Should 80-year-old homeowner be charged with murder?

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Rudder

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 31, 2014 - 01:32pm PT
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/31/opinion/navarrette-shooting-pregnant-intruder/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 31, 2014 - 01:37pm PT
damn right
even though apparently she wasn't pregnant.
But hey, she was a scumbag, ergo she deserved to die.
skitch

climber
East of Heaven
Jul 31, 2014 - 01:46pm PT
Once you hit 80 you should be allowed to kill at least one person, plus what freedoms are you taking from them if you put em in jail???
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Jul 31, 2014 - 01:55pm PT
Hey Dirty Old Harry, next time just run her over with the Buick like a normal 80 year old.

Sheesh.
Rudder

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2014 - 01:58pm PT
If you think he won't escape prosecution, don't forget the case of Joe Horn:

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5278638

labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Jul 31, 2014 - 02:12pm PT
"If you shoot an intruder at your house make sure they stay in the house. If they crawl out of the house and die drag them back in....."

I was told that by an old girlfriend many years ago. She had learned that from the law enforcement in Texas where she grew up.

80 year old be should be prosecuted and go away for most if not all of his remaining life. No way he should have gone that far in my opinion.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 31, 2014 - 02:29pm PT
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JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 31, 2014 - 02:40pm PT
The other criminal should pay the heavier price for the killing.

The surviving burglar almost certianly will, under the felony-murder rules. At least under California law, the homoeowner is still criminally liable, too, if a reasonable person would conclude that his or her life or safety is no longer in jeopardy from the intruder. On the facts presented, a trier of fact could find second degree murder or voluntary manslaughter.

I suspect the homeowner will do little hard time, though, unless the sentencing judge thinks he remains a real threat to society. California prisons are so crowded, we're seeing a lot of "catch and release" law enforcement here.

John
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 31, 2014 - 04:02pm PT
Don't break into people's houses and you won't get shot. Is if that f*#king hard to comprehend?
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jul 31, 2014 - 05:37pm PT
Having been broken into three times and three times been told by my local PD that "we don't really spend much energy investigating property crimes...budget cuts and all you know"...I think we are at the point where what choice do we have but to protect our own.

The most recent ripper attempt was botched by my wife walking in on the perps who split out the back after whacking her with the door first to stall her entry. She ran them down well enough to get positive IDs but the local PD didn't give a crap.

So I paid a ex-Marine Recon friend of a friend to find the scumbags and although I asked for none of the details...they were "convinced" to at least leave my place alone.

Next time we will shoot them.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 31, 2014 - 05:48pm PT
LOL,

At once upon a time I built a couple of tile plants.

That was back before the AQMD and EPA ran them all off to China.

Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jul 31, 2014 - 05:55pm PT
Jim - I don't worry about jail - I live in California where you negotiate a price with the judge, write a check and all is good.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 31, 2014 - 05:55pm PT
Those poor pill heads. I'll make sure I scream I'm pregnant when I'm breaking the next 80 yr. old's collar bone on my 3rd robbery attempt.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jul 31, 2014 - 06:20pm PT
I call BS - firstly, it's those same coppers who set the expectations of the citizenry. Not my fault they can't or won't live up to those same set of standards. Interesting to note that while they won't go after rippers, they have no problems funding officers to cruise through shopping mall parking lots ticketing expired registrations. Difference - one investigation generates no revenue while the other garners fine money. Law and Order is all about the money these days.

Taxation - again, I live in Taxafornia. The problem isn't that I don't pay enough taxes, it's that the money is diverted into overblown and underfunded pension plans for the so-called "public servants".

As for your third point - when those who are sworn and paid to "protect and serve" no longer do so - I see no reason why a free citizen cannot do so themselves.

sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 31, 2014 - 06:20pm PT
Can they pass the Canadian citizenship test?

crankster

Trad climber
Jul 31, 2014 - 06:51pm PT
Pursued them outside the house. 2nd degree murder or maybe manslaughter. Lock him up.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 31, 2014 - 07:13pm PT
This isn't the first time this crew robbed that old guy. They had been there twice before.

Being how this old guy's house was on the robbers regular route, he had every reason to believe that they would return. Every time they robbed this old guy, they escalated the level of violence. Concluding with body slamming the 80-year-old on his head, breaking his collarbone. Following the pattern the thugs demonstrated, the next time they showed up it was going to be worse.

The authorities had multiple chances to arrest the thugs, but failed to do so. They better not come after the old guy, after they failed to do their job.

The dead bitch's Mom was arrested for murder, too. It seems she was working as a "lookout" for her bitch daughter and her bitch daughter's scumbag boyfriend. She did a piss-poor job of looking out apparently, and now her bitch daughter is dead, and she'll have a new home in The Joint. I hope she got a good look at the shooting, so her bitch daughter's begging for her life, gurgling, gagging and death throes will give something to remember forever about her last days of freedom.

clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jul 31, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
Bring the liberals and conservatives together by developing a safe method for aborting unwanted pregnancies by firearm.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 31, 2014 - 07:32pm PT
.22 smith and wesson did the job...what's all the racket about needing a .45 to stop an aggressor...? NRA marketing ploy...?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 31, 2014 - 07:33pm PT
Mr Brennan writes:

"If successfully shaking your fist at government waste and then decrying the lack of performance by police because you voted them into insignificance through tax cuts equals logical thinking, I can understand why cartoons are the prime time favourites of Americans."



Tell me about "tax cuts" in California, because I must have missed those.

We get tax increases here. No cuts.
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