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jammer

climber
Sep 11, 2014 - 04:39pm PT
Walking down the middle of the road, as in walking down the median, as in crossing the road in two pieces? That is what it sounds like was happening, but somehow everyone has interpreted it as he was walking down the road playing chicken with oncoming traffic or some B.S.

Yea, still wondering about the whole ordeal. Glad to hear the cops there now have cameras on them at all times.

On another note, I heard a thing today that police are attempting to justify possessing armed drones. They say they would be for hostage situations, but I'm not sure what armed drones could accomplish that real people could not do better in that kind of situation. Give a reason to disrespect the authority, leading to escalation? Seriously, these people know no low, nor no bounds. The last thing we need to do is begin to remove personal interaction from police. The consequences of that to law enforcement would be very bad.
rwedgee

Ice climber
canyon country,CA
Sep 11, 2014 - 04:41pm PT
One report said the cops orbital bone was broken so maybe he couldn't see. First witnesses said he was shot in the back but then the autopsy says they were all in the front. Who are these "professional instigators" that keep throwing rocks and bottles at the police and where do you hire them ? and the looters ??
The amount of time between the shots seems to be of question also. What information do you trust ??
If the cop was injured then I think he won't even be charged. Either way there is going to be a way bigger mess than we have seen already.
crankster

Trad climber
Sep 12, 2014 - 06:50am PT
Credit: crankster
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Sep 12, 2014 - 09:40am PT
Bobda you strident azzhole don't expect anyone to forgive you for being right :-) thanks!

Rwedgee most of the witnesses I heard said Wilson was shooting at his back, then he turned around, not that he was hit by those shots. Seems to make sense with the number of shots fired vs the number of shots that hit him.

I think a more accurate way to say it is that there IS a way bigger mess than WE see.

Crankster - lol - thanks!

couchmaster

climber
Sep 12, 2014 - 10:13am PT
I think Blahblahblah has the correct version of what actually occurred. However, an investigation will determine if on the ground facts match reality. The underlying thing going on here is that we all see this event though our own perspective and screwed up prisms that our individual lives journies have caused.

For a law abiding youngish white person who has maybe only been pulled over 2-3 times in their life (all cause they really screwed up something like speeding or running a red light), it's hard to sympathize with the average youngish black person, who has been pulled over at least 3 times this year alone for "not using their blinker" when they know damned well that they did turn on their blinker and the cop is making that bullshit up merely to pull them over and rifle through their car looking for evidence of illegality. Even calm law abiding blacks get tired of that crap, and their prism of this kind of event gets skewed by their (and their friends and families) life's events.

The process is designed to grind out an investigation to try and learn the true facts. Whites believe in that process. Blacks don't. If your prism is such that you have personally been repeatedly lied to by police to get you pulled over, and all of your buddies have similar experiences, you will have no trust that the truth is available to you at all as the process is run by what you believe to be liars.

Sadly. That is what needs to be addressed, in addition to this single investigation.

For myself, I believe it's hard to bullshit a detailed forensic investigation, but understand why people don't agree with my point. So I'll wait for the details to fully emerge before judgement, unlike Bob who thinks he knows exactly what happened. (ie, cop killed a kid for no reason because he was black).


I suspect that Blah has it nailed fairly well here:
"It's a little early to conclude that the cop here did anything wrong.
Here's my working hypothesis (and remember what hypothesis means before you blast me, and that I've previously said that the most important thing now is a thorough investigation):
Brown and his cohort, feeling the effects from both their recently purloined Swisher Sweets and their custom filling and the excitement of the QwikEMart fracas, are high, walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic, acting like punks, carrying on, the works.
Cop sees and confronts them, tells them to get the hell out of the road. Words are exchanged.
Brown perceives the cop is starting to get out of his vehicle and sobers up fast. He remembers that he's just committed an at least somewhat serious crime and is likely to get in trouble, panics, and uses his considerable mass to try to prevent the cop from exiting his vehicle.
The cop's a go-getter, and the fight is on. Brown either goes for the cop's gun or at least the cop thinks he is, and the cop goes for the gun himself. Now both Brown and the cop think the other guy is going for a gun, they're both struggling for it, and in an instant, they're fighting for their lives.
Brown punches the cop and stuns him. The cop's gun goes off in the vehicle. It doesn't hit anyone, but it further freaks both of them out. Brown changes strategy from fight to flight, and turns and runs.
Officer is still stunned but (remember he's a go-getter) takes off in pursuit. Brown is a lumbering, morbidly obese, Swisher-Sweet-smoking hulk, and after a short chase realizes he can't outrun the cop. He suddenly wheels to face the cop, arms outstretched . . .

Now here's where things get interesting.
The cop perceives that Brown's hands are raised in another attack. Having already been battered by the hulk once and believing the hulk will again attempt to take his gun, the officer makes a split-second decision and unloads.

But did Brown turn to attack the cop? Or to surrender? Hard to say if we'll ever know that. Still, if the events unfolded even something like the above, it's easy to see how from the cop's perspective, he did the only reasonable thing he could have.

What did the witnesses see? Perhaps they didn't see the life-or-death struggle at the vehicle, they just say a giant black goofball running away from a much smaller white cop, and the goofball quickly got tired and turned with his hands raised. Just a little neighborhood ruckus, until the cop went nuts and blew the big guy to pieces.
Then a bunch of other white cops show up, the goofball's dead as can be and his body is left bleeding in the road for hours, and the witnesses start to get mad and then get madder. What the hell just happened? Brown must have been surrendering when he turned with his arms raised, yeah, that's it.

I think the above is pretty much what happened. Neither Brown nor the cop had any plan to hurt anyone in the moments before they met each other (although I think it's safe to say that Brown knew how to use his size to get what he wants--look at the store footage if you don't believe me). All a tragic mess, and a sad way for a young person to die. But Brown was the architect of his own destruction, and the cop acted as well as he could have under the circumstances. Most of us sort of know that if you get into a fight with cops, there's at least a chance that something could go seriously wrong, and you might up in a lot worse shape than you think you deserve.
Nothing really more nefarious or complicated than that. "
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 12, 2014 - 10:41am PT
I think that is what Blah wants to believe, not what really happened. Time will tell.

Just no fecking way a white cop could be wrong, especially in a town like Fergusson, just no way.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 25, 2014 - 10:43am PT
Just no fecking way a white cop could be wrong...

In the news just today...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O3wsLKL-oU#t=26

Actor Wendell Pierce (black)... described the very same kind of cop-on-black overreaction ("racism") and danger on Real Time w Bill Maher just last Friday.

http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/SC-trooper-charged-with-felony-in-shooting-5780031.php

One more thing science gave us... dash cams. They speak truth to power.
crankster

Trad climber
Sep 25, 2014 - 11:23am PT
Seems to be happening with alarming frequency.

One moment, a man reaches into his vehicle after a South Carolina trooper asked for his driver's license.
Seconds later, the trooper shoots him, and the man asks why. Days afterward, prosecutors aren't satisfied with the answer.
Authorities released dash-camera video Wednesday showing what they say is Sean Groubert, then a South Carolina Highway Patrol trooper, shooting Levar Jones, who was unarmed, in the parking lot of a gas station just outside Columbia on September 4.
Jones, 35, survived the shooting. But Groubert, who was fired because of the incident last week, has been charged with aggravated assault and battery, a felony that could get him up to 20 years in prison if convicted, the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division said Wednesday.
Cop shoots him as he reaches for wallet
"The force administered in this case was unwarranted, inconsistent with how our troopers are trained, and clearly in violation of department policies," state Public Safety Director Leroy Smith said while announcing Groubert's firing Friday.
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Sep 25, 2014 - 11:29am PT
The telling part of the video is that its the poor guy who got shot who keeps apologizing, not the other way around. Wonder what would have been the outcome if there were no dash cams. Poor bastard would be in jail for assaulting a police officer and the cop would probably get a medal.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Sep 25, 2014 - 12:53pm PT
I'll bet they'll find Swisher Sweets in the van.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 25, 2014 - 01:04pm PT
Not even black cops are safe. Many years ago, some Orange County sheriffs were holding an impromptu training exercise. Deputy Robins was former LAPD and wanted to show some of the suburban cops tricks gangters used in the 'hood.

LAKE FOREST The apprehension of four car-theft suspects by the California Highway Patrol prompted an informal police training session that cost Orange County Sheriff's Deputy Darryn Leroy Robins his life at the hands of a fellow deputy, officials disclosed Tuesday.

Both Robins and Brian Scanlan, the deputy who fired the fatal bullet, assisted in the Christmas Day apprehension. But Robins was apparently bothered by the execution of the arrests and, less than an hour later, decided to stage a re-enactment at a mall parking lot to iron out procedural problems.

"Deputy Robins had some method to offer the other officers (that) he felt might make their response safer. . . . I think he was thinking there might have been a better way" to handle the freeway stop, said Lake Forest Mayor Marcia Rudolph.

But then something went tragically wrong.

While authorities continued their refusal to comment in any detail, investigators appear to be focusing on the possibility that Robins, 30, playing the part of the driver in the "hot stop," surprised Scanlan, 32, by reaching for a gun from the visor of his patrol car, said law-enforcement sources familiar with the case.

Under this theory, Scanlan "got caught up in the heat of the moment and fired," one source said. "He just wasn't expecting the gun to be pointed at him."
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 25, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
Here it is, in full, Wendell Pierce on Bill Maher, speaking just days ago...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g_Zvak2QBw

Just hit the YouTube button. 6:40.
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Sep 25, 2014 - 05:21pm PT
Interesting perspective at mymindonpaper.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/two-elevators about the messages we send and receive about race, and how those affect our beliefs and behaviors. Sounds a lot like our conversations sometimes! Those sociopathic fantasy darkies and their gold-digging girlfriends ..

What else could that white cop do when faced with a criminalblackman? Damn, there's that pesky race card again.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 25, 2014 - 07:54pm PT
All those white cops look the same

http://www.wtoc.com/story/26631076/protests-feature-shirts-with-wrong-officer-depicted
crankster

Trad climber
Sep 25, 2014 - 08:12pm PT
I guess that mistake excuses all the wrongful deaths, huh, martini?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 25, 2014 - 08:17pm PT
Now there's a typical "progressive" leap of illogic for ya!
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Oct 9, 2014 - 08:11pm PT
Now they've got the dogs in on it:



Guy is handcuffed and compliant for several minutes.

Dog attack starts around 3:00

Then of course they blame the "perp" when the dog won't release his leg.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Oct 11, 2014 - 07:07pm PT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/10/11/cash-seizures-fuel-police-spending/

So this is the result of all the money we spent on crime prevention?
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Oct 11, 2014 - 07:10pm PT
From Afghanistan to Main Street.

Jobs for Vets.

Never mind the PTSD.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Oct 11, 2014 - 07:19pm PT
So this is the result of all the money we spent on crime prevention?

Surprise Citizen!

It's always been about the about the money .

When I got busted in 99 for my legal prop 215 grow (four plants) - they sent in a 17 man Joint-task Force Team of gunned up wahoos from the Sheriff's SWAT Team, PD regulars from two different towns and some State MADNET Advisors.

I walked up to my front door to a greeting of a fully armoured shock troop force armed with full autos screaming that they would shoot if I moved.

Fookers tore my house literally apart with a forced entry battering ram and then ransacked everything including pulling drywall off the inside.

Threatened to seize my cars, house, pets...you name it.

Grilled for 16 hours before my lawyer chased them off.

Went to court - judge said pay us 20 grand - wrote a check and went home the same day.

Told the desk man - next time just send me a bill as#@&%e.

And yes - I giggle when someone smokes a cop.

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