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climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 28, 2014 - 08:51pm PT
Neither Democrats or Republicans work for the voting public. Voters are not their constituency anymore.

They work for one group only. Donors. The public gets served only along lines that happen to correspond with the needs of wealthy interests.

You do not live in a democratic republic at all. I'm not sure what to call it.

Your vote is meaningless. Both candidates with any chance to win have been found acceptable to the donor class long before you get to vote on them.

Our so called form of Democracy is truly just opium for the masses.

Read this .. it's nothing new. These types of memo's have been leaked before suggesting that any candidate spend at least half their time fundraising. Or more. Not working for the people.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/28/michelle-nunn-fundraising_n_5628018.html

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2014 - 08:59pm PT
Nah.. It's just reinforced daily.. What bugs me is that it is so clear these days. it's not really even hidden anymore. Yet folks sit around pretending that republicans or democrats are worse than each other. When in fact they are basically working for the same donors.

For example what's the biggest single campaign item reported on during the runnup to presidential elections. It is how much each primary candidate has managed to raise. How many times do you hear.. "so and so is not viable he simply has not raised enough money"

bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Jul 28, 2014 - 09:06pm PT
I hear ya, but well entrenched Eric Cantor of Virginia got taken out recently by some no name guy who had about 20k in the bank. I know, it was Eric Cantor, but he wasn't supposed to lose and he did. I guess there is a glimmer of hope occasionally.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 28, 2014 - 09:09pm PT
We still have two parties in government.

One stands for Big Government.

The other one stands for REALLY Big Government.

Take your choice.
crankster

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 09:11pm PT
Lazy stuff, this "they're all the same". You are not paying close enough attention.

It's the VOTERS fault. They are stupid enough to be swayed by negative political ads on TV!

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2014 - 09:12pm PT
I hear ya, but well entrenched Eric Cantor of Virginia got taken out recently by some no name guy who had about 20k in the bank. I know, it was Eric Cantor, but he wasn't supposed to lose and he did. I guess there is a glimmer of hope occasionally.


He lost a primary.. the donor side still has one candidate in the race. Who will probably win.

Sure there are exceptions .. but they just prove the rule.
crankster

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 09:21pm PT
Your problem is with the Supreme Court and their interpretation of the constitution.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/supreme-court-strikes-down-limits-on-federal-campaign-donations/2014/04/02/54e16c30-ba74-11e3-9a05-c739f29ccb08_story.html
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 28, 2014 - 09:23pm PT
If government power was cut down to size, political donations would dry up to nothing, because campaign donations would be a bad investment.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2014 - 09:29pm PT
Government power is vast. ALWAYS. (or it's not a much of a government and you have a land in disarray) Thus our founders tried to design a government that was forced to use that power to serve the people. I am not at all in favor of weak government. Chaos is often worse than tyranny.

Sadly they did not foresee the power of wealthy interests and our systems weakness in being corrupted to serve it instead.

Ok that's not quite true. Some of them definately felt that only wealthy interests should be served. Those guys kinda succeeded. This is not a new battle in the USA.. it's just pathetic how badly the people are losing it.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2014 - 09:37pm PT
It's not in there perhaps.

The question is this

How do "We the people"

"establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity"

I do not think it is best for the people to have a government that serves only the highest bidder.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jul 28, 2014 - 09:41pm PT
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/28/war-coming-paul-craig-roberts/


July 28, 2014
War Is Coming - Paul Craig Roberts

The extraordinary propaganda being conducted against Russia by the US and UK governments and Ministries of Propaganda, a.k.a., the “Western media,” have the purpose of driving the world to war that no one can win. European governments need to rouse themselves from insouciance, because Europe will be the first to be vaporized due to the US missile bases that Europe hosts to guarantee its “security.”

As reported by Tyler Durden of Zero Hedge, the Russian response to the extra-legal ruling of a corrupt court in the Netherlands, which had no jurisdiction over the case on which it ruled, awarding $50 billion dollars from the Russian government to shareholders of Yukos, a corrupt entity that was looting Russia and evading taxes, is telling. Asked what Russia would do about the ruling, an adviser to President Putin replied, “There is a war coming in Europe.” Do you really think this ruling matters?”

The West has ganged up on Russia, because the West is totally corrupt. The wealth of the elites is based not only on looting weaker countries whose leaders can be purchased (read John Perkins’ Confessions of an Economic Hit Man for instruction on how the looting works), but also on looting their own citizens. The American elites excel at looting their fellow citizens and have wiped out most of the US middle class in the new 21st century.

In contrast, Russia has emerged from tyranny and from a government based on lies, while the US and UK submerge into tyranny shielded by lies. Western elites desire to loot Russia, a juicy prize, and there stands Putin in the way. The solution is to get rid of him like they got rid of President Yanukovich in Ukraine.

The looting elites and the neoconservative hegemonists have the same goal: make Russia a vassal state. This goal unites the Western financial imperialists with the political imperialists.

I have recorded for readers the propaganda that is used in order to demonize Putin and Russia. But even I was stunned by the astounding and vicious lies in the UK publication The Economist on July 26. The cover is Putin’s face in a spider web, and, you guessed it, the cover story is “A Web of Lies.”

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21608645-vladimir-putins-epic-deceits-have-grave-consequences-his-people-and-outside-world-web?spc=scode&spv=xm&ah=9d7f7ab945510a56fa6d37c30b6f1709

You need to read this propaganda both in order to see the gutter level of propaganda in the West and the obvious drive to war with Russia. There is no evidence whatsoever in the story to support The Economist’s wild accusations and demand for the end of Western “appeasement” of Russia and the harshest possible action against Putin.

The kind of reckless lies and transparent propaganda that comprises The Economist’s story has no other purpose than to drive the world to war.

The Western elites and governments are not merely totally corrupt, they are insane. As I have previously written, don’t expect to live much longer. In this video one of Putin’s advisors and Russian journalists speak openly of US plans for a first strike on Russia:

http://financearmageddon.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/official-warning-u-s-to-hit-russia-with.html
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2014 - 09:44pm PT
Meh no point in worrying about that if true Tom.

Then again might not be much point to worrying about what I'm saying either. Just once in a while I want to scream out a bit of truth with the hope that the people will all see it and demand a return of their government that has been stolen from them.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 28, 2014 - 09:46pm PT
"Sadly they did not foresee the power of wealthy interests and our systems weakness in being corrupted to serve it instead."


They certainly foresaw it. Why do you think the words "shall not" "will not" and "no" appear so many times in The Constitution? The Constitution's all about limits.

The problem is The Constitution lacks the teeth to back itself up. It left that to our elected represenitives, who drop the ball time and again, because they're a big part of the problem.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2014 - 09:49pm PT
Perhaps not Randisi. The robber baron's are nothing new.

No.. I do think it did exist early on in our nations history... perhaps the first 20 or 30 years.

If not and in any case... it should exist.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jul 28, 2014 - 11:38pm PT
One of the few things Sen. McCain ever got right was campaign finance reform.

Curt
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Jul 29, 2014 - 04:26am PT
Yes, unfortunately the whole political system has just become an extention of Hollywood. Its intent is to mislead and deceive the publc into thinking they have a voice or say. We are ruled by "special interest" who have a completely separate agenda then what is good for the people of this nation. Divide and conquer, what do you think the whole repub/ democrat thing is about now? Its simply to divide us and distract the American public from what is really going on, and allow no bridge building of any kind. The wholesale looting of our nation has begun, and its not going to be pretty.
crankster

Trad climber
Jul 29, 2014 - 06:49am PT
If you're just now figuring out that $$ rules in politics, well, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Try running for a local office in your community. Try spending no $$ when your neighbor is raising $$ like crazy. Two things will happen: 1. you lose, or 2. you raise $$.

You need $$ to get your message out. You need $$ to counter the attacks your opponents put out. You need $$ because it influences the way people vote.

Again, your problem is with the Supreme Court. And voters.

Public financing and extreme limits on spending get my vote.


And people who believe this bs are the biggest part of the problem:
That, no matter your "party" affiliation should be refreshing. The next and most obvious problem we have is the absolutely controlled and biased major news medias- nothing more than butt puppets to our corrupt govt.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 29, 2014 - 07:12am PT
huh?

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 29, 2014 - 07:13am PT
It so f*#king sucks to be American! Wah!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where's my starbucks?

DMT

Fair point DMT. Being a disenfranchised citizen of the USA is somewhat of a first world problem. Perhaps the definition of it. Lol

But it is irksome.

I'm am not at all for a government so poorly run as to destroy the ability of corporations to flourish. It might sound that way but it would be really terrible for society if we did not have the GEs the Boeings, the Ford's, various Communications systems.. on an on.

I would like to see the laws of the land and the taxes spent benefit the people more than they now do. Everyone needs a seat at the table. We have mostly lost ours.

Real representation. Seems like a reasonable desire.

Ron..Media is a major issue. But I do not think the government controls it. More the other way around.



climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 29, 2014 - 07:40am PT
Dingus. I'm certainly not advocating for real democracy. I want quality brilliant hard working representatives to do excellent work. I want people hired to craft and adjust quality laws. I want them to be paid by the people we want them to work for (US)I want them to have the time needed to research and learn about the stuff they pass laws on.

I want them to do the best they can for our society, wage earners and business alike. To strike a good balance if never a perfect one that cannot exist.

Basically I'm talking grade school level elective representative republic stuff here.

But at the moment the people have lost their seat at the table.. once in a while they barge into the room and yell a bit gain a concession if it's not too much to ask... then are quickly ushered out the adults go back to work.

I am very tired of hearing Republicans are fascists.. democrats are socialists... as if those political parties even matter anymore. Which political party you like is not even relevant when it comes to what our problems are politically.

Who the representatives work for is the problem.
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