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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 31, 2014 - 10:58pm PT
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Prop 13 didn't cut taxes. It just damped their rate of growth. Property taxes never went down in California. No tax cuts there.
Like a ratchet. Taxes in California only move in one direction. Up.
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 31, 2014 - 11:17pm PT
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Good looking female? Looked like a friggin skank to me
Glad fat dad isn't a da
The guy f*#ked up chasing them...but heat of the moment, extenuating circumstance of prior run ins with the same scums...voluntary manslaughter...then pin a medal on him, suspended sentence and take his guns away.
He could make a case that he feared they would return yet again...I would say they threatened to get a gun and come back.
When seconds count the cops are always minutes away
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 31, 2014 - 11:40pm PT
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I like how she begged for her life, even lying about being pregnant, yet was snuffed anyway. Right to the end, being duplicitous, and she saw how it paid off. I hope Mom saw it all.
She realized her mistake after it was too late, but she was too f*#king stupid to see it coming ahead of time.
The boyfriend probably put her up to it, but she's the one who chose a felon loser to be her boyfriend, which is 100% on her.
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overwatch
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Jul 31, 2014 - 11:48pm PT
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Too bad he didn't get that motherf*#ker too
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Chaz posted I like how she begged for her life, even lying about being pregnant, yet was snuffed anyway. Right to the end, being duplicitous, and she saw how it paid off. I hope Mom saw it all.
Quoting for posterity.
Chaz posted Where was my Obama tax break?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_Work_Pay_tax_credit
Didn't even see a tax cut right under your own nose. Probably spent the money on Birther paraphenalia. By the way, if California is so awful, why don't you move? Apparently it's a terrible, terrible place to live and full of people who aren't nearly as hateful as you are.
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climber
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Good one
"quoting for posterity"
Don't bother. I doubt Chaz will suddenly come back and delete after wringing his hands over what you guys think
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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He feared for his life. He was justified in his actions.
Although the perp/victim had removed herself as an immediate threat to him, he did not know if it would return.
Unfortunately, he may still be found guilty of a crime.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Prop 13 didn't cut taxes. It just damped their rate of growth. Property taxes never went down in California. No tax cuts there.
Like a ratchet. Taxes in California only move in one direction. Up.
The best you can do is just to make stuff up? Really? That's your intellectual firepower?
The most significant portion of the act is the first paragraph, which limited the tax rate for real estate:
Section 1. (a) The maximum amount of any ad valorem tax on real property shall not exceed one percent (1%) of the full cash value of such property. The one percent (1%) tax to be collected by the counties and apportioned according to law to the districts within the counties.
<which means that if it was higher than 1%, you got a tax cut>
The proposition decreased property taxes by assessing property values at their 1975 value and restricted annual increases of assessed value of real property to an inflation factor, not to exceed 2% per year. It also prohibited reassessment of a new base year value except for in cases of (a) change in ownership, or (b) completion of new construction.
In addition to decreasing property taxes, the initiative also contained language requiring a two-thirds majority in both legislative houses for future increases of any state tax rates or amounts of revenue collected, including income tax rates.
Unlike a carpetbagger like yourself, I was actually here and lived through it. It produced a TAX CUT.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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If you choose to keep a gun in your home for protection (I do) you have to be very clear, in your mind, what type of situation calls for the use of deadly force and what does not. Clearly, shooting someone in the back as they flee a crime scene does not.
Even if they injured you and even if you think they have robbed you previously, shooting someone in the back as they are trying to get away crosses the line between self defense and revenge. Any gun owner who cannot make this distinction might want to think twice about their reason for having a gun in he first place.
Perhaps a fair deal would be for the old guy to plead guilty to a felony charge in exchange for no hard time (losing his right to own a gun,) and the dirt-bag who got the young woman involved in the crime in the first place should have the book thrown at him.
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overwatch
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Why does everyone assume the delicate flower was led astray by the doodsh?
I didn't see that anywhere in the op article but I couldn't get to the last page for some reason, out wouldn't click to it on my pos phone. I don't watch tv news
I just read through the article again and out actually calls the dude the accomplice which indicates equal culpability to me.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Why does everyone assume the delicate flower was led astray by the doodsh?
News reports, and of course they are always right...
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Even if they injured you and even if you think they have robbed you previously, shooting someone in the back as they are trying to get away crosses the line between self defense and revenge. Any gun owner who cannot make this distinction might want to think twice about their reason for having a gun in he first place.
Spot on.
He was justified in responding to the initial threat in his home with deadly force. But chasing and shooting can't be justified under any state's self-defense doctrines (much less morally, imo).
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Glad fat dad isn't a da Got an offer to work at the DA's after graduating but was hoping to get a job instead with the PD's office, which never happened.
I couldn't be a prosecutor. Too many tough calls that you don't always have the discretion to charge or not, depending on how politically motivated the head DA is. Having said that, given that my tendency is to give people the benefit of the doubt, I don't have alot of leeway to give this old guy. I think it's that clear he acted out of revenge, not self defense.
Why is it that people that push so hard for the right to bear arms are the first ones to say it wasn't my fault when they shoot someone? Hunting accidents, confrontations gone wrong, etc. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? If the cops had treated a fleeing criminal this way, would we be having this discussion?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Do you recall they repeatedly assaulted the old man? breaking his collar bone, no less? This isn't nearly so black n white as "shooting someone in the back" or "in cold blood" suggests. Who's to say not trying to stop them wouldn't lead to more similar incidents the next night or next week. Like John Wayne said, "Don't like the treatment, stop robbing the banks."
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overwatch
climber
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Not enough gun owners seek out realistic tactical training under stress along with class room time on legalities of deadly force, which should be mandatory in my opinion
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