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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 13, 2014 - 05:53pm PT
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I suppose the other alternative is another military build up in iraq by the US but what's that going to do to our economy..?
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Binks
climber
Uranus
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Oct 13, 2014 - 05:58pm PT
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I don't care what they do over there. I don't want to spend a dime for it or have a single soldier involved.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 13, 2014 - 06:09pm PT
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Sure he wanted them to stay there, he also wanted a billion dollars
That was his opinion, he just omits that it was Bush's SOFA
so it wasn't Obama's fault that the troops are gone
why?
Money, they filter out the good things about Obama
It was the Military Leaders that would not agree to keep troops in Iraq after 2011
google that.
You google it. Have fun. Everybody wanted to keep troops there except Obama. Yeah, Bush's SOFA expired in 2011, but against their will, Obama defied his generals to not extend it.
McCain wanted to keep troops in Iraq for 100 years....
I wonder how much that would cost?
Cost? Not that much compared to dropping SAT-guided missiles everyday. We still have troops in Germany and Japan BTW...maybe ole' John is not too far off.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 13, 2014 - 06:41pm PT
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ISIS attack strategy is similar to the German blitkreig...Artillery , suicice bombers , followed by infantry...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 13, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
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RJ, the unique difference is the suicide bombers and the abuse of civilians.
The Nazis were very careful to hide their atrocities. ISIS publishes them proudly.
This is why they need to be dealt with accordingly. No f*#king mercy.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 13, 2014 - 07:01pm PT
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That's true, as long as you don't place any value on the lives of our troops.
So, yeah - it's true in your world.
That's not what I said. Exactlty..
We should have left dudes at Baghram, 15 large!
Now? It's too hard to tell without the right intel. It's f*#ked.
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Oct 13, 2014 - 07:02pm PT
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Let the Middle Eastern countries do it, starting primarily with Saudi Arabia. They've got so much money, they wipe their asses with cash. Have them and other ME nations hire some mercenaries who want to be there to fight. No more poor American men and women being sent in, in a vain attempt to stabilize an inherently unstable region. That's bull$hit, ancient foreign policy and I don't support it.
The US can provide intelligence and very limited special forces support, but no full blown ground invasion or anything close to it.
Part of (insert Islamic terrorist organization of the month here)'s strategy is and always will be to keep the US involved. Putting boots on the ground is exactly what they want. They seem them only as live targets. We're out, we need to stay the hell out.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 13, 2014 - 07:07pm PT
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I don't disagree, Berg.....
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Oct 13, 2014 - 07:13pm PT
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Because,secretly, they approve of the islamic state and hope to do business with them once they're established. They love lopping off heads just as much as IS does.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 13, 2014 - 07:52pm PT
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Y'all are bagging on Saudi Arabia? They might spend a lot but it is mostly on toys.
The Turks are yer boys for this job cause they can put boots on the ground and at one
time they did know how to fight. They're probably too pussified now that they aren't all
starving.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Oct 13, 2014 - 07:59pm PT
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Obama was elected on the promise to end the war in Iraq and bring the troops home. The American public had spoken.
Paneta is wrong. He thinks the prez is too cautious. I'm glad he's cautious.
Bush wasn't.
Cheney wasn't.
Rumsfeldt wasn't.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Oct 13, 2014 - 09:03pm PT
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It's not like we left Iraq high and dry, we left them with a heavily armed trained force. It's not our fault they chose to abandon the fight.
I think we shouldn't have gotten sucked into this mess again and let the chips fall where they may. Let Allah sort it out. Our being there just gives them more reasons to hate us.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Oct 13, 2014 - 09:30pm PT
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Face it, this is mostly a political problem and mostly out of our control.
"All he had to do" is the statement of a complete fool.
"We go kill everyone" is the statment of a complete lunatic.
What johnboy says make sense.
And this by the dr.
The Military Leaders did want to keep troops in Iraq after 2011 because the SOFA would not grant them immunity.
Since they would not immunity from any criminal actions, the Generals had NO CHOICE EXCEPT to Want to take the troops out.
NO one cares about some dumb asses opinion if they SHOULD have left in troops or not.
the military leaders agreed that they had to take the troops out considering the circumstances of the agreement BUSH SIGNED.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 13, 2014 - 10:00pm PT
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IRS/CIA swiss BANKS Fund ISIL and the U.N
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Oct 14, 2014 - 09:02am PT
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Yeah, it's all just a pretend CIA game. You wouldn't be barking this crap if you had to face these f*#king cavemen.
You'd be begging for Marines and Army Rangers and Air Force bombers...
40 nation coalition sitting on their hands while these animals play their caliphate game.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/12/world/meast/isis-justification-slavery/index.html?hpt=wo_c2
Real soldiers, with a real government and a real nation behind them.
For all its many faults, I believe in the United States of America.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 14, 2014 - 09:32am PT
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40 nation coalition sitting on their hands while these animals play their caliphate game.
I told you the US, Israel, Britain is supporting them along with the rest.
If they weren't supporting them then the rest would do something.
You're watching CNN which is the main media outlet of the CIA (Criminals In Action).
They consistently put up sh!t like this to keep you distracted.
You're falling for the psyops.
You just don't get it .......
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Oct 14, 2014 - 09:54am PT
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While you stand on the corner waving your conspiracy sign and shitting in your other hand, I'll stand with the men pictured above.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 14, 2014 - 10:02am PT
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It's got nothing to do with those men in your photo Bruce.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Oct 14, 2014 - 10:11am PT
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the chief, you need f*#king therapy. Better yet, a padded cell.
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