ?
We don't need anybody's oil/gas anymore. What are you trying to say?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Look, the current Mid-East crisis (Afghan theater is different, more Persian), was under relative control when Bush left.
Sure, Iraq was stable with a contingent of about 20,000 troops and airfield support to back up the blossoming Iraqi army. The crazies did quite little in Iraq.
Eqypt was in a talking relationship with Israel and even helping Israelis defend the Sinai border from smuggling and extremists, and tunnel-digging.
The Libyans gave up their weapons program and warned the US to not destabilize the gov't for risk of militias taking over that Ghaddafi had controlled.
Syria was always a pain in the ass to Israel but knew their boundaries, that they'd get their asses kicked if they did overt attacks on Israel.
So what happened? Let me ask you what you think happened, because I KNOW what happened. I follow this stuff closely.
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WBraun
climber
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We don't need anybody's oil/gas anymore. What are you trying to say?
There's only one guy that makes oil.
Actually there's only guy that makes everything in the whole cosmic manifestation.
If you don't want his stuff anymore you'll be dead in an instant ......
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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So it's now into overtime with the resource again up for grabs. Use your head, not your emotions.
I think you're confused that I have no emotion for the innocent. The ISIS executions cannot stand.
We have to ask ourselves if we'll be the ones to halt it. Do we have the will?
Or maybe just let it go, not our problem?
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Depends where you look. I saw a good NYT analysis of the current situation. Militarily, they're basically stalled. They can hold onto the Sunni areas of Syria and Iraq, but their forward progress elsewhere is slow.
I think the real legacy of ISIS, is gonna be to drastically elevate the level of tolerance to the unthinkable. Having grown up in the "Never Again" generation, suddenly, genocide, mass executions, abduction and sale of hundreds of women and girls, isn't even news.
Even the forced exodus of the Myanmar Muslims, which normally would have the UN up in arms, is a yawner. Not a good time to be Islamic.
http://www.arabnews.com/featured/news/655896
HLUT, Myanmar: The small wooden boats leave the shores of western Myanmar nearly every day, overloaded with desperate Rohingya Muslims who are part of one the largest boat exoduses in Asia since the Vietnam War.
Helping them on their way: Myanmar’s own security forces, who are profiting off the mass departure of one of the world’s most persecuted minorities by extracting payments from those fleeing
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crankster
Trad climber
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Yeah, and the ebola epidemic Cross that off the Republican wish list.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Ya know, a month in Italy and I never once saw or heard jack about ISIS?
Granted, I had better things to do most of the time but apparently those
Eyetalians do too.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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What shall we all freak out about next?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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I think we should be involved in this ISIS thing, but not deposing Assad. Where is the UN on all this also? Proves their futility.
For the sake of innocents getting executed in Iraq/Syria, we should be involved. ISIS is no threat to the US immediately, but don't we have a moral duty to help out?
We are the best suited to do this. At least until the Iraqis get their sh#t in order...Pulling our troops out was a bad idea.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Heard an interview with the head of Blackwater on the Dennis Miller Show today.
Blackwater has a very bad rap. They do jobs that the US gov't cannot do, and they are staffed by very disciplined, professional SEALs and retired spec ops guys. These guys are like a private elite unit, with years of combat experience.
The Iraqis and Syrians should hire Blackwater to deal with some problems. Sending gov't troops gets messy politically.
Blackwater is very well armed, trained, and has over 70 support aircraft.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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When did Pennis Miller stop being funny? After his knees started knocking post 911?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Better yet, the Iraqis should hire the IDF, they're very cost effective.
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