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Tvash

climber
Seattle
Aug 31, 2014 - 04:56pm PT
Satin. Dat's da one witda wicked rings pahked arounit, right?
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Aug 31, 2014 - 06:22pm PT
Impossible to do.

Atheist can only run their mouths and say there's no God.

But if they were truly an atheist their heart would immediately stop.

Everything manifest in the material world is part parcel of God.

Not even blade of grass can move without God moving it first.

Atheist are stupid, ignorant and arrogant to the complete real facts.

Atheists only have incomplete facts which they "Religiously" spout ......

 Werner, the fact that I call myself an atheist... what have I spouted. Also, do you see anything you do as "spouting off" as well... or do your words just automatically mean more to the universe.
What have I spouted other than I believe there is no god....

I'm not totally sure how this has any effect on you whatsoever.... All I repeatedly ask is that you get your head out of make believe and stick to what you know to be true and leave the imaginary story telling to out next to the fire side.

You Christians think you know everything including the mind of god. To me, this is the hight of arrogance, but you continue to think of yourself as you wish.

Tvash

climber
Seattle
Aug 31, 2014 - 06:46pm PT
if god doesnt exist, his mind is nothing, so Werner can accurately claim he knows the mind of god.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Aug 31, 2014 - 07:05pm PT
Werner forgot to take his meds again.
scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Aug 31, 2014 - 10:46pm PT
I agree, Jstan, the trailer for the movie "Her" was a bit dumb and goopy. But the movie itself was compelling and complex--and entertaining, I thought
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Aug 31, 2014 - 10:59pm PT
I don't know what's the big deal between Christians and Muslims.

In high school, I met 72 virgins and they were all just fine with the status quo...



locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Sep 1, 2014 - 01:12am PT

"it's apparent by the fact that satin is running around."...


As much as he's running around he could probably use a resole...

Next time you see him, give him my number...

Thanks!!!...


scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Sep 1, 2014 - 01:41am PT
No doubt Satan enjoys soft satin against his skin. Crushed velvet, too. He likes a velour jumpsuit to relax in. He's a charming devil
go-B

climber
Cling to what is good!
Sep 1, 2014 - 07:27am PT
...God offers us Jesus!


1 John 3:23 This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.


1 John 4:9 By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us.


1 John 5:11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
jstan

climber
Sep 1, 2014 - 07:34am PT
There are some things god could spare us that would be most appreciated.
timy

Sport climber
Durango
Sep 1, 2014 - 09:42am PT
...God offers us Jesus!

But how do you know this?

There is nothing to substantiate that claim.

/seb'stanCHe,at/ verb provide evidence to support or prove the truth of.

/evedens/ noun the available body of facts ar information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

/fact/ noun a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts...
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Sep 1, 2014 - 10:02am PT
no matter the topic, the lack of proof is all the proof some folks need.
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Sep 1, 2014 - 10:04am PT
"You cannot reason a person out of something they were not reasoned into."
-Jonathan Swift
Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Sep 1, 2014 - 10:09am PT
no matter the topic, the lack of proof is all the proof some folks need.

Ward is right

Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Proofs
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 1, 2014 - 10:17am PT
When god offers us cheeses, I might take him up on it.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 1, 2014 - 03:41pm PT

/fact/ noun a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts...

i've experienced, and witnessed how reading the words of the bible and praying in the name of Jesus can add to, and/or bring change to individuals lives.

This can even be seen through an MRI.

That's a Fact Jack!
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Sep 1, 2014 - 03:51pm PT
Whoa...big stretch. MRI's don't show ....oh, never mind.
scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Sep 1, 2014 - 04:11pm PT
Blublocr is probably referring to positron emission tomography or something similar that can show real time changes in the brain based on mood, stimulus, etc
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 1, 2014 - 04:46pm PT
more factual evidence for prayer,

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104310443
Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Sep 1, 2014 - 04:53pm PT
Blue, There are lot of brain phenomena that can be seen on PET scans of the brain - the effects of drugs, meditation, thinking of gratitude, anger, sex, food, etc. - all trigger PET scan changes. For instance, acupuncture has some very interesting effects on PET scans that don't conform to sensory stimulation to the same region of the body; another is that going through the mental process of paying taxes stimulates the pleasure centers of the brain even when the subject may consciously resent the idea of paying them (may relate to some "hard wiring" around giving (increases survivability of the species?).

The changes you percieve are real to your experience and you may have observed these experiences to relate to behavior that you value. To assume those experiences to be due to direct intervention of Jesus may be your belief and you're welcome to it, but you cannot claim you have proof. That's not how science works. It is very common for people to generally assume that correlation is causation.

For instance, research shows, overall, families that have greater numbers of bathrooms in their homes have a higher percentage of family members with a higher education. Doesn't mean that adding a bathroom to your home will give your kids a greater chance of graduating from college!

Yes, there is a lot of science out there about prayer and it may be a valuable activity. The research does not prove the existence or action of anything except the directly observed phenomenon. That's how science works.

I did a very extensive review of the literature regarding the effects of fasting on physiology and the results of water fasting are quite compelling. I have observed the value of juice fasting on myself and patients for over 30 years of practice, but I have no proof because there isn't a body of published-peer reviewed studies out there. So when patients ask me about water fasting I can tell them there is compelling scientific evidence (still not enough to be proof) and on juice fasting I have extensive observation that indicates it is valuable, including making changes in physical exams and lab findings. But, juice fasting still has no compelling body of evidence or proof.

With all the scientific evidence supporting water fasting, the mechanism is still unknown and the causation of the observed benefits is unknown. So it is with prayer, from a scientific perspective we see evidence of the effect, we can infer a benefit, and we do not know the mechanism or causation from the scientific studies that have been done so far.

That doesn't mean prayer doesn't have value, but don't misrepresent the science to support your arguements.

Faith and belief are feelings and they don't have to have proof; they are what they are. Your faith and your beliefs are based on feelings you have had and the stuff you've made up to make sense of them. Someone else having same feelings will make up some other interpretation about their experience based upon the knowledge, language, and culture they have to interpret it all through. Which one is right? Which one knows the truth with a capital T? Ever hear about the Tower of Babel?

I have mystical beliefs that I hold that are outside of my "science mind" and I don't expect anyone else to believe them. Don't feel the need; not important.

There is the sh#t we make up and the stuff we say and do. Some people are willing to kill others if the other doesn't believe the sh#t they make up. Islamic fundamentalism? The Inquisition and witch trials?

We could focus more on what we say and do and on the observable effects of those toward beneficial outcomes.

Or, as the Dalai Lama says, "If you want to make others happy, practice compassion; if you want to make yourself happy, practice compassion.

Oh, and there was that other guy who was supposed to have said, "By their fruits ye shall know them."
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