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The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:42am PT
Make room for a kid: crap on your neighbors lawn instead of in a toilet.

It does suck that we aren't taking better care of the poor & orphans already in the country. Though, don't most orphans here already have food and shelter?

If these refugee kids are mostly fleeing gangs & cartels that are a result of the drug trade (of which the U.S. is a huge contributor), then it's not a bad thing to help them.

Doesn't fix the problem, but it does help refugee children. In the end, the world needs to stop thinking "us" and "them". We are all in the sh#t together.
John M

climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:44am PT
I can only wonder why such programs dont exist for our OWN orphans, which the process takes much linger from what ive learned.

It takes longer to qualify for the program to take care of our own children because supposedly we care more about them and want to make certain that we provide a decent home for them.

What is your solution Ron or Chaz.. for these children.. either our own or these illegals?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:48am PT
"the countries they are from often will not take them back because they have no documentation."


But we have to take them IN with no documentation?

People are deported via one-way airline trip every day. Plane lands in Honduras, everyone gets off. They'll have no choice but to take them back.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:57am PT
Not since the Carter admin has the been so many Americans that have no jobs nor even looking for one. But somehow our govt seeks to flood the USA with even more on the entitlement registers- a design for disaster.

Ron, I think everyone posting here agrees that the flood of Central American children into the US is a problem. A problem on many levels. But your statement about unemployment rates above is just plain wrong.

According the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, unemployment peaked at a post-war high during the early part of the Reagan administration. Now, since no Administration can have much of an effect on the economy until it has been in office for a couple of years, you could say that the high unemployment rate in the first two Reagan years was the result of the Carter Administration's policies, so your first thought may well correct in economic terms.

Now fast forward to 2009 when the Obama Administration took power, and you'll see unemployment hitting new highs -- presumably the result of the economic policies of the previous Administration. But, after a couple of years, it started going down again, and has continued downward since.

So, while I'm sure you'd rather have your tax dollars -- assuming you actually pay much in Federal tax -- go toward building up the wealth of those already wealthy, having a bit of that tax money go toward helping the children isn't really going to have any big negative economic impact.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:00am PT
Where does it stop?

Do we have to house every kid from every shithole on earth?
Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:02am PT
We are talking about children, correct?

Back when your buddy, Reagan was in charge, he supported Central American death squads. Many fled the violence by making it to Los Angeles where they formed gangs for protection. We deported as many as we could and the "gang bangers" set up shop back in their home countries.

Now the next generation is fleeing the violence being perpetuated by the prior generation that no one wanted to deal with.

Unarmed children walking directly to border patrol agents, not trying to flee. Unless you have no heart, there is only one choice; house and feed these children without politicizing. I would no sooner want to return a foreign born child to an unsafe situation as I would a native born citizen. It's called doing the right thing.

We are talking about children, correct?
thebravecowboy

climber
in the face of the fury of the funk
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:03am PT
Credit: thebravecowboy
John M

climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:03am PT
where does it stop.. how about with those who are actually in this country..

Chaz.. If they have no documentation.. then how do you know where they are from? Do you just guess?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:06am PT
If it were pet dogs trying to cross the border, everybody would love Obama.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:07am PT
Timid Toprope writes:

"I would no sooner want to return a foreign born child to an unsafe situation as I would a native born citizen."



John M

climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:09am PT
cuba isn't exactly a dangerous country and there was a parent who had rights..
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:10am PT
What are you talking about? Cuba is a prison nation.

Nobody has rights in Cuba, parents or not.
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:12am PT

"If it were pet dogs trying to cross the border, everybody would love Obama."...


Not even if it were pet dogs, cute bunnies and butterflies would those that are opposed to Obama change their minds...

Doesn't matter what he does...



John M

climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:14am PT
people in cuba have rights.. just not all of the ones that you think that they should have. It isn't a war torn country.

Do you support America taking in every cuban who wants to come here?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:20am PT
One-party government, death penalty for political opposition, and you can't leave.

You're right. Cubans don't have any of the rights I think they should have.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:27am PT
"We are talking about children, correct?"


Yessirreee, yet another fine example of Compassionate Conservativism (ulp....I think I just threw up in the back of my mouth...).
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:30am PT
Calling all these children "illegals" doesn't help or make it so, but it does produce a negative connotation towards them.

Way to go wingnuts.
USA my way or no way.

Idiots.
John M

climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:42am PT
Cubans don't have any of the rights I think they should have.

they have a lot more rights then the children you want to wash your hands of.
John M

climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:44am PT
By the way Chaz.. which rights should they have? Should the parent who wants to live in Cuba have parental rights to their child, or should they just give those rights up to the parent who wants to live in America and takes the kid and leaves?

Can't imagine anyone in their right mind wanting to stay in cuba can you..
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:46am PT
I am in the middle on this issue...

Not sure exactly what is right...

Yes, great to help kids...

No, maybe not so great to take on yet another burden when this country is already in deep enough sh!t...



But again, I am "on the fence" with this one...

So in the meantime, ACCEPT all the children for now...

until something else can be figured...

It IS the RIGHT thing to do at the moment...

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