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Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 2, 2014 - 08:42am PT
That caloric restriction article REALLY jumps the shark quite a bit. Caloric restriction hasn't been adequately tested in humans, and has been tested in only a few other species, with mixed results.

There are some serious negative results if the human self-experimenter gets it wrong - including getting dumber, triggering eating disorders, and depression.

As for the health benefits of fasting, what meager experimental data we have is even less compelling.

On an anecdotal basis, my geneticist friend fasts once a week for a day to keep his gout in check - and he claims that helps considerably. He wouldn't fast if he didn't suffer from gout, however.

Tracking calories taken in and burned, and nutrients with a cell phone app is very useful for a while to learn the ropes, but once habits are in place (food choices, portion sizes, exercise plan), such an app should no longer be necessary.

My philosophy of eating is - research and develop good food buying (if it's not in the house, you won't eat it) and eating habits. Whole foods, colorful meals, lots of growing things, portion control, minimal processed foods.

And GBOMBS: (greens, beans, onions, mushrooms, berries, seeds (incl. nuts).

Oh, and give up alcohol if you're fat. Duh.

People who struggle with weight gain are often prone to develop weird, unsustainable habits and fad diets, and lets face it, fasting is one of those until we know a lot more about it (scientifically speaking, of course). Many focus on diet alone - and avoid exercise. That's always a mistake.

The less a person focuses on diet and exercise - ie, the more healthy habits become a normal routine, the more likely they'll be able to maintain a healthy weight. I'm really not sure fasting for people not afflicted with something unusual, like gout, is much of a viable option. It smacks of just another silver bullet - and therefore another avoidance strategy to the solution we've long known works - healthy diet and exercise.
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Sep 2, 2014 - 08:47am PT

^^^

Edited for a simpler response;


BINGO!!!...
moosedrool

climber
lost, far away from Poland
Sep 2, 2014 - 08:50am PT
fasting is one of those until we know a lot more about it (scientifically speaking, of course

Tvash, we DO know a lot about fasting, scientifically speaking. It's very easy to find peer reviewed articles on the subject.

Andrzej
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Sep 2, 2014 - 08:53am PT


http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/is_fasting_healthy

WBraun

climber
Sep 2, 2014 - 09:06am PT
Atheists are stupid.

God manefestates in the material world to the gross materialists and atheists in the form of "Time".

No one can defeat "Time" and "Time" is proven to be Supreme.

Stupid atheists .....
timy

Sport climber
Durango
Sep 2, 2014 - 09:07am PT
Urs is not meaningless!....So when is taking a stand meaningless?...

This is true and insightful.

I suppose ya don't have to hate people but being passionate about the injustice caused by their actions (beating their gay son, voting republican, etc.) is far more respectable than standing by.
Religion mixing into politics constitutes a moral emergency at this point in our country. There should be more demonstrations against such hypocrisy.
timy

Sport climber
Durango
Sep 2, 2014 - 09:10am PT
"manifestates"

That's some real vocabularical knowledgement!
Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Sep 2, 2014 - 09:19am PT
Tvash, I am assuming you didn't get to the five pages of citations of peer-reviewed articles from PubMed.

We do have populations that give us a good idea of the benefits caloric restriction and periodic fasting - Blue Zones, especially the Sardinian population.

There was in interesting piece in The New York Times a while back - The Island Where People Forget To Die
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/magazine/the-island-where-people-forget-to-die.html?pagewanted=all
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 2, 2014 - 09:35am PT
Fasting is a fad pushed heavily by the supplements industry (this may be a recycling of the old science fiction idea of taking a 'food pill' as an efficient substitute for eating) - which, as any phone app calorie/nutrient counter knows, is a complete and utter naturopathy-esque scam. A normal diet gives you way more of the RDA of required nutrients, with very few exceptions, most people need.

Omega 3s, vitamin D, maaaaybe joint support, and calcium/iron for some women, perhaps. The rest is unsupported hooey - but, like religion, it does make a ton of coin.

Sure, there are islands where people live longer. Those with an agenda are quick to claim causality for their product de jour - red wine, herbs, blah blah, but the real cause of such anomalies is good ole stochastic genetic drift that particularly effects smaller, isolated populations - of any species, including our own. In such cases, the salient genetic variation manifests itself in outlier levels of longevity.

Ever wonder why this always seems to happen on islands where people don't go to and fro much?

Classic conditions for stochastic genetic drift. This is the very same mechanism that produces unique species on remote islands (Galapagos, anyone?) - it works within species to produce outlier genetic traits as well.

locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Sep 2, 2014 - 09:58am PT

'Ever wonder why this always seems to happen on islands where people don't go to and fro much?"...


Probably not eating at Mac Crapolds weekly either



EDITED:

Now pass me that bowl of Peanut M&M's...

Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Sep 2, 2014 - 11:49am PT

you truly love ALL your fellow men, but you hate all xtians?

 This is factually inaccurate, but in general YES.
I think everyone is decent.... until I find out they are religious and then they tend to repulse me.
I liken it to coming in contact with a distinctly foul odor… It repulses, so I get away from it.


Your extremely negative opinion against what these 'christians' attitude is toward their homosexual son comes from your life-long experienced truths that don't jive with theirs.

 Again, f*#k off.
How is this statement not a clear indication of your ignorance of not only me, but my post, the video and all the players in it. You will be able to clearly show, given all that I have written on the ST Forum
Take another look and this time try to take yourself and your views on everything out of the equation.
So when is taking a stand meaningless?

 when doing so results in effecting nothing: No change = no change no matter how I look at it.

Don't you think the parents in that video could have been reacting from their own life-long experienced truths?

 half of which has been spent under the delusion that a god says anything to them.... without producing a shred of evidence other than "you'll have to take my word for it". Pathetic. We wouldn't believe a criminal, I won't believe you and the incredible claims.

Regardless of where you'alls opinion comes from, standing-up for something is a big meaningful part of life,IMO.

 Unless a xtian decides to announce it as the devils work? Then all the xtians have to get get behind stopping it....

You see, in the xtians world there is still a god and a devil... like every story book every written... good guy bad guy, black white







Any ignoramus who thinks that god manifestates to all mankind by way of “Time” is clearly up their own ass with their own head.



Your ignorance manifestates in ludicrous statements pronounced here on the topo....
No one can defeat "Time" and "Time" is proven to be Supreme.


 WTF is that? Who says time is supreme? Where's the proof? Proof of what? That's right, it's just a feeling you have that you are very sure of. At the very best this is an observation... Time.... See?

Ok, you are a genius in your own mind, we should all bow to you, as you have knowledge that everyone else around you doesn't have a clue unless they happen to agree with your xtian standards

This is what that furitcake up there mentioned



I suppose ya don't have to hate people but being passionate about the injustice caused by their actions (beating their gay son, voting republican, etc.) is far more respectable than standing by.

 and making apologies for the xtians is just as shameful as the shameful xtians doing the beating of the gays....
I feel that if I don't point out that you xtians are hypocrites, every one of you, if you are not calling your more extreme xtians for being cowardly and behaving like less than human beings...


But I already know what I can expect from you....





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not a thing!!!!! Just like the pope.... he could change things.... he chooses not to.... f*#k him then....
WBraun

climber
Sep 2, 2014 - 01:13pm PT
LOL

Jingy = meltdown .....
timy

Sport climber
Durango
Sep 2, 2014 - 01:34pm PT
I think everyone is decent.... until I find out they are religious and then they tend to repulse me.
I liken it to coming in contact with a could odor… It’s repulses, so I get away from them
Again, f*#k off.

AWESOME
Jingy, I like your style.
Farouk

Boulder climber
Sylvan Grove
Sep 2, 2014 - 01:43pm PT
Jingy = stupidest guy on the forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And getting dumber every day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
timy

Sport climber
Durango
Sep 2, 2014 - 02:00pm PT
^^^^
You must be one of those "real christians" !!!!!!!!

Looking good man!!!!!!!
WBraun

climber
Sep 2, 2014 - 02:08pm PT
little timy

Just for you ...

Farouk and me are not real Christians.

I've never even read the Bible to begin with.

But!!!! we can spot a anti religious nutcase from miles away such as you and poor Jingy .........
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Sep 2, 2014 - 02:11pm PT
ah ha....!!!!

LOL



Too funny!!!


You fools think that was a meltdown?

That was a dude who took a few minutes to ponder then respond to a few arrogant posts by Christianx who don't like my brand of religion or lack thereof.

Poor xtians.....





LOL




Poor.... poor.... xtians




Oh, look Edit:

Oh look!!!!!

Werner found a friend in stupid!!!

How quaint.... how fitting.... what a fitting pair..... a pair that fit together....


like a couple of balls in a sack.. of sorts....


I've never even read the Bible to begin with.

 You mean you just make all this up from thin air like all the other xtians? You really are a god!
Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Sep 2, 2014 - 09:07pm PT
Fasting is a fad pushed heavily by the supplements industry

Really? If you drink bottled water during a weekly fast of 16-36 hours the companies making money are most likely Nestles and Coca Cola. In that fasting has a long tradition in cultures around the world it is hardly a fad, though some marketing around the practice might be.

A normal diet gives you way more of the RDA of required nutrients, with very few exceptions, most people need.

Maybe, though RDA in actuality is a guesstimate. The RDA for iodine is 150mcg/.15mg. The average intake in Japan is 12.5mg because of all the seaweed and seafood they eat. They also live longer and have less degenerative diseases than we do, including thyroid disease, heart disease, and cancer. Some epidemiologists believe it is in part because of their iodine intake.

Exposure to plastics, pesticides, solvents, aldehydes, toxic metals and other man made agents from the environment increases the need for some nutrients to process and eliminate and protect you from them. Food refining and soil depletion effect nutrient density. The fortification of foods after the fact replaces naturally ocurring food form of nutrients with synthetics which are not the same creature as he original. An example here would be vitamin B1/thiamin where the natural form is thiamin pyrophosphate and the synthetic is thiamin hydrochloride.

Genetic faults impair utilization of some vitamins and minerals and can create the need for supplementation to upregulate the activity associated with these nutrients. These genetic faults are surprisingly common especially in chronically sick populations. I have to take 4 times the RDA of zinc and have since my teens when I suffered ulcerative colitis, debilitating allergies, recurring infections, ADD, and OCD. The zinc solves it all because it addresses weaknesses in my genetic constitution that ihibit effective utilization of zinc. MTHFR C677T and A1298C gene mutations are suprisingly common and impair conversion of dietary folic acid to the metabolically active form methylfolate. People who have this genetic polymorphism suffer from higher rates of heart disease, autoimmune and inflammatory diseases, depression, ADD, anxiety, and hormonal imbalances than the general population. By testing their methylation system and supplementing with the nutrients indicated for them (methylfolate, B12, B15, glycine, serine, phosphorylated B6, selenium, and the amino acids, cysteine and methionine) their health is dramatically improved as measured by physical exam parameters and lab testing and you typically are able to get them off a long list of drugs that had been used to manage their symptoms.

Omega 3s, vitamin D, maaaaybe joint support, and calcium/iron for some women, perhaps. The rest is unsupported hooey - but, like religion, it does make a ton of coin.

Tvash, You show your lack of knowledge about biochemistry and clinical nutrition with the above stance. The hooey actually has support; get on pubmed and take a look around. A lot of that hooey, including the fasting, normalizes physical and laboratory findings daily in my practice. The gold standard conventional medicine metrics strongly suggest a lot of that hooey....................works.

It is true that there are unscrupulous people selling lies about nutriton (This is true also true about the pharmaceutical industry - read The Truth About the Drug Companies: How They Deceive Us and What to Do About It by Marcia Angell, MD and past editor in chief for The New England Journal of Medicine.)

Sure, there are islands where people live longer. Those with an agenda are quick to claim causality for their product de jour - red wine, herbs, blah blah, but the real cause of such anomalies is good ole stochastic genetic drift

This might account for some of the outcomes in these populations, but the model is undermined by the consistent observation that people from these groups cease to enjoy the health and longevity of their family members when they leave to live in other environments and cultures. Originally, researchers looked for some singular magic potion (wine, olives, fish, nuts, etc.) that created the good health and longevity in certain populations. Now researchers are pretty much in agreement that the benefits come from a number of factors.

Tvash, I get that you have a problem with people that misquote, misconstrue, and misrepresent research to manipulate others. That behavior is indefensible. Snake oil salesmen have been around forever and they come in all forms. Calling them out is a good thing. Be passionate about it, but stay ratonal at the same time - it maintains credibility and makes you more effective.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 2, 2014 - 09:15pm PT
Tvash believes nothing, cept his pocket calculator
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Sep 3, 2014 - 07:30am PT


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