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jstan

climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 08:30am PT
Why? Because you are assuming there is intention somewhere. An intention like that you think you have. You know very little about what you have. Pick one of the conscious threads here.

Humans are hugely anthropocentric. We feel we are the only important animal and everything is modeled on us. Someone who looks just like us is ruling everything that happens on trillions of planets. Some of them moving away from us so fast light can't even reach them.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jul 28, 2014 - 08:33am PT
QITNL

I do like your no logo logo-point. It's a great logo and you're arguing well... you, the self-employed ^^^

By the way: the zen guys could argue that there's nothing, and not something...

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Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Jul 28, 2014 - 08:38am PT
You assume that I assume. You know very little of what I assume. I assume little. The concoius threads here assume more than I care to assume.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jul 28, 2014 - 08:41am PT

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Anastasia

climber
Home
Jul 28, 2014 - 09:35am PT
BLUEBLOCR,

Yes I agree with you to a point if you can "effect" the situation in a positive way. I found myself in many circumstance that the other person has made up their mind, are beyond working out solutions. Instead they are in a hate/anger fest and... I'm just over it. If they want to live there fine... I will not join them. I rather just take myself out of the situation and be useful somewhere else. I would love to be in a good place with all the people around me yet... I also know that's not an agenda that everyone shares/needs/ lives by. Instead it's about ego and I will not be part of that.

As for fighting it out, only if both parties can fight fairly. I fight with my spouse and it's never bad because... We fight with a great respect towards each other. It usually ends up with a few giggles and a good solution.

:) AFS
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 28, 2014 - 10:15am PT


I've got to cool myself down stompin' around
Thinkin' some words I can't name ya
Meet ya halfway got nothin' to say
Still I don't s'pose I can blame ya
Seems to me you don't wanna talk about it
Seems to me you just turn your pretty head
Walk Away

Or, just turn your pretty head and float on up into the sky, assuming that you CAN.
The Assumption of the Blessed Mother into Heaven.  Or so it seems.
The Assumption of the Blessed Mother into Heaven. Or so it seems.
Credit: mouse from merced

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donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2014 - 04:22pm PT
Interesting article in this weeks Time magazine about Atheist "churches" springing up in the Bible Belt.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 28, 2014 - 04:46pm PT
Trickle Down Humanism?
go-B

climber
Cling to what is good!
Jul 28, 2014 - 05:44pm PT

Isaiah 64:8 But now, O Lord, You are our Father,
We are the clay, and You our potter;
And all of us are the work of Your hand.

I'm a human made by God! :)
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2014 - 05:47pm PT
Go-B, with all respect, that is your take...I believe that "God" has been made by humans.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 28, 2014 - 07:07pm PT
I'm a Donnist, which means I'm a bad ass from Philly.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 28, 2014 - 07:08pm PT
You atheist are going to burn at the philly cheese stake...
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 28, 2014 - 07:17pm PT
Not if you are from Pittsburgh.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jul 28, 2014 - 07:21pm PT
Secular Humanist - welcome to the club
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Jul 28, 2014 - 07:36pm PT
I'm a bad ass from Philly.

I thought Philly was where Baltimore toughs went for their days off...
jstan

climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 08:11pm PT
Jstan
Jul 28, 2014 - 12:48am PT
Because if you wait long enough nothing will always have become something.

Wayno
But why? lol.

Wayne:
I'll amplify.

If I had said " The Heisenberg uncertainty principle permits violation of energy conservation as long as that violation exists for such a short time that the violation can't be measured." (This is an answer to the question "HOW is it that this is so." That's the way nature is. (If you would like to know more, google "Planck Time.")

I did not say that because you would have immediately come back with, "Why is nature this way?"
Why is the wrong word because lurking in that word is the anthropological bias that some sort of intention is in control. There is no data to suggest intention. It is a bias.

There is no why. There is a how. Some of the Hows we know. Some are theories yet to be affirmed. And others we have not yet a clue.

That is how it is right now. There is no why.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jul 28, 2014 - 08:48pm PT
..I believe that "God" has been made by humans.

I believe Yoda and E.T. have been made by very intelligent humans.

I am still hoping for a flying carpet.
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Jul 28, 2014 - 09:39pm PT
No, John, you are right. You quoted the lol but I think you missed it. I was being facetious and I apologize. I never took this thread seriously and I can't always help it if somebody misunderstands. You obviously have a deeper understanding of such things and I have tried, but I do not have the patience to digest the acumen that abounds on those threads that you mentioned.
jstan

climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 10:19pm PT
Wayne:
I was too cursory in my reply to your question and it is I who needs to apologize. I hope my second attempt was at least a little better than the first. But being human, there are no guarantees. I did not look at the lol because it was immediately apparent I had botched it.
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Jul 28, 2014 - 10:39pm PT
You are a good man, John Stannard. You understand the difficulties we face when trying to have a civil discourse and injecting some humor when we take ourselves too seriously. I'm not sure what this has to do with being a "humanist" though. Those labels.;)
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