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jstan
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Jul 28, 2014 - 10:19pm PT
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Wayne:
I was too cursory in my reply to your question and it is I who needs to apologize. I hope my second attempt was at least a little better than the first. But being human, there are no guarantees. I did not look at the lol because it was immediately apparent I had botched it.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Jul 28, 2014 - 10:39pm PT
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You are a good man, John Stannard. You understand the difficulties we face when trying to have a civil discourse and injecting some humor when we take ourselves too seriously. I'm not sure what this has to do with being a "humanist" though. Those labels.;)
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jul 28, 2014 - 11:03pm PT
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What could be my intention if I questioned the good intention behind jstans answer? ^^^^
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jstan
climber
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Jul 28, 2014 - 11:15pm PT
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Lincoln had something to say about this during the Lincoln Douglass debates.
Douglass harped upon the idea that Lincoln intended to end the practice of slavery. Lincoln's reply was that if the Honorable Stephen Douglass tells you what it is that I intend,
he is telling you something that he cannot know.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 29, 2014 - 03:58am PT
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Gotcha covered, Wayno. Yer good to go as well, JStan.
The Pinnacle of Justice in California?
Chessman was not just a good writer, as Davis suggests. He was something even more remarkable: a good thinker whose clarity of mind and ability to bring his thoughts directly to the page—given the circumstances, the harassment, sheer numbing stupidity, stench and chaos of San Quentin—evokes the great humanist philosophers. And the story of how he came to write The Face of Justice recalls something Solzhenitsyn would have endured at the gulag. As one reads his account of it, one can’t help but wonder, “This happened in America?”
--from a post by Jim Newman at Skeptic Money which comments on another essay about Chessman by yet another writer--it's very confusing
http://www.skepticmoney.com/victor-stenger-does-a-great-job-on-free-will-caryl-chessman-lives/
QINTL, another Weston.Turned out the guy was from Pittsburgh! Not so tough, after all.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jul 29, 2014 - 06:28am PT
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Mouse ,If you are from Pittsburgh,you ARE going to die.
Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism).
First sentence from Wiki.
Which I am,in part.Recovering from a strict Catholic upbringing.
If it matters.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jul 29, 2014 - 06:57am PT
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Which I am,in part.Recovering from a strict Catholic upbringing.
It seems the current Pope is also.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Jul 29, 2014 - 07:19am PT
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Beware of ists and isms.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jul 29, 2014 - 07:29am PT
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Beware of idealists. They get other people killed but rarely dirty their own hands.
DMT
Back on the bolting thing?
Don't be so sensitive.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jul 29, 2014 - 08:00am PT
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"I am a humanist, which means, in part,..."
That you ARE human, just like the rest of us.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 29, 2014 - 08:30am PT
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Beware of ists and isms.
Well, we're all of us one of those whether we like to admit it or knott.
Of course the Irish are famously humanistic. As a wee lad growing up in
Cork I was at Sunday Catechism class. One of the mums was standing in for
one of the nuns. She proceeded thusly:
"If I sold my house and my car, had a big garage sale and gave all my money to the church, would that get me into heaven?"
"NO!" we all cried in unison.
"If I cleaned the church every day, mowed the garden, and kept everything tidy, would that get me into heaven?"
Again, the answer was "NO!"
"If I gave sweets to all the children, and loved my husband, would that get me into heaven?"
Again, we all answered "NO!"
She was clearly bursting with pride for us. She continued,
"Then how can I get into heaven?"
Breandan shouted out: "YOOV GOTTA BE FOOKN' DEAD!"
And sure you thought it would have been me with the rejoinder.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Jul 29, 2014 - 08:45am PT
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Humanism: Man is his own god.
How selfish, amoral, and untrue.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 29, 2014 - 08:46am PT
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Randisi, glad to see that you have a sense of humour. ;-)
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Jul 29, 2014 - 10:00am PT
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Homo Spiritus will come along and there won't be any room for our silliness. We will suffer the fate of Neanderthal.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 17, 2014 - 12:58pm PT
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Thread Renaissance
or Partial Recall Due to Faulty Ignition
Why
is the wrong word because lurking in that word is the anthropological bias that some sort of intention is in control. There is no data to suggest intention. It is a bias.
Six weeks later...
Time to decant the vintage.
Wayno, got a corkscrew?
Let us drink to Leon Battista Alberti, a priest and a humanist, among other things. He is the definition of a renaissance man for many historians.
"As an artist, Alberti distinguished himself from the ordinary craftsman, educated in workshops. He was a humanist, and part of the rapidly expanding entourage of intellectuals and artisans supported by the courts of the princes and lords of the time. Alberti, as a member of noble family and as part of the Roman curia, had special status."--Wikipendium
Being a priestly humanist may sound like an oxymoron. I'll just refer the doubters to Danny DeVito, who cannot jump over another human being, unlike Monsignor Alberti.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Battista_Alberti
This thread is not meant to die and go to Thread Heaven, not yet.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Sep 17, 2014 - 02:44pm PT
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I love the internets... such an advanced technology where I can post pictures of my cats and argue with people I don't know... fabulous.
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Bad Fiducci
climber
Wilson, WY
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Sep 18, 2014 - 06:02am PT
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Do you know what "heck" is? That's where you go if you don't believe in "gosh".
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Nov 22, 2014 - 12:03pm PT
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Seems as though the Renaissance Christian humanist tradition is dead or in th long process of dieing because Homer, Virgil, Dante, Milton, Spencer no longer form part of the core curriculum even in private, let alone public institutions of learning. It's all point and click today coupled with the cult of instant gratification. "Why should I have to read that old crap? It won't get me high or laid or help me make a quick buck!"
O Tempora, O Mores!
 Cicero
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