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Sketch

Trad climber
Not FortMental
Aug 23, 2014 - 02:41pm PT
jammer

climber

Aug 23, 2014 - 02:16pm PT
Chief, I don't know. I just think you need to get off your idiotic high horse of superiority and admit that white people are the most murderous higher order living beings the planet has ever seen. By far.

What's your basis for this claim?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 23, 2014 - 02:50pm PT
Whites gangs have terrorizes people in bigger cites and across the country way longer than black gangs or mexican gangs. It is a poverty thing. A little history..

First period: 1783–1850s
· The first ganglike groups emerged immediately after the American Revolution ended, in 1783,
among the White European immigrants (mainly English, Germans, and Irish).
· Serious ganging in New York City commenced around 1820.
· The first well-organized gang formed in 1826 in the back room of Rosanna Peers’s greengrocery.
Second period: 1860–1920s
· The Chinese began setting up their own highly structured tongs around 1860.
· The arrival of the Poles, Italians, Austrians, and other peoples in the period 1890 to 1930 created
even worse slum conditions.
· The first U.S. police war on gangs occurred in New York City in 1915–16.
Third period: 1930s–1980s
· Beginning in the 1930s, the most intensive gang activity in New York City shifted from downtown
(Manhattan) to both northern (East Harlem and the Bronx) and southeastern (Brooklyn) locations
in the metropolitan area.
· More fighting gangs emerged after the arrival of African American migrants from the South and
Latino immigrant groups (from Latin America, the Caribbean, and Puerto Rico) in the 1930s and
1940s.
· Black gangs appeared by the 1950s.
· In the late 1950s, a “slum clearance” project moved several thousand poor Puerto Rican and African
American families into high-rise public housing in East Harlem.
· During the 1980s, new Asian and non–Puerto Rican Latino immigrants populated gangs.
Midwest Region (mainly Chicago)
First period: 1860s–1920s
· Chicago’s first street gangs developed among White immigrants along ethnic lines in the 1860s—
particularly Irish, German, and Lithuanian people.
· In the 1920s, gangs became entrenched in the patronage networks operated by ward politicians, with
notorious criminals and rum-runners, the most notable of which was the Al Capone gang.
Second period: 1940s–1970s
· Following the 1919 race riot, Black males formed gangs to confront hostile White gang members
who were terrorizing the African American communities.
· Mexican American gangs likely formed in the 1950s, if not earlier.
· Chicago’s largely African American gang problem exploded in the 1960s, with more gangs and more
violence.
· Public housing high-rises became gang incubators and drug turf battlegrounds beginning in the
1970s.
Table 1.1 Key Timelines in U.S. Street Gang HistoryChapter 1 History of Gangs in the United States ❖ 3
West Region (mainly Los Angeles)
First period: 1890s–1920s
· Ganglike groups of Mexican descent appeared in the West region in the 1890s.
· The first Los Angeles Mexican American gangs likely formed in the 1920s.
Second period: 1940s–1950s
· Two events in the 1940s stimulated growth of Mexican American gangs in West: the Sleepy Lagoon
murder and the zoot suit riots.
· Mexican immigration accelerated in the early 1950s.
Third period: 1950s–1980s
· By the 1950s, African American gangs in Los Angeles were beginning to assume a street gang
presence.
· African American gangs were well established by the 1960s in low-income housing projects.
· Mexican American gangs steadily grew following the Vietnam War, the War on Poverty, and the
Chicano movement of the 1960s and 1970s.
· By the 1970s, street gangs had emerged in most populated areas across California.
· In the 1980s, the gang culture melded with crack cocaine dealing and consumption in the African
American ghettos.
South Region
First period: 1970s–1990s
· Gang activity likely did not emerge in the southern states prior to the 1970s.
· As of 1980, only Miami and San Antonio were considered to have a moderately serious gang
problem.
· Several southern states saw sharp increases in gang activity in multiple cities and counties by 1995.
· Before the end of the 20th century, the South region matched the other major regions in the
prevalence of gang activity.
· Houston emerged in the past decade as a major gang center.


But get blaming Al Sharpton Chief.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep
Aug 23, 2014 - 02:52pm PT
WTF does the above have to do with Ferguson, BOBDA... WHAT?????


Not a damn thing. Just shows your real agenda.


Chief, as long as you are clear that you are not trying to say "why are black people so murderous compared to white people"


Never did I post anything of the sorts nor will I ever.


I agree that something needs to be done about the gang problem, and I doubt you will find much dissenting opinion about that here.

Not one of the OPED's posted by HDJ states one word by either Al or JJ regarding their direct opposition of that issue. Nor will you find one that does.

That is what these two supposed leaders of the Black Community need to be addressing regularly. NOT showing up at protests such as the one in Ferguson when Whitey shoots a young black man.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Aug 23, 2014 - 02:53pm PT
The Chief complained
No HDJ... Had this been a Black Cop that shot Brown, you, KMAN, BOBDA and the rest of the screamers would think anything of it nor be saying a peep. Not one word.


Yeah. Nobody got upset when that black cop choked that black guy to death in New York. Not a peep from anyone. ESPECIALLY not Sharpton. Great point, Chief.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/23/us/new-york-choke-hold-rally/index.html

New York (CNN) -- Thousands of protesters rallied Saturday on a New York street where Eric Garner, an unarmed black man, died after a white police officer put him in a chokehold, sparking national outrage just weeks before Michael Brown was shot to death by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri.

The "We Will Not Go Back March" was led by the Rev. Al Sharpton's National Action Network, whose members also participated in demonstrations in Ferguson.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/05/us-usa-new-york-chokehold-idUSKBN0G51PB20140805

Lynch sharply criticized the inclusion of Reverend Al Sharpton, head of the National Action Network, at a City Hall roundtable discussion of Garner's death, during which the civil rights leader suggested race factored into the way Garner was handled by police.

“It is outrageously insulting to all police officers to say that we go out on our streets to choke people of color, as Al Sharpton stated while seated at the table, right next to our mayor at City Hall," Lynch said.


Wow. Once again defeated by Google in less than 30 seconds.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep
Aug 23, 2014 - 02:57pm PT
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Aug 23, 2014 - 02:53pm PT
The Chief complained
No HDJ... Had this been a Black Cop that shot Brown, you, KMAN, BOBDA and the rest of the screamers would think anything of it nor be saying a peep. Not one word.


Yeah. Nobody got upset when that black cop choked that black guy to death in New York. Not a peep from anyone. ESPECIALLY not Sharpton. Great point, Chief.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/23/us/new-york-choke-hold-rally/index.html

New York (CNN) -- Thousands of protesters rallied Saturday on a New York street where Eric Garner, an unarmed black man, died after a white police officer put him in a chokehold, sparking national outrage just weeks before Michael Brown was shot to death by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri.

The "We Will Not Go Back March" was led by the Rev. Al Sharpton's National Action Network, whose members also participated in demonstrations in Ferguson.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/05/us-usa-new-york-chokehold-idUSKBN0G51PB20140805

Lynch sharply criticized the inclusion of Reverend Al Sharpton, head of the National Action Network, at a City Hall roundtable discussion of Garner's death, during which the civil rights leader suggested race factored into the way Garner was handled by police.

“It is outrageously insulting to all police officers to say that we go out on our streets to choke people of color, as Al Sharpton stated while seated at the table, right next to our mayor at City Hall," Lynch said.


Wow. Once again defeated by Google in less than 30 seconds

WOW HDJ... Do you read what you post! That was a white cop that killed Garner. NOT a black cop.

Nothing in your post in regards to the Black on Black violence that prevails in the Black community throughout the United States. Not a damn thing.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Aug 23, 2014 - 03:02pm PT
You're right I had that wrong. For some reason the video I was shown was of an absurdly muscular black dude chokeholding some guy. It wasn't the right video.

Doesn't change the greater point.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep
Aug 23, 2014 - 03:08pm PT
The greater point???

What is the greater point HDJ???? What?


Had ANY of these latest incidents been perpetrated by a Black Police Officer on a black person, there would not be any demonstrations in the streets any where.

You nor any of the other's here on this thread, including the initiator, would be thinking twice of posting up anything. Not a damn word.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 23, 2014 - 03:10pm PT
chief wrote: WTF does the above have to do with Ferguson, BOBDA... WHAT?????

Poverty.

The poverty rate has doubled in the last 10 years.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep
Aug 23, 2014 - 03:12pm PT
Poverty?

There it is. BOBda's socialist agenda.

Affiliating with any gang regardless of race and or color, and behaving in a violent manner on a daily basis has absolutely NOTHING to do with poverty. It is a choice one makes. Period.


The current POTUS grew up in an environment of poverty. Raised by a single black mother. He is a living example that it is all a matter of choice of where one allows themself to be directed in life.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 23, 2014 - 03:18pm PT
"Their charges have more than a whiff of condescension — implying that most blacks are unable to discern the greatest ills afflicting them. But black leaders can work to curb violence by blacks against blacks and also work to prevent the killing of unarmed African-Americans by police and vigilantes. Both are deeply undesirable.
It’s no secret that rates of violent crime are far higher among blacks than among whites. What is generally overlooked is that these rates have dropped sharply over the past two decades. The Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice reports that violent crime by young blacks has plunged 60 percent.
In 1995, the FBI reports, 9,074 blacks were arrested for homicide. In 2012, the number was 4,203 — a decline of 54 percent. But conservatives don’t labor endlessly to publicize that trend.
Nor do they often mention what USA Today reports: “Nearly two times a week in the United States, a white police officer killed a black person during a seven-year period ending in 2012, according to the most recent accounts of justifiable homicide reported to the FBI.”
There’s another, bigger problem with the preoccupation with black-on-black crime. The term suggests race is the only important factor. Most crimes are committed by males, but we don’t refer to male-on-male crime. Whites in the South are substantially more prone to homicide than those in New England, but no one laments Southerner-on-Southerner crime. Why does crime involving people of African descent deserve its own special category?
The phrase stems from a desire to excuse whites from any role in changing the conditions that breed disorder and delinquency in poor black areas. It carries the message that blacks are to blame for the crime that afflicts them — and that only they can eliminate it. Whites are spared any responsibility in the cause or the cure.
Excluding them from complicity is harder to do when the killer is white and the killed is black, as in the shooting in Ferguson. Raising black-on-black crime right now is not a sincere attempt to improve the lot of African-Americans. It’s a way to change the subject and a way to blame them."
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep
Aug 23, 2014 - 03:22pm PT
Hey BOBDA... send the above bullshet propaganda to the mother of this young black boy shot/"executed" in his So Chicago "projects" backyard several times yesterday.


http://www.aol.com/article/2014/08/22/chicago-boy-9-gunned-down-execution-style-after-tantrum-over-c/20951183/?ncid=webmail2

All of this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the black community BOBda. Just a tool for you and others to instigate and promote your socialistic propaganda. Nothing more.
jammer

climber
Aug 23, 2014 - 03:23pm PT
Had ANY of these latest incidents been perpetrated by a Black Police Officer on a black person, there would not be any demonstrations in the streets any where.

I believe one of the points that has been brought up in all this is that the ratio of black to white cops on any given police force in America is poorly representative of the population distribution in terms of black and white people. It is speculated that this is THE reason police sanctioned racism continues in America today. It is also speculated that these black police officers could be some of the community leaders many black communities so desperately need. In short, you brought us right to the crux of the issue :).
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 23, 2014 - 03:24pm PT
Hey Chief:

**In 1995, the FBI reports, 9,074 blacks were arrested for homicide. In 2012, the number was 4,203 — a decline of 54 percent. But conservatives don’t labor endlessly to publicize that trend.
Nor do they often mention what USA Today reports: “Nearly two times a week in the United States, a white police officer killed a black person during a seven-year period ending in 2012, according to the most recent accounts of justifiable homicide reported to the FBI.”**


Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 23, 2014 - 03:26pm PT
"Between 2000 and 2010-2012, Ferguson’s poor population doubled. By the end of that period, about one in four residents lived below the federal poverty line, according to the Brookings study.

The city’s unemployment rate rose from less than 5 percent in 2000 to over 13 percent between 2010 and 2012."
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep
Aug 23, 2014 - 03:26pm PT
Hey BOBda... "arrested" means nothing.


Most Gang shootings are done by drive by's (law enforcement can not track down and arrest the shooters) and are now dealt with by the rival gangs that homicide was directed towards. Finding and bringing the perps to justice is becoming less and less realistic. Thus your stats.

You are so ignorant of the reality of what happens in gangland. Typical.


Keep spewing your paper stats. Means nothing out in the streets.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 23, 2014 - 03:28pm PT
" promote your socialistic propaganda." coming from someone who get a socialist check every month.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep
Aug 23, 2014 - 03:30pm PT
Here we go... when you get your libtard ass kicked it's time to start the personal attacks.


Right on cue BOBDA!!



Typical libtard behavior. Never fails.




"Socialistic check"? Nope. Called a retirement check after 24+ years of service (half of that in combat roles) around the globe helping keep sorry ungrateful libtards such as yourself free to shet all over those you do not agree with . Appears you have a problem with that now.

BTW there BOBDA, how many inner city anti gang programs have you volunteered your 24/7 time/service with to help remedy this inner city violence issue? Regardless of their color, ethnicity or race.
Sketch

Trad climber
Not FortMental
Aug 23, 2014 - 03:35pm PT
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM

Aug 23, 2014 - 03:26pm PT
"Between 2000 and 2010-2012, Ferguson’s poor population doubled.

I thought you were talking about poverty, nationwide.

My mistake.

Thanks for the clarification.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep
Aug 23, 2014 - 03:38pm PT
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM

Aug 23, 2014 - 03:26pm PT
"Between 2000 and 2010-2012, Ferguson’s poor population doubled

Who's fault is that?

And why then did the people of Ferguson go loot and destroy the local black successful small businesses that served and made a difference in their community during the week of chaos in Ferguson?

Watch the video here in this Aljazeez (NOT FOXNEWS BOBDA) story...

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/articles/2014/8/19/amid-protests-andlootingfergusonbusinessownersseekamiddlegrounda.html




And the BABDA libtard bullshet just keeps on coming.....
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 23, 2014 - 04:17pm PT
You did nothing for me Chief...STFU.
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