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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Aug 20, 2014 - 06:47pm PT
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Awesome pic, tdk. The proposed Gondola would be in the upper right in that image.
If it all works out as planned there may even be a couple new golden arches down by the confluence.
Thanks for sharing this article.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Aug 20, 2014 - 08:19pm PT
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I wonder what John Wesley Powell would say.
He might just LIKE to say, "Take my name offa that abomination."
With tongue in cheek, I say the NavNation should instead build a bridge at the confluence, 'honoring' the late Glen Canyon. Then they won't be passing tress on the public's property.
Of course, a van full of tourons would pay a higher rate than a motorcycle or a motor car, assessed per head, but the local tribespeople traverse for free, of course; and any pastoralists who drive their flocks over the bridge might be given a token for a free ride on the new Freak Out ride at the NavNation's annual carnival.
Okay...I'm getting mentally verklempt.
If the shoe were on the other foot, however, the NavNation might be horrified if there were a threat to their gravesites, such as a parking lot for tour buses, a vendor or two, and tweet buses with organized tours. ("Do not park in the bus parking zone.")
This is not meant to be a racist slur--shut UP! tell it to the hand.
THIS is why there is a National Park SERVICE. There is no better place for a SERVICE than in a "sacred place." I applaud the superintendent, David Uberuaga, for doing his job. It's no cynosure.
I still entertain a vision in my head from long ago, among many other twisted visions:
I'm sleeping in Leidig Meadow in YoValley, waking up to the sun streaming through the panes of a truly monstrous ceiling vault of stained glass, complete with clerestory. It would be pleasing to some, yet a sacrilege for many others.
Every generation must defend its own legacy. We define our legacy. Looters of the ilk of these Italians, Whitmer, and the tribal council members accepting bribes who would steal that legacy are always going to come back again and again.
vigilance is required, just as watchers held to the heights to warn of oncoming dangers.
Thank you, Mark, for bringing this to our attention.
And that other thread is from 2012, just sayin'.
One more thing: TR was speaking from a position of authority when he made that splendid speech. He was in the "Bully Pulpit." I'm just the church mouse listening from up in the beams of sunlight in the ceiling of the GC Cathedral.
And the Canyon's just "bully" the way it is, you must all agree,
That it's the way the Creator made it and the way it's always been meant to be.
Dear God, I trust in Thee.
Inspire us poor critters and help us out here.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 21, 2014 - 08:02am PT
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While he is known for losing his arm at Shiloh and then running the Green and Colorado, Powell's greater legacy was as a scholar who not only introduced a whole new (and accurate) school of geology, but also learned and documented numerous indian languages.
In conducting his surveys west of the hundredth meridian he understood the conflicting interests of grazers, farmers, and miners and others with industrial concerns. He was prescient about the compromises needed to share water and other scarce resources.
He would have said, "We don't need this."
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Festus
Social climber
Enron by the Sea
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Aug 21, 2014 - 08:32am PT
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I'm guessing some of us (like me) need to read Beyond the 100th Meridian. It's been sitting on my shelf forever, one of those books I bought and know I want to read but haven't yet. So what better time than now!
A short review I just yanked off the internet:
"In this book Wallace Stegner recounts the successes and frustrations of John Wesley Powell, the distinguished ethnologist and geologist who explored the Colorado River, the Grand Canyon, and the homeland of Indian tribes of the American Southwest. A prophet without honor who had a profound understanding of the American West, Powell warned long ago of the dangers economic exploitation would pose to the West and spent a good deal of his life overcoming Washington politics in getting his message across. Only now, we may recognize just how accurate a prophet he was.
"This book goes far beyond biography, into the nature and soul of the American West. It is Stegner at his best, assaying an entire era of our history, packing his pages with insights as shrewd as his prose." —Ivan Doig
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mister611
Gym climber
Between 511 and 711
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Aug 21, 2014 - 08:45am PT
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"I wonder what John Wesley Powell would say."
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Hey, can somebody give me a hand over here?
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Aug 21, 2014 - 09:01am PT
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Also worked through the Rosebud Sioux Res. in Montana for 15 years.
The Sioux Rosebud Res. is in South Dakota.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 21, 2014 - 11:39am PT
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Stegner won the awards and got all the attention, but my bet is that he stood on the shoulders of William Culp Darrah, who wrote Powell Of The Colorado, published three years before Stegner by Princeton University Press.
It is a meticulously well researched and footnoted opus. It has a 12 page bibliography that includes hundreds, if not thousands of books, manuscripts, and articles.
It is almost a "how to" manual for anybody who wanted to write an article about a certain aspect of Powell's life.
Oh, and didn't the Crow fight the Sioux in Rosebud Canyon in Montana?
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steve shea
climber
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Aug 21, 2014 - 12:25pm PT
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Yes Rosebud Creek and Canyon in Mt. Between the Silver Run and the Crazies. That is the area, not SD. Different Rosebud. Nonetheless lots of down and out native Americans.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Aug 21, 2014 - 01:33pm PT
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Just spent 10 days in the Grand Canyon rafting on the Colorado River with 5 friends who are experienced white water guides. I hiked down and joined them near Phantom Ranch and we rafted out to Diamond Creek. Prior to this, I had only been on the north rim but never hiked down into the canyon. Each day I was overwhelmed by the spectacular, unspoiled, and remote quality of the canyon as viewed from Colorado River. As a geologist, it was like being in a playground of Paleozoic and PreCambrian rocks, not to mention the basalt lavas from the Uinkaret volcanic field that cascaded down into the canyon from the north rim during the last 750K years.
We rented 3, 18-ft boats from an outfitter. Generally there were 2 in each boat. The technical rapids, like Crystal, Horn, Lava Falls, were challenging to say the least. Fortunately I was with experienced people. We managed to never flip a boat but 3 times someone swam a rapid, including Crystal and Lava Falls. We also got one of the boats stuck on 2 rocks on Crystal. Took significant effort using a 3:1 mechanical advantage pulley system to free the boat. The camp set up and tear down each day along with all the rowing was exhausting.
As you can imagine, the inventory of beer & other alcohol, including > 250 limes, was substantial. The margaritas at tequila beach after Lava Falls were particularly tasty. Here are a few photos...
Paleozoic Coconino Sandstone at the Bright Angel trailhead...
Vulcan's Anvil
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Lava Falls
Basalt cascading down from the north rim.
Diamond Peak...looks like a fun scramble to the summit.
BTW, I just started reading Beyond the 100th Meridian. Stegnar is a great story teller.
Toker: thanks for the reference "Powell Of The Colorado". I'll check that out next.
The addition of spas, dude ranches and gondolas to this environment is depressing :-(
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 21, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
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I've gotta get out to Toroweap again soon. I think it is the best place to visit the rim.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Aug 21, 2014 - 02:48pm PT
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Oh, and didn't the Crow fight the Sioux in Rosebud Canyon in Montana?
May very well be so, all I know about them is the Sioux Rosebud Reservation is in SD.
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