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michael feldman
Mountain climber
millburn, nj
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 29, 2014 - 01:39pm PT
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I am considering the new Dynafit Radical ST 2.0 or the Dynafit Beast binding. I will be primarily skiing at resorts (black diamonds, some moguls, etc.), but doing some back country and doing more ski mountaineering (thus, the AT bindings). Assume price is not an issue. Please let me know your thoughts/comments on these bindings for this use as I know there is no "better." My primary concern with the Beast is I understand it is not good for ski mountaineering on flat terrain (which sometimes presents itself). My primary concern with the ST 2.0 is possible poor release on a twisting fall (think moguls), though I understand this has improved in the new 2.0 version. I do not need the extra DIN in the Beast, so that's a non-issue. Many thanks for any input!
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Jul 29, 2014 - 02:56pm PT
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Price not an issue?
Get a set up for in area and another for backcountry.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Jul 29, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
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What % of each. If you're 75% in resorts or side country, get something like Marker Dukes.
And what do you mean by ski mountaineering? Do you want something that will accept boots with lugged soles that will work on rock and ice? In that case maybe you would be better with a Dynafit setup.
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mueffi 49
Trad climber
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Jul 29, 2014 - 03:23pm PT
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e Fritschi Freeride would fit you better
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michael feldman
Mountain climber
millburn, nj
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 29, 2014 - 03:26pm PT
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I meant price is not an issue between the bindings, not overall. Yes, I know I could just get multiple skis, but that's not happening.
I hope to do more ski mountaineering (think Denali, Alaska peaks, Washington State approaches and maybe descents) - all of which have previously been approached on snow shoes. Depending on the trip, I would want to climb in my ski boots (or rock shoes as appropriate). However, I also understand I might occasionally bring a separate pair of boots just for climbing. We are also getting a vacation home in the mountains, so I hope to get some local uphill skiing in. However, when with my family, I will be skiing at resorts in NY and maybe a trip a year out West.
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Gimp
Trad climber
Missoula, MT & "Pourland", OR
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Jul 29, 2014 - 03:47pm PT
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IMO I would go with a tech binding. Don't think Dynafit has a lock on the market anymore and the new G3 tech binding coming out definitely looks interesting. I have both Dynafit and Fritschi set-ups and would say if you are not focused on skiing moguls you will not go wrong with the Dynafits (or alternative tech bindings). Really doubt Fritschi's perform any better in-bounds for most skiers they just have a more convenient step in then tech bindings.
That said my 19 year old son (who has been skiing since 3) who goes to MSU in Bozeman so he can make sure he gets his 100 days a year on skis is biased toward Marker Barons like many of his peers. He skis hard and sees no reason to need the added wt and increased DIN on Dukes. He has skied tech bindings but hates the fiddle factor, however, he admits they are probably in his future.
Biggest hazard in my experience with tech bindings is making sure you don't have ice buildup under the toe clamp. Pay attention!
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crankster
Trad climber
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Jul 29, 2014 - 03:52pm PT
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I would get a modern, lightweight tech binding/boot (Radical or equal, not the Beast) and as the budget allows pick up a pair of downhill boards at a ski swap. I see decent quality downhill stuff in So. Tahoe for $200 at swaps. That said, plenty of folks ski their Dynafit's inbounds with no issues.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Jul 29, 2014 - 04:08pm PT
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The best discussion I've read on the questions you ask is in the Comments section at http://www.wildsnow.com/1428/ski-bindings-din-settings/
Lots of comments there. Jump down to the 2014 posts and a particularly interesting dialogue between some Shames locals (northern B.C.), who ski Dynafits all the time in the resort and sidecountry, and Ptor Spricenieks, a well known steep big mtn skier, and of course Dynafit "guru" Lou.
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Jul 29, 2014 - 04:54pm PT
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historically, everyone who buys fritchis sells them after a season and gets dynafiddles, or they only ski out bounds once or twice a season and a heavy at binding is fine.
get two sets of skis. gear is cheap right now and about any decent ski works fine for resort skiing. if you are doing big peak touring you'll appreciate the weight savings a tech binding offers.
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Ben Harland
Gym climber
Kenora, ON
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Jul 29, 2014 - 05:23pm PT
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I agree with everybody above me. I have taken Fritschi Freerides to the ski hill before. Never again!
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Pie
Trad climber
So-Cal
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Jul 29, 2014 - 05:32pm PT
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are you considering the 2.0 Radicals vs. the Beast 16 or the Beast 14? The 2.0 Radicals and the Mini Beast haven't been released yet. If money is not an issue, why not get 2 setups for in bounds and BC? Radicals on the BC skis and pick up a cheap pair of resort beaters on TGR?
If you have to have a 1 ski quiver, Radicals if BC is your primary focus for long touring, and mini beast if your rippin more in bounds with a bit of slack country. My 2 cents
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nah000
climber
canuckistan
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Jul 29, 2014 - 06:39pm PT
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i'll second Pie's comment about getting a couple setups. my two cents:
don't compromise trying to do everything with one setup.
figure out which setup you want to spend money on and then get what is best for that application. for the other just pick up used. trying to buy the same outfit for resort mogul skiing and ski touring [if you are even somewhat serious about both] is just about equally as absurd as trying to find a rig that will excel at both water and snow skiing...
unless you're 200 pounds or hucking large cliffs, the beast bindings are complete overkill when you are in the backcountry. i've been skiing dynafit for almost 15 years, and while i don't ski resorts much anymore i haven't owned a ski with a downhill [or even non-dynafit] binding for the last 5 or so. ie. i've done a lot of skiing both in and out of bounds, including hucking some pretty good size cliffs, with light dynafit bindings and they've never let me down...
unless your passion is resort skiing, or you are quite large, get pretty much the lightest dynafit [or other tech] binding you can and pair it with a ski that best suits the type of terrain you most enjoy skiing...
at least you are on the right track going with a tech binding for backcountry.
non-tech backcountry bindings are, ime, a complete waste of time. like a one ski quiver, you end up with something that sucks at everything.
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east side underground
climber
Hilton crk,ca
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Jul 29, 2014 - 07:06pm PT
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been riding Fritschi frreerides for years on the hill and backcountry, never a problem, my bro went back to Fritschi from Dynafits because he has a very large boot size and when he loaded the ski heavily, as the ski flexed he had a problem pre- releaseing. Different strokes for different folks, there all good , personal preference.
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east side underground
climber
Hilton crk,ca
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Jul 29, 2014 - 07:28pm PT
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JIm my bro is 6'6 but only about 180 lbs but he has a size 15 foot . I think it's the extreme size of his shell that gave him problems. I ride 300mm shells so my pinner feet are no problem. Great for the gay tray no toe drag! PRAY FOR SNOW! cheers
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Jul 29, 2014 - 08:30pm PT
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Late July post on ski gear love it. The true mountaineers are restless!!! I'm so done with summer, we haven't burned up yet but there's a long ways to go.....typically till late Oct. here on the west slope. BTW I've never had buyers remorse on any ski gear I've purchased. Nothing but good choices out there, you'll enjoy.
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barry ohm
Trad climber
escondido, ca
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Jul 29, 2014 - 08:37pm PT
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Where the Dynafits really shine is on longer tours because you dont have to pick up the frame with your boot each step you take.They are light weight And the location of the toe atachement pivot point improves your stride while they ski well on the way down. If thats what your looking to do go light, go light go light.
Like others have stated i have diffrent skis for the backcountry and one for the resort as I prefer not only a beefier binding but more important I prefer a heavier more performance orientated ski at the resort.I think the punishment of skiing 50 plus days at the resort a year would put to much wear and tear on my dynafit rig.
As far as the Beast, they are running some specials on them as they did not sell that great. Most people who swear by Dynafits are looking to set up a ski as light as possible.
Finaly my two cents are invest in a good pair of boots that you can use in a Dynafit binding and alpine binding. Many of the new Boots have Incredible range of motion in walk mode, La Sportiva Spectre, Duynafit TLT, Scarpa Maestrale and people have used them to climb vertical Ice and snow.The most important thing is fit, Go to a reputable shop with a Boot fitter and go from there.like its been said, you can find good buys on used Skis then take them too get tuned.
Cheers
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