Suicide,A permanent solution to a temporary problem

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stoneshirt

climber
Volcan,Panama
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 12, 2014 - 03:39pm PT
Hello,everyone.Just thought I'd Post this up.
stoneshirt.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Aug 12, 2014 - 03:54pm PT
Suicide, no matter how horrible your condition is, is not the answer.

Sure, you will be gone, but the bad stuff about suicide is what it does to those around you. It is like a nuclear weapon going off in a family.

After it gets started in a family, or even your acquaintances, it tends to spread. It could be one of your kids, a cousin or nephew, or someone else down the line.

So you can very easy kill more than just yourself. You have to just cope however you can, and anyone who considers it needs to go to the doc. Normal people don't seriously think about suicide. It is a classic red flag for severe depression.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Aug 12, 2014 - 05:34pm PT
Suicide, no matter how horrible your condition is, is not the answer.

What about intolerable physical pain that cannot be managed by drugs and that results from late-stage, terminal cancer (as just one of many examples)?

So, it's no "answer" for a person to hasten the inevitable simply to end the pain? It's always "better" for the person to spend a few really jolly-good weeks or months writhing and screaming in ever-increasing torture?

And if you go the "induced coma" route, it's the same net effect: consciousness is done, never to return. The body living on for awhile is not the point.

Sweeping ethical judgments feel satisfying to the issuer, but they are rarely legit.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Aug 12, 2014 - 05:37pm PT
What if the problem is permanent?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Aug 12, 2014 - 06:57pm PT
What if the problem is permanent?
MikeL

Social climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 12, 2014 - 09:16pm PT
Yeah, sure, . . . suicide: it's about as good or as bad as anything else.
p-owed

Trad climber
Ramona ca
Aug 12, 2014 - 11:17pm PT
Suicide is a very acceptable thing to do!
What do you do to a business that fails to grow. Kill it
What do you do to a hurt animal. kill it
same thing you should do to a hurting person! let them kill them self.
Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Aug 12, 2014 - 11:25pm PT
I think that Robin has bin reincarnated as a fly in my bathroom.( It's possible, right Werner?). I hit him with my flip flop but he's only injured. I think he wants to be released to his next incarnation but I'm not sure. I'm stumped. Any advice? I think it was pure goodness keeping him out of my son's mouth while he was sleeping. Werner, can you help me? What's a poor pussy to do?
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Aug 20, 2014 - 07:28pm PT
it's just a f*#king life,
nothing more than a passing
phase of local awareness
and finite logic;
punctuated by an inter-species
f*#k fest aimed
at dominating angular dawns.

why make such an episode of it?
achievement expectations,
duration requirements,
hygienic dreams,
a nice, orderly fluffy death
as dictated by entropy's pulse.

magicians of though may
employ disaster as an appropriate
suffix to a.
fleeting

Trad climber
camino ca
Jan 15, 2018 - 09:25am PT
a year ago i got my first 5150.

it was snowing on the local pine limbs;
my grip was nearly lost as i dangled from
a branch mid-tree-height, a loop of rope draped
from my neck down in an arch and back up
again to the very brach that kept me in tact
with this life.

it was 5.10 to let go.
though 5.9 to hang on.

thunder cracked. hail fell. hell fail.
i was shirtless and crying.

my wife and daughters were back at the 'stead,
which if i traced a lateral topo line their
hearts were at the same elevation as my feet.
i was standing upon their love.

but god is a hole thru the middle of love.
and my feet skated into that hole,
but the soul and heart of annapurna, my
oldest daughter, founded
my purchase and re-bounded my hope.

so i f*#king mantled that wet-cold gray pine branch
and downclimbed to earth.

strode in shame across the hillside
and met the kind sheriff who was looking
for me. i gave him a hug and he cuffed me (protocol, he said)
we walked back to the neighborhood and he put me in
the back seat of his suv cruiser, as my wife and two daughters looked out from behind glass.

i spent 48 hours in a hold. didn't really sleep,
more just un-died.

because that is what much of this life is about.
patching up the death that sneaks into us around
the edges of our hope.

things are well, now. a year later.
i'm way in love.
always have been.

with all of you strangers.
and with my friends.
and with the mountains.
and most of all with my lovely wife
and two daughters.
and that ol' border collie bitch who round me up when i get
overly wayward.

but that 51-50 was hella expensive.

too much for my finances to gracefully navigate.

so i called up my parents,

"hey dad. you remember that grand you offfered
tara and i for our wedding honeymoon? the one
that we never went on. well, can i spend it
on this hospital bill?"

so in essence my honeymoon was spent
alone in a padded room wearing a paper gown
for 2 days straight. eating hospital food with my fingers.

but those fingers; the have a good cause.
their grip is proud.

we hung on through fear and depression and hail upon the pine branch.

stay-the-f*#k is how i pray
John M

climber
Jan 15, 2018 - 10:04am PT
I'm glad that you made it out. A lot of people don't. I hope that you continue to find the sun shining. Its only been the last few years where I started to feel like I might make it completely out of this nightmare. Its been quite the journey. My physical health is still something of a mess, but I am finally starting to see daylight with my mental health. Of course that is up for debate on this forum.. hahaha, yes. I find it funny.. the highs and lows of the taco. I joined the taco in the darkest days of hell, when I thought I might not climb or surf or ski again. And when because of health problems my ability to earn money was greatly reduced just as my doctor bills were skyrocketing. I shared my problems here. At times with less then grace. I was quite bitter. Some people hated on me, and still send me hateful messages. But many here were kind and forgave me my angst. I will always be grateful for that. I am also grateful for the people here who live life with vigor. Their joie de virve boosted me at a time when I really needed it. So thanks taco standers.

I will pray that you continue to find the joy of living.

fleeting

Trad climber
camino ca
Jan 15, 2018 - 10:06am PT
several interviews with social workers
and a psych-doc, i guess got me out.

i don't think they knew what to make of me.

but i always think that
i'm super-duper extra-ordinary
and professionals cannot
stuff me into an understanding
that is defined by their text-books.
Nick Danger

Ice climber
Arvada, CO
Jan 15, 2018 - 10:23am PT
fleeting and John M, I am happy that you are both here - here as in still corporeal and also here on the Taco. You are worthy folk and your presence enriches us all. I have lost several lovely friends to depression or other mental illness leading to suicide. I don't judge them, but I sure do as hell miss them and recognize the holes they left in their immediate and extended families.

I truly hope the sun continues to shine in your lives and selves

Be well. my friends, this is a subject that hits close to home
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Jan 15, 2018 - 10:50am PT
Thank you for saying.

Continue the climb out. I wish I could help more. You are worth it.
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