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Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Aug 31, 2014 - 07:05pm PT
Werner forgot to take his meds again.
scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Aug 31, 2014 - 10:46pm PT
I agree, Jstan, the trailer for the movie "Her" was a bit dumb and goopy. But the movie itself was compelling and complex--and entertaining, I thought
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Aug 31, 2014 - 10:59pm PT
I don't know what's the big deal between Christians and Muslims.

In high school, I met 72 virgins and they were all just fine with the status quo...



locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Sep 1, 2014 - 01:12am PT

"it's apparent by the fact that satin is running around."...


As much as he's running around he could probably use a resole...

Next time you see him, give him my number...

Thanks!!!...


scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Sep 1, 2014 - 01:41am PT
No doubt Satan enjoys soft satin against his skin. Crushed velvet, too. He likes a velour jumpsuit to relax in. He's a charming devil
jstan

climber
Sep 1, 2014 - 07:34am PT
There are some things god could spare us that would be most appreciated.
timy

Sport climber
Durango
Sep 1, 2014 - 09:42am PT
...God offers us Jesus!

But how do you know this?

There is nothing to substantiate that claim.

/seb'stanCHe,at/ verb provide evidence to support or prove the truth of.

/evedens/ noun the available body of facts ar information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

/fact/ noun a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts...
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Sep 1, 2014 - 10:02am PT
no matter the topic, the lack of proof is all the proof some folks need.
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Sep 1, 2014 - 10:04am PT
"You cannot reason a person out of something they were not reasoned into."
-Jonathan Swift
Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Sep 1, 2014 - 10:09am PT
no matter the topic, the lack of proof is all the proof some folks need.

Ward is right

Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Proofs
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 1, 2014 - 10:17am PT
When god offers us cheeses, I might take him up on it.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 1, 2014 - 03:41pm PT

/fact/ noun a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts...

i've experienced, and witnessed how reading the words of the bible and praying in the name of Jesus can add to, and/or bring change to individuals lives.

This can even be seen through an MRI.

That's a Fact Jack!
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Sep 1, 2014 - 03:51pm PT
Whoa...big stretch. MRI's don't show ....oh, never mind.
scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Sep 1, 2014 - 04:11pm PT
Blublocr is probably referring to positron emission tomography or something similar that can show real time changes in the brain based on mood, stimulus, etc
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 1, 2014 - 04:46pm PT
more factual evidence for prayer,

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104310443
Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Sep 1, 2014 - 04:53pm PT
Blue, There are lot of brain phenomena that can be seen on PET scans of the brain - the effects of drugs, meditation, thinking of gratitude, anger, sex, food, etc. - all trigger PET scan changes. For instance, acupuncture has some very interesting effects on PET scans that don't conform to sensory stimulation to the same region of the body; another is that going through the mental process of paying taxes stimulates the pleasure centers of the brain even when the subject may consciously resent the idea of paying them (may relate to some "hard wiring" around giving (increases survivability of the species?).

The changes you percieve are real to your experience and you may have observed these experiences to relate to behavior that you value. To assume those experiences to be due to direct intervention of Jesus may be your belief and you're welcome to it, but you cannot claim you have proof. That's not how science works. It is very common for people to generally assume that correlation is causation.

For instance, research shows, overall, families that have greater numbers of bathrooms in their homes have a higher percentage of family members with a higher education. Doesn't mean that adding a bathroom to your home will give your kids a greater chance of graduating from college!

Yes, there is a lot of science out there about prayer and it may be a valuable activity. The research does not prove the existence or action of anything except the directly observed phenomenon. That's how science works.

I did a very extensive review of the literature regarding the effects of fasting on physiology and the results of water fasting are quite compelling. I have observed the value of juice fasting on myself and patients for over 30 years of practice, but I have no proof because there isn't a body of published-peer reviewed studies out there. So when patients ask me about water fasting I can tell them there is compelling scientific evidence (still not enough to be proof) and on juice fasting I have extensive observation that indicates it is valuable, including making changes in physical exams and lab findings. But, juice fasting still has no compelling body of evidence or proof.

With all the scientific evidence supporting water fasting, the mechanism is still unknown and the causation of the observed benefits is unknown. So it is with prayer, from a scientific perspective we see evidence of the effect, we can infer a benefit, and we do not know the mechanism or causation from the scientific studies that have been done so far.

That doesn't mean prayer doesn't have value, but don't misrepresent the science to support your arguements.

Faith and belief are feelings and they don't have to have proof; they are what they are. Your faith and your beliefs are based on feelings you have had and the stuff you've made up to make sense of them. Someone else having same feelings will make up some other interpretation about their experience based upon the knowledge, language, and culture they have to interpret it all through. Which one is right? Which one knows the truth with a capital T? Ever hear about the Tower of Babel?

I have mystical beliefs that I hold that are outside of my "science mind" and I don't expect anyone else to believe them. Don't feel the need; not important.

There is the sh#t we make up and the stuff we say and do. Some people are willing to kill others if the other doesn't believe the sh#t they make up. Islamic fundamentalism? The Inquisition and witch trials?

We could focus more on what we say and do and on the observable effects of those toward beneficial outcomes.

Or, as the Dalai Lama says, "If you want to make others happy, practice compassion; if you want to make yourself happy, practice compassion.

Oh, and there was that other guy who was supposed to have said, "By their fruits ye shall know them."
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Sep 1, 2014 - 06:25pm PT
I have to ask.... How am I not supposed to spew about xristianity....


When it looks like this?





So.... I know nobody really expects to be given respect automatic or anything.... especially on this board... But why is it that I get the feeling that people expect something when they mention their religion to me....
how is it that I am supposed to automatically respect those who call themselves devoted to one religion or another....
When I know that they can harbor the same feelings that result in this video... sh#t like this happen every frickin day in America.... America!!!!
Where we say we will fight to the death anyone who will try to take any of that freedom from us....
We say everybody is free....

.... Unless you're gay.

Then we real Americans can turn on you like a band of hyenas and are willing to treat you with all the respect of a good kill.

Mark - you've already done too much.... leave the troll....
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 1, 2014 - 06:42pm PT

That doesn't mean prayer doesn't have value, but don't misrepresent the science to support your arguements.

Nor was my intent toward this insinuation. i was merely pointing the scientist to the facts that are out there. Where that path takes them only God can predict. That is my compassion
scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Sep 1, 2014 - 07:00pm PT
Christians on the left and right would all agree that Christ never mentioned or condemned or condoned homosexuality in the gospels. (Which contain his only supposed direct quotes)

Christians are sinning when they hate instead of love people, including gay people, and the huge majority of Christians are aware of that

Sadly, since its a free country, anyone can call themselves a Christian, and anyone can choose to feel hate instead of love toward their fellow man
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 1, 2014 - 07:53pm PT
the beneficial mechanism of water fasting is very like the killing off of old T cells - thus spurring the regeneration of new ones. This should help with many auto immune disorders.

Losing weight from fasting does, too. Fewer inflammatories.
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