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WTF

climber
Aug 5, 2014 - 10:16am PT
Yeah bring a full blown Ebola case or two back to the USA. Brilliant.
The bubble was probably made by the lowest bidder.

Carry on.
stevep

Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
Aug 5, 2014 - 11:00am PT
I'll try to carry on.

It's difficult though, what with Ebola being exactly like that Rage virus depicted in 28 Days Later.

I'm actually quite good with them bringing those people here. The risk is very low. And sooner or later these diseases do make their way to the US in a uncontrolled situation. I'd much rather that we take the opportunity to use these patients(guinea pigs effectively) to study treatment in a high tech First World setting so that we're better prepared when we actually have something to worry about.
crÝtch

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 5, 2014 - 11:58am PT
Here's a press photo of Dr. Brantly (1st patient brought to Atlanta) treating an Ebola patient in Africa. It will be interesting to find out how he became infected despite his use of precautions (at least in this photo).

In this 2014 photo provided by the Samaritan's Purse aid organization,...
In this 2014 photo provided by the Samaritan's Purse aid organization, Dr. Kent Brantly, left, treats an Ebola patient at the Samaritan's Purse Ebola Case Management Center in Monrovia, Liberia.
Credit: AP
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Aug 5, 2014 - 12:02pm PT
I'd imagine conditions and equipment in Africa were not conducive to isolating the outbreak. Liberia was completely caught off guard in every aspect.

The isolation rooms they have set up for these patients sound pretty damn impressive. I am sure the folks manning them are equally so.

The folks in Africa responding to this outbreak are heroes of the kind not celebrated in our stupid action films, especially considering the toll on healthcare workers.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 6, 2014 - 09:31am PT
and now it's got a foothold in Lagos, Africa's largest city
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/06/ebola-outbreak-nurse-nigeria-dies
Officials initially downplayed the risk of exposure, saying Sawyer had been immediately isolated when he collapsed on arrival at Lagos's bustling main airport two weeks ago.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 6, 2014 - 09:42am PT
^^^^^ That was a given almost two weeks ago as I noted on the first page, but it was largely
ignored or missed by mainstream media. Africa's reaction to the crisis is typical - call out the
troops. What do you suppose China's reaction will be given their status as the major player in
further plundering Africa's resources? This looks to quickly make the Ukraine look a sideshow
but that won't happen until Ebola starts having its way in the Italian or French banlieues.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Aug 6, 2014 - 09:52am PT
I think it's a given it's in the US population as well. Once it establishes a firm hold in Lagos, the expansion rate will be geometric. It won't burn through the population here like it will in West Africa, though. Superstition and fear play a big part in why it's spreading like it is. Dead bodies in the streets, hidden away in homes, etc. Terrible stuff.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Aug 6, 2014 - 09:59am PT
I don't think it's a given, yet. But it most likely will be. People are fleeing Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea at alarming rates. With an incubation of up to 21 days it's only a matter of time before individuals start to exhibit symptoms in their home countries.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Aug 6, 2014 - 10:44am PT
Give it another two weeks... If Lagos isn't stacking them like cordwood in the streets that should indicate this/these particular strains are not that virulent.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Aug 6, 2014 - 11:14am PT
stevep posted
Try this blog for a halfway decent look by someone who actually knows what they are talking about:

http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2014/08/02/ebola-is-already-in-the-united-states/

This is true if a bit specious. For one, saying "it's already here!" is a little disingenuous when it's "here but in highly controlled labs" not being passed from person to person. Secondly, recent events have exposed lapses in even these types of laboratories which led anthrax to be sent to a children's hospital in 2004 and misplaced anthrax again just a few months ago.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/29/us-usa-anthrax-risks-insight-idUSKBN0F40DY20140629

The Inspector General of the Department of Health and Human Services, CDC's parent agency, in reports released in 2008 and 2010, documented a long list of issues. CDC labs working with the most dangerous agents did not always ensure the physical security of the pathogens or restrict access to them, and did not always ensure that personnel received required training.

Now I'm personally not worried about the current ebola outbreak turning into a Hollywood pandemic and I think it is vital that these Americans be brought home for treatment because they will have the best chances to survive and not doing so would discourage others from being willing to do service work in the developing world. However, this does not mean that there is zero risk in bringing these people back and a mild amount of concern is warranted...just not cynical "oh yeah that's a GREAT idea" levels of concern. There needs to be pressure on the CDC and HHS to ensure that these facilities are being audited and run competently.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Aug 6, 2014 - 01:18pm PT
I agree.

Not a major risk, but when I hear Joe Blow on the news say that the CDC are the experts and know what they are doing then I have a one word response;

anthrax.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 6, 2014 - 01:39pm PT
Anytime you touch any surface, millions of germs
potentially make the leap from that cold,
impenetrable plastic to your warm, porous hands
and from there to your eyes, nose or mouth,
and then the Ebola virus will begin amplification.
Turning your body into a virus factory.

Imagine something takes over a Tesla car factory
and Twinkies start coming out the door instead of e-cars.


scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Aug 6, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
^^^^but Twinkies are nutritious and good for you
stevep

Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
Aug 6, 2014 - 04:47pm PT
Some idiot on CNN just said we could get hundreds of millions of deaths. Sorry, this just isn't that transmissible a virus. Since this latest outbreak started, both malaria and tuberculosis have killed more than 100,000 people. Try hard to keep things in perspective.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 6, 2014 - 06:11pm PT
Perspective.....sorry, as you know, that goes completely out the window once the media gets hold of a juicy issue.
What we are being serverd up is "the polar vortex" of epedemics.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 6, 2014 - 06:29pm PT
The hysteria isn't completely unwarranted given the extreme death rate, the
inability to treat people adequately in Africa, and the fact that it is a
virus and all that entails in terms of adaptability in a short term.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 6, 2014 - 06:36pm PT
Reilly...Monrovia , Liberia and the other Monrovia , Ca...Ebola outbreak...Inside info on outbreak....What else do you know...? Should we contact Chris Mac...? Come clean...rj
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Aug 6, 2014 - 08:11pm PT
From the CDC:

What about ill Americans with Ebola who are being brought to the U.S. for treatment? How is CDC protecting the American public?

CDC has very well-established protocols in place to ensure the safe transport and care of patients with infectious diseases back to the United States. These procedures cover the entire process -- from patients leaving their bedside in a foreign country to their transport to an airport and boarding a non-commercial airplane equipped with a special transport isolation unit, to their arrival at a medical facility in the United States that is appropriately equipped and staffed to handle such cases. CDCís role is to ensure that travel and hospitalization is done to minimize risk of spread of infection and to ensure that the American public is protected. Patients were evacuated in similar ways during SARS.

I would bet that many level 4 facilities have live Ebola for study. The only good thing about Ebola is that it is hard to transmit compared to something like Influenza.

The H1N1 virus looked like it was going to be far worse than it has so far been. It is highly transmissible.
jstan

climber
Aug 6, 2014 - 08:49pm PT
I have already taken action on Ebola. I am posting on ST at half my normal rate. If infection without substance is possible this will be an effective first step.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 6, 2014 - 08:59pm PT
CDC has very well-established protocols in place to ensure the safe transport and care of patients

Ok, lets take a look.

You can find all over the internet, pictures and video of the first patient arriving. What do we see? He is climbing off the back of a transport vehicle, scrambling off the bumper with the help of ONE person. You are telling me that it is part of the protocol to have people jump off the back of ambulances? What if he fell? Do you think that fancy isolation uniform would survive an impact with the cement? Do you think his skin would?

Most of you have been to a hospital, either yourself, or with a family member. Remember how they require you to enter and leave by a wheelchair??
That is so that people who are ill don't end up taking a header.

So what do they do???? They have him walk into the hospital.

So much for following protocols. Already they are broken.
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