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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 19, 2014 - 09:01am PT
So now , the US GOVT apparently is offering over 1k per month - per child to those wishing to house and care for them, up to over 6K per month. Some sort of super fast training and acceptance, coupled with fast (if any) back ground checks for the housing and care of illegal children flooding into our country.

I can only wonder why such programs dont exist for our OWN orphans, which the process takes much linger from what ive learned.


And oddly most of the "available" children are over 12 years of age according to articles. This of course is all being paid for by you and i, the tax payers. Now we are paying for that "secured border" in more ways than one could dream. Perhaps thats what they meant when the invented the "dream act"..??


We cant feed and shelter our own poor and orphans here but somehow are now mandated to take care of the rest of the worlds people with issues.


Read more from an article: An ad for foster parents for illegal immigrant children in California promises $6,054 per month for those who sign up and successfully complete the 45-day approval process. The migrant children ad appeared in a Penny Saver in Murrieta. As previously reported by The Inquisitr, hundreds of protesters stopped busloads of illegal aliens from being transported into the town for holding and ultimate release.

The foster immigrant children ad was placed by the Crittenton Services and Foster Family Agency – FFA. The Murrieta Penny Saver notice said the agency was looking for families to provide homes for both American foster children and “unaccompanied refugee minors.”

The Orange County foster family organization provides services for the Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services.

When Benswann.com contacted the FFA journalists learned:

“Those willing to a take in a child under the age of 16 can receive up to $854.00 tax free per month. For those taking in a child over 16, the total is $1,008.00 per month in reimbursement. If you have a 5 bedroom house and can take in as many as 6 children, you can receive reimbursement of up to $6,054.00 per month tax free.”

foster illegal immigrant children
When asked about the requirements for foster parents, a Crittenton Services and Foster Family Agency staffer said a background check and the passage of four classes is mandatory. The next scheduled round of classes was slated to begin this week. Who is footing the bill for the illegal immigrant children’s foster parents? The American taxpayer, according to the social services representative.

Reimbursement for the monthly payments is reportedly provided by multiple state and local grants for American children, but in the case of the “unaccompanied refugee minors,” the entire cost is paid by the federal government. Regardless of the government program or grant used to pay the expense, all funds stem from taxpayer dollars.



The illegal immigrant foster parents ad garnered national attention after Murrieta resident Lisa Maloney Vinton gave a copy of the Penny Saver to Brietbart Texas. The ad was asking for “loving, compassionate parents to provide a loving home” for illegal immigrant minors, one local resident who picked up a copy of the paper said. An excerpt from the ad said, “Help heal the wounds for children in foster care programs including survivors of human trafficking and unaccompanied refugee minors.”

Cindy Lemos, another Murrieta resident, said that when she called the Crittenton Services and Foster Family Agency to inquire further about the ad, she was told that none of the illegal immigrant children were under the age of 12. Lemos further contends that when she asked the male staffer where all the younger children were being placed, he said that he was “wondering the exact same thing.”

What do you think about the foster immigrant children ad offering $6,000 per month to participate in the program?
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:06am PT
Ron, do you really have nothing better to do?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 09:12am PT
I wouldnt think this is at all a concern for you Randisi- you dont pay US taxes do you?
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:14am PT
Randisi- you dont pay US taxes do you?

No, I don't.

As per US law.

I do file every year though.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:14am PT
I am guessing I pay more taxes than Ron Anderson and I fully support paying as much as possible to help each of those children.
Chewybacca

Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:16am PT
I'm very happy to have my taxes help children. Kids are awesome.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:21am PT
We do have millions of children already in this country living in abject squalor.
Do we really need more that we're going to ignore?
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:25am PT
We have plenty of money to help them too.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 09:27am PT
Spot on Reilly.. Seems some will be all for foreigners while ignoring their own country's poor and orphaned.

Not since the Carter admin has the been so many Americans that have no jobs nor even looking for one. But somehow our govt seeks to flood the USA with even more on the entitlement registers- a design for disaster.


Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:29am PT
We have plenty of money to help them too

Then why haven't we?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:30am PT
There's plenty of water and the freeways are unclogged...
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:30am PT
Ron, would you be in favor of the government giving handouts to poor and needy American children?
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:31am PT
Then why haven't we?

Because we (that is, we the people) have chosen not to.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:32am PT
Because I am not in charge!
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:32am PT
They can't come here. We don't have any water.

Maybe after the drought, we'll think about welcoming 50,000 new ass holes @ 1.8 gallons per flush.

Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:34am PT
And oddly most of the "available" children are over 12 years of age according to articles. This of course is all being paid for by you and i, the tax payers. Now we are paying for that "secured border" in more ways than one could dream. Perhaps thats what they meant when the invented the "dream act"..??


We cant feed and shelter our own poor and orphans here but somehow are now mandated to take care of the rest of the worlds people with issues.

whats your plan? firing squad? throw them on the streets?

its no wonder they are older than 12 they sometimes traveled thousands of miles to get here most kids under 12 cold not do that.

your mind is narrower than a RURP crack.

now if you want to argue whats the best way to deal with that, then thats another issue.

edit:
you must have mistakenly performed taxidermy on yourself and removed your brain and replaced it with stuffing.....
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:36am PT
For less than $1,000 each, they could be flown home.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:39am PT
Tell it to the Indians, Chaz.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:40am PT
I could use 8 grand...Any pics of the girls..?
John M

climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:40am PT
For less than $1,000 each, they could be flown home.

the countries they are from often will not take them back because they have no documentation.

Turn it around for a second. Lets say I make it to England as an illegal and they pick me up and I have no documents. I say that I am from America.. should England then just ship me off to America and expect the USA to accept me.

Its a serious problem..

plus some of these kids are from human trafficking, meaning that they were kidnapped and sold into slavery.. If the country they are from won't take them, and we have no proof that they are from that country,

then what should we do? Serious question Ron or Chaz..
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:42am PT
Make room for a kid: crap on your neighbors lawn instead of in a toilet.

It does suck that we aren't taking better care of the poor & orphans already in the country. Though, don't most orphans here already have food and shelter?

If these refugee kids are mostly fleeing gangs & cartels that are a result of the drug trade (of which the U.S. is a huge contributor), then it's not a bad thing to help them.

Doesn't fix the problem, but it does help refugee children. In the end, the world needs to stop thinking "us" and "them". We are all in the sh#t together.
John M

climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:44am PT
I can only wonder why such programs dont exist for our OWN orphans, which the process takes much linger from what ive learned.

It takes longer to qualify for the program to take care of our own children because supposedly we care more about them and want to make certain that we provide a decent home for them.

What is your solution Ron or Chaz.. for these children.. either our own or these illegals?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:48am PT
"the countries they are from often will not take them back because they have no documentation."


But we have to take them IN with no documentation?

People are deported via one-way airline trip every day. Plane lands in Honduras, everyone gets off. They'll have no choice but to take them back.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:57am PT
Not since the Carter admin has the been so many Americans that have no jobs nor even looking for one. But somehow our govt seeks to flood the USA with even more on the entitlement registers- a design for disaster.

Ron, I think everyone posting here agrees that the flood of Central American children into the US is a problem. A problem on many levels. But your statement about unemployment rates above is just plain wrong.

According the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, unemployment peaked at a post-war high during the early part of the Reagan administration. Now, since no Administration can have much of an effect on the economy until it has been in office for a couple of years, you could say that the high unemployment rate in the first two Reagan years was the result of the Carter Administration's policies, so your first thought may well correct in economic terms.

Now fast forward to 2009 when the Obama Administration took power, and you'll see unemployment hitting new highs -- presumably the result of the economic policies of the previous Administration. But, after a couple of years, it started going down again, and has continued downward since.

So, while I'm sure you'd rather have your tax dollars -- assuming you actually pay much in Federal tax -- go toward building up the wealth of those already wealthy, having a bit of that tax money go toward helping the children isn't really going to have any big negative economic impact.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:00am PT
Where does it stop?

Do we have to house every kid from every shithole on earth?
Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:02am PT
We are talking about children, correct?

Back when your buddy, Reagan was in charge, he supported Central American death squads. Many fled the violence by making it to Los Angeles where they formed gangs for protection. We deported as many as we could and the "gang bangers" set up shop back in their home countries.

Now the next generation is fleeing the violence being perpetuated by the prior generation that no one wanted to deal with.

Unarmed children walking directly to border patrol agents, not trying to flee. Unless you have no heart, there is only one choice; house and feed these children without politicizing. I would no sooner want to return a foreign born child to an unsafe situation as I would a native born citizen. It's called doing the right thing.

We are talking about children, correct?
thebravecowboy

climber
in the face of the fury of the funk
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:03am PT
Credit: thebravecowboy
John M

climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:03am PT
where does it stop.. how about with those who are actually in this country..

Chaz.. If they have no documentation.. then how do you know where they are from? Do you just guess?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:06am PT
If it were pet dogs trying to cross the border, everybody would love Obama.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:07am PT
Timid Toprope writes:

"I would no sooner want to return a foreign born child to an unsafe situation as I would a native born citizen."



John M

climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:09am PT
cuba isn't exactly a dangerous country and there was a parent who had rights..
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:10am PT
What are you talking about? Cuba is a prison nation.

Nobody has rights in Cuba, parents or not.
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:12am PT

"If it were pet dogs trying to cross the border, everybody would love Obama."...


Not even if it were pet dogs, cute bunnies and butterflies would those that are opposed to Obama change their minds...

Doesn't matter what he does...



John M

climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:14am PT
people in cuba have rights.. just not all of the ones that you think that they should have. It isn't a war torn country.

Do you support America taking in every cuban who wants to come here?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:20am PT
One-party government, death penalty for political opposition, and you can't leave.

You're right. Cubans don't have any of the rights I think they should have.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:27am PT
"We are talking about children, correct?"


Yessirreee, yet another fine example of Compassionate Conservativism (ulp....I think I just threw up in the back of my mouth...).
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:30am PT
Calling all these children "illegals" doesn't help or make it so, but it does produce a negative connotation towards them.

Way to go wingnuts.
USA my way or no way.

Idiots.
John M

climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:42am PT
Cubans don't have any of the rights I think they should have.

they have a lot more rights then the children you want to wash your hands of.
John M

climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:44am PT
By the way Chaz.. which rights should they have? Should the parent who wants to live in Cuba have parental rights to their child, or should they just give those rights up to the parent who wants to live in America and takes the kid and leaves?

Can't imagine anyone in their right mind wanting to stay in cuba can you..
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:46am PT
I am in the middle on this issue...

Not sure exactly what is right...

Yes, great to help kids...

No, maybe not so great to take on yet another burden when this country is already in deep enough sh!t...



But again, I am "on the fence" with this one...

So in the meantime, ACCEPT all the children for now...

until something else can be figured...

It IS the RIGHT thing to do at the moment...

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:51am PT
We do have millions of children already in this country living in abject squalor.
Do we really need more that we're going to ignore?


Well thatsays it all right there.

John M

climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:54am PT
It is a fairly broad issue and involves all kinds of kids.

Do you send a child back to a worn torn country when the parents have died in the process of coming here? What if that war torn country doesn't want the child? What if we aren't certain which country the child came from?

what about the child who is sold into sexual slavery? do we send them back to the parent who sold them in the first place?

just send them back.. is that the solution?

And often what these programs are doing is trying to find a place to put the kid while they determine what to do with the child long term. Jails certainly aren't equipped to handle them. And should they really be in a jail. Its not an automatic process to send a child back because we often don't know what country to send them to.

So in the short term, what do you do with them? warehouse them where exactly?
Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
Jul 19, 2014 - 11:12am PT
Not even if it were pet dogs, cute bunnies and butterflies would those that are opposed to Obama change their minds...

Short memory or selective

How is this different from every other president in history
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Jul 19, 2014 - 11:18am PT
As long as the immigrant kids are housed in your place and not in mine. Your neighborhood, but not in my neighborhood.

It's only fair, fair for me.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 19, 2014 - 11:35am PT
Nobody has rights in Cuba, parents or not.

But they have really cool old cars.


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 11:51am PT
What to do? Well, step 1 would be to SEAL the border. NO ONE gets "across"
any more. They are turned around, and if they attempt to thwart that take them into custody and escort them back across the border. Third strike and they are "out". Let THAT word get out to the masses below our southern border instead of the ones saying flood America,, they take you in and give you bennies.

The USA has been bent over backwards trying to appease the masses around the world. And the world is a far WORSE place for those efforts, because no matter which side you appease, theres another side that calls you an enemy.

This "globilization" effort hit its critical mass a while back. We took it as far as it could logically go.
John M

climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 12:04pm PT
deleted my post.

got a little too snide..

good luck with sealing the border.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 12:04pm PT
How many of those illegal children will any of you take in ?

Im betting none.


And heres an FYI for you, right now im 100% POSITIVE that there are those in this country figuring out that they can get over 6K a month tax free- and are looking at houses to secure just for this, and the Kids are the least concern. We will create a whole new subculture of welfare recipients from this. If we accept those today, another flood will come tomorrow. This has been proven quite well eh?
John M

climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 12:06pm PT
Ron.. its not about me. Its about all of us. And I'm willing to bet all of the money that I have and all of my possessions that I have done more charity work then you have. So please don't try going rounds with me on that.
John M

climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 12:07pm PT
I am sure that there are people trying to figure out how to scam the situation. What is your solution? What do you do with the kids who do get across the border? Put them in Jail?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 19, 2014 - 12:07pm PT
Gotta link to more information, Ron?

My wife and I were seriously discussing the idea of taking one of these children.

I can't find anything with Google.
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Jul 19, 2014 - 12:08pm PT


"This "globilization" effort hit its critical mass a while back. We took it as far as it could logically go."...

Caving isn't the answer...

Working harder is!!!...

This is America...

The leader of all things Earth...

;-)

khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Jul 19, 2014 - 12:08pm PT
"Sealing" the border is like "winning the war on drugs" or the security theatre practiced in airports. Something politicians blabber on about to make voters think they are tough. In practice the goals are completely unattainable.

But more importantly: US agriculture is wholly dependent on illegal immigrant labor. If we "sealed" the border tomorrow and rounded up all the illegals (obviously, impossible), two things would happen: 1. Food prices would sky-rocket; 2. Most smaller non-commodity farms would go out of business within a few months.

After a year or so our agricultural imports could easily double (already $100 billion per year). That means less money and fewer jobs for 'mericans.

This country NEEDS cheap immigrant labor because us whiteys aren't willing to do the dirty work and aren't willing to pay a decent price for produce.


Edit: BTW, do we really believe this? It's reported in ONE place. I'm skeptical... given Rong's propensity for believing just about anything...
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 19, 2014 - 05:40pm PT
Khanom...If food prices sky-rocketed would't your income...? rj
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jul 19, 2014 - 05:51pm PT
I'm sorry.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Jul 19, 2014 - 05:56pm PT
Yes. Higher food prices benefit me -- the drought here has helped my business because people are willing to pay more while my own costs have not risen as much because I'm using extremely efficient irrigation. But, in the long run moving food production to Mexico, China, Chile, etc, will increase my costs.

For one thing instead of driving down to Modesto or Merced to pick up some equipment or supplies I'd have to have them shipped in because all the businesses that exist to support ag in the central valley will disappear. Ever tried to ship a tractor implement? 2000' of poly tubing? Frickin expensive.

Realistically though there isn't much of a downside for me. As things balance out and we pay more realistic (i.e. unsubsidized) prices for food, it levels the playing field so that small producers like me can be competitive.

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of all those idiots who bitch about immigration but then expect cheap food.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Jul 19, 2014 - 06:16pm PT
the hypocrisy of all those idiots who bitch about immigration but then expect cheap food.

It ain't just food.



Illegal immigrants pay income tax -- it's taken out of their wages. This including Social Security
and Medicare taxes, which they can't ever benefit from because they aren't legal and don't have SSNs.

bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Jul 19, 2014 - 06:33pm PT
These kids are the US version of people fleeing violence in Syria into Turkey. Or any of these other places.



Most recipient countries place refugees in tents in huge camps. All the tents in Texas are full. Get a clue.

I keep waiting for right winger bible thumpers to start acting Christ-like.
crankster

Trad climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 07:05pm PT
Seal the border. Sounds nice on a bumper sticker. Look at the facts about "sealing" an almost 2,000-mile border. Cost? Billions. To man and patrol it? Billions.

And then people will find a way. It ain't ever going to happen.

Along with this.
I keep waiting for right winger bible thumpers to start acting Christ-like.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Jul 19, 2014 - 07:09pm PT
I keep waiting for right winger bible thumpers to start acting Christ-like.

Sorry, most of them only use the bible when it suits there purposes.
.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Jul 19, 2014 - 07:19pm PT
New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air- bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these,the homeless,tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

 Emma Lazarus

Darned liberals, always sharing as adults...

Up here in the frozen bleachers of Canada regarding the policy sports of America, we get some local amusement although the humour is always unintentionally dry...

"I'm all for rights and freedoms but the Charter complicates things"...

 Conservative Party Member of Parliament Larry Miller, reflecting on the nature of writing laws down on paper.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 19, 2014 - 07:37pm PT

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these,the homeless,tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

NO

fuk em

The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Jul 19, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these,the homeless,tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

F*#king welfare libs.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jul 19, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
**OK! I'm Posting this, but not reading this thread


because I'm tired of the bull-schist that Ron is going to "fart-up."**
Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Jul 19, 2014 - 07:53pm PT
Suffer the little children, and forbid them not to come to me. For such is the kingdom if heaven.
 Jesus

Even a heathen like me knows that one.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 19, 2014 - 07:58pm PT
What to do? Well, step 1 would be to SEAL the border. NO ONE gets "across"
any more. They are turned around, and if they attempt to thwart that take them into custody and escort them back across the border. Third strike and they are "out".

so, he would execute such children, being the Christian man that he is?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 19, 2014 - 08:01pm PT
This seems even lower than the condolences thread. New Depths. Ron.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 19, 2014 - 08:02pm PT
Fritz...Your loss...There's some very interesting material on this thread...If you refuse to read , check out WBSA 91.1 and see what terrorist act the Zionist are cooking up for us next...rj
Psilocyborg

climber
Jul 19, 2014 - 08:06pm PT
I feel there is some major psychological manipulation going on, on both sides of this issue.

And I see many of you just spouting out the predictable responses, playing right into their hands.

In this day and age the truth is so muddled by everyones agenda. Supposedly there were reports on the news of the US granting amnesty? IF this is true, has this been verified? IF this is true, it points toward a conspiracy possibly by the latino community forcing us to deal with the immigration issue.

I just feel that while it is something that needs fixed.....our whole system needs fixed, and immigration is really low on my list of important issues that this country is facing.

One thing for sure is drug production and smuggling coupled with broken governments have ruined central/south america.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 19, 2014 - 08:20pm PT
. Supposedly there were reports on the news of the US granting amnesty?

to the children?

nope, no "amnesty" has been given

from what I have read today, the first batches of children are already being sent back,
I believe the government of Honduras has agreed to accept back some of their children

for the record: the US southern border is now as "secured" as it has every been, and it is working, they are being caught at our border, damn few manage to get through

President Obama has greatly tightened the border, and apprehensions and deportations are at record high numbers now

he has asked congress to give him another 4 billion dollars and so far congress is dragging their feet and not going along with it, can't spend taxpayer money needlessly,
we gotta spend lots of time and really look into this before we end up agreeing with President Obama, just so we look like we are thinking hard on this

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 19, 2014 - 08:27pm PT
"secured" is the absolute last word I would use to describe a border that two-year-olds are able to cross on their own.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 08:42pm PT
Norton,, you sound just like that idiot DIRTY harry reid LMAO!



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/07/gov-rick-perry-obama-didnt-even-know-the-border-patrol-was-stationed-40-miles-from-border-video/




Secure border my ass.


And the rest of you throwing out biblical quotes should perhaps review your posts on the "we are NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION" thread.. Holy hypocrites martha!
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 19, 2014 - 08:55pm PT
here is the difference

everything I said above is true

I knew you would not like to hear the truth, it pisses you off

it upsets the fantasy world of conspiracy, fear, and childlike ignorance in your brain

keep voting Republican, morons, it was Republican Reagan who gave amnesty to millions

those children were stopped at the border, fool

go ahead and try educating yourself:

under President Obama the border IS more secure, and he is apprehending and deporting records numbers, look it up dumb fuks

blabber on without me, I am gone for the night, stupid sons of b!tches

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 19, 2014 - 08:56pm PT
Norton writes:

"those children were stopped at the border, fool"



No they weren't. They crossed the border.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Jul 19, 2014 - 08:59pm PT
And so what Chaz ?

Your avocados are based on a predication.

Try a little humbleness and respect for other humans.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Jul 19, 2014 - 10:30pm PT
Good luck getting through with the truth Norton.

All they have is fear and hate.

They're as lost as these poor children.
At least the children still have good hearts.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2014 - 07:50am PT
The TRUTH johnboy, was that Obama DIDNT even know how and where the Border patrols were stationed. The TRUTH is that while he has deported many, he also released thousands of convicted illegals back into our society- including murderers, rapists and robbers. The TRUTH is that his policies have lead to swarms walking right on into our country including little kids, gang members, and many many OTMS, whos origins are NOT being recorded. China, middle east you name it. The TRUTH is that FED policies also hamstring local LEOs from gathering up known illegals-- CRIMINAL gang members in this country. The TRUTH is that the feds have been transporting this new wave of ILLEGALS to many small towns in America to deposit them into those society's and have been met with resistance most of the time. The TRUTH is that if this trend continues, in a decade America will be essentially a third world country by demographics. And criminal gangs will be the biggest fear any citizen has. Just ask Mexico.




From the LasVegas review journal:
Nevada has largest percentage of illegal immigrants in nation
Don't tell Harry Reid, but a new study released Tuesday finds that the percentage of illegal immigrants among Nevada's population is the highest of any state in the union.

So, too, is the percentage of illegals in the state's work force.

Remember, it was Sen. Reid who during last year's campaign famously denied that any undocumented workers toiled in the Las Vegas construction industry. "That my be someplace, but it is not here in Nevada," he said.

Sen. Reid may want to spend more time in his home state. According to the Pew Hispanic Center, which based its data on census information, illegals account for 12.2 percent of Nevada's 1.393 million workers. Obviously, some of them work in construction, even considering the local downturn.

In addition, illegals make up 7.2 percent of Nevada's population. California (6.8 percent) and Texas (6.7 percent) were right behind.

The day before the Pew figures came out, Clark County Commissioner Steve Sisolak warned that the county hospital could be closed within three years if it can't control costs. The hospital last year spent well over a million dollars a month providing dialysis for dozens of illegals with kidney disease.

Meanwhile, Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie on Monday hailed a program that encourages local police to work with immigration officials to identify illegals arrested for serious offenses. Since late 2008, Las Vegas corrections officers placed immigration holds on 5,184 inmates, more than 70 percent of whom had been jailed for serious crimes.

Of course, illegal immigrants aren't solely responsible for University Medical Center's financial woes, nor will most undocumented Nevadans break any major laws other than our immigration statutes. But the Pew numbers have very real ramifications for state and local policymakers -- whether it's concering UMC, the justice system or the school district -- as they struggle with the state's lingering economic malaise.



Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 20, 2014 - 07:58am PT
Ron, what is the map (in your post above) showing? What do the colors represent?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2014 - 08:00am PT
I couldn't get the whole map to copy Ghost. It shows that NV has the largest percentage of illegals followed closely by CA and TX. Which of course directly conflicts with dirty harry reids speeches. He has no clue what "his state" even looks like anymore.


So i added a LV review Journal article that says the same thing.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 20, 2014 - 08:13am PT
Okay, here's the full map. The original is on Slate.com, and is interactive -- you can zoom in and out, and click on individual states for detailed information. (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2013/02/map_illegal_immigrant_population_by_state.html);

Illegal immigrants by state (from Slate.com)
Illegal immigrants by state (from Slate.com)
Credit: Slate
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 20, 2014 - 08:19am PT
Nancy has plenty of room,




Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2014 - 08:27am PT
Funny TGT,, and thanks Ghost.


Contrary to dirty harrys yammers, illegals do indeed affect NV citizenry.
Many companies hire them for cash under the table here- no taxes no bennies. And they DONT hire legal citizens. Ive talked with such companies locally here when i was in a job search. Nv is FULL of small contractors and those that specifically target these illegals for a work force.
And legislation like giving them "drivers cards" and the Small business loans given freely to them only enhances the population of illegals we now have.
Sad day when illegals get abbreviated procedures and special considerations for small business loans over natural born citizens of my state. All encouraged by the FEDs mind you.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 20, 2014 - 09:34am PT
Many companies hire them for cash under the table here

no sh#t sherlock! Gosh, when did that happen- yesterday? That has been an institutionalized component of the american economy for all of living memory. the illegals have propped up your state and most others since .... well, when the first slave boats arrived. Lets get it straight Ron. you, the founding fathers, Every home owner with a pool and every shitty fast food joint is entirely happy and content with a fat volume of illegals, so long as they stay where we want them - doing the sh#t jobs for nothing. The moment it is even suspected that this vital component of American prosperity actually has a cost the freak out is to ship them all back?

As usual, the whole issue revolves around the american entitlement to their standard of living at the lowest walmart prices on the backs of brown people. Thats what its all about. so long as there was no cost and no political power, no one complained. All that came to a sudden end in 2008, not because their jobs became any more attractive - they never will be. Its just that anxiety and butthurt needs a whipping boy and any hint that the imported slave classes are getting anything more than the basic sustainance needed to keep them shoveling is grounds for a lynching.

Of course many hire them under the table and the whole nation is grateful for it otherwise your brocolli would be picked by you and the cost would be unpalatable because no way in hell does a real american work like a slave. They fullfill a vital role in the American dream mythology. So long as the worse jobs are done by foreigners - a subservient class without the rights of a citizen - then even bottom feeders like you can still feel special. The danger is not that they exist, it is that they might start to gain ground..... on you.... in your own town! They pose zero threat to the upper class, but you are the next rung up on the ladder, which explains your twitchy trigger finger in defense of what is still left of your american dream

bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Jul 20, 2014 - 09:36am PT
/\ BOOM!!
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Jul 20, 2014 - 09:40am PT
Many companies hire them for cash under the table here- no taxes no bennies. And they DONT hire legal citizens.

Legal citizens can work for cash under the the table just as easily.

Are those legal citizens also sitting out on the street at the pick up point trying to get this low-paid back-breaking work?

Or are most of the the legal citizens shooting for higher pay / easier work (or, simply standing at street corners begging for "traveling money")?
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 20, 2014 - 09:59am PT
To put it in a much less confrontational manner, whatever one's moral/political stance on illegal immigrants, there is simply no way to prevent people from sneaking across the border. As long as the magnet of a better life exerts its pull, people will move. "Secure the border" sounds great in political speeches, but in the real world it has zero chance of working.

Other than simply rounding them all up and executing them, Gestapo fashion, there are only two ways to stop the flow of illegal immigrants into the US.

1) Wait until the economy of the US is on par with that of the countries they're emigrating from. If there's no prospect of a better life there, no one will bother trying to get into the US. But that's not really what anybody wants, and in any case, it isn't going to happen in our lifetimes.

2) Go after the employers in a meaningful way. As long as the penalty for hiring illegal immigrants is relatively small compared to the benefits, people will continue to hire them. This applies across the entire spectrum of hiring, from big corporations through small businesses, right down to the individual who gets one of the guys who hang around Home Depot to come over and help repair the porch.

Anything else is pointless. Until the penalty for hiring an undocumented worker is a huge fine, plus jail time, nothing will change.

If you want to get rid of illegal immigrants, then tell your elected representative to put the owner of the restaurant down the block (cooks and dishwashers) in jail. Oh, and that couple next door (their nanny). And everyone else all the way up to the senior executives of half the companies in the US.

It's not just Harry Reid, Ron. It's every politician in the US. Plus most of the citizens of the US (you know, the ones who like it that they can go to the supermarket and buy fresh tomatoes for less than twenty dollars a pound).

The illegal immigrants, other than the hardcore criminals, are doing exactly the same thing you would do in their place. Throwing them in jail, or putting up another mile of barbed wire on the border, won't change anything.

The problem isn't the guy who waded across the river in the hope of finding a decent life. The problem is you, and me, and your neighbor and my neighbor.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jul 20, 2014 - 10:18am PT



Credit: survival



Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 20, 2014 - 10:21am PT
Like Ghost said. Hell, even if you build a wall it just means you need to create an actual legal system to keep the cheap slave labor flowing, like the Israeli's do. Us Canadians do it to. the "Temporary foreign workers program" started decades ago but took off like a rocket in the past few years. It sounds all nice and lovey dovey and technically it is but in reality it served the usual purpose - cheap labor designed to undermine blue colar wages, abetted and supported popularly by the citizenry as most of the jobs - traditionally done by students, youth, our own lower classes - became identified as 'low social status". We all used to picked fruit and veggies, go tree planting or work the bottom feeder resturant jobs but the combination of stagnant wages, an aversion to real work and self esteem problems made all that fit only for someone else.

WE Canucks do what you guys do, just with a little bit more illusion of civility. It amounts to the same thing - a second class of workers keeping us entitled tw#ts out of the untouchable stuff but only here temporarily while it suits us. The alternative of competitive supply and demand pricing making our food more expensive than our cheap wide screen TV's is too much to bear and besides, damned if I'm going to do it
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 20, 2014 - 10:25am PT
So when are you guys leaving?

As soon as I can get political refugee status in Norway.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2014 - 10:33am PT
Im part Choctaw Survival,, so YOU FIRST..


You want to know whos even more pissed off about all this than me or any other natural born citizen? Those who immigrated here legally. Those who worked for a long time to become citizens here and those who left countrys to avoid the types that now flow freely over our borders.
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jul 20, 2014 - 10:42am PT
Im part Choctaw

Which part?
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Jul 20, 2014 - 10:45am PT
You want to know whos even more pissed off about all this than me or any other natural born citizen? Those who immigrated here legally.

They are pissed off that we are providing aid to refugee children who are mostly either victims of human trafficking or fleeing violence and induction into crime gangs?

Those who worked for a long time to become citizens here

Which "those"? Have you surveyed all of them? Can you imagine that some of "them" are happy to see the refugee children from the countries "they" left get some f*#king help that they didn't get?

and those who left countrys to avoid the types that now flow freely over our borders.

Which "types"? Are they not the same "types" that these kids are leaving countries to avoid?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 20, 2014 - 10:47am PT
"Which part?"

The part that serves his argument the best.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2014 - 10:48am PT
Hmmm i guess you think the hundreds of thousands of the worst criminal gang members in the americas just floated here on the winds.. They didnt, they crossed that border, just like ANYONE else can.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 20, 2014 - 10:49am PT
You want to know whos even more pissed off about all this than me or any other natural born citizen?


So the legals are pissed? Fuk em. Those are not the only hoops to jump through in life as any vietnamse boat person will tell you. It is a matter of control not who has the worst case of entitlement butt hurt bought with dollars. You guys certainly need to gain some control but building walls means you just have to formalize the process, because as it turns out you actually need them as your kids simply don't do that work anymore.

You may as well brace yourself. Migration - legal or otherwise - from the equator toward the poles is going to really start taking off in the next few decades. You ever hear of this thing called global warming?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 20, 2014 - 10:53am PT
I love kids. I wish I spoke better Spanish. Maybe the kids could teach me!

Thousand bucks a month to feed clothe house and support a child sounds about right to me.

I miss the days of 6 kids running around my house.

Ron do you have a link to this amazing program?????

DMT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2014 - 10:54am PT
Fukk YOU BK. Our "Kids" cant get jobs at many places due to not being bilingual. I could not get a roofing job because I wasnt fluently bi lingual. That and i didnt fit the mold of working for peanuts under the table. And i sure as hell expressed what i thought about that to the owner of that company in very plain ENGLISH.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 20, 2014 - 10:58am PT
Fuk you to you too Ron. You just made my point. Suck it up butter cup, learn espanol and start shoveling sh#t alongside mexicans finest imports...... or die off quietly
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 20, 2014 - 11:06am PT
The TRUTH johnboy, was that Obama DIDNT even know how and where the Border patrols were stationed.

Right? I bet he doesn't know where Private Sheila Johnson is stationed nor even what branch!!!1111111!!!!1111!!!!1111


!@!@!@11111!!!!1111

Right????

DMT
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jul 20, 2014 - 11:09am PT
Maybe if we deport all the racists in this country then we will have enough room for the little Mexicans. Problem solved.

Bye Ron.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2014 - 11:19am PT
Yahh there it is the "YUR A RACIST" shyt. On que, par for the course.

The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jul 20, 2014 - 11:21am PT
If it looks like a duck...



Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 20, 2014 - 11:22am PT
So there's an ad in the Pennysaver that makes a vague association between foster care and immigrant children the Fox News droids run with it.

Yes, it's right there, in six point font, sitting between and ad for a free office desk and somebody's collection of old golf balls.

All backed by a statement from a woman who who saw the ad - a woman who actually reads the fuking Pennysaver - saying she "called them" and verified.

There you have it, folks.



Proof that the Obama is personally writing checks to illegals.




Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 20, 2014 - 11:23am PT
Fukk YOU BK. Our "Kids" cant get jobs at many places due to not being bilingual. I could not get a roofing job because I wasnt fluently bi lingual. That and i didnt fit the mold of working for peanuts under the table. And i sure as hell expressed what i thought about that to the owner of that company in very plain ENGLISH.

And here is the trailer trash complaining that they can't get a job. As Conservatives say, that is because Rong isn't willing to pull himself up by the bootstraps and put a little effort into improving himself. He expects to be "given" a job, not to compete for it.

He feels entitled. Not willing to start at the bottom and prove that he is a valuable employee.

This is exactly what my friend the raisin farmer near Fresno says happens every time a white citizen comes out to work. And he pays competitive wages.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 20, 2014 - 11:24am PT
So there's an ad in the Pennysaver that makes a lose association between foster care and immigrant children the Fox News droids run with it.

Yes, it's right there, in six point font, sitting between and add for a free office desk and somebody's collection of old golf balls.

All backed by a statement from a woman who who saw the ad - a woman who actually reads the fuking Pennysaver - saying she "called them" and verified.

There you have it, folks.

Proof that the Obama is personally writing checks to illegals.

Dave, you missed the part where the ad was placed by Fox News.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2014 - 11:25am PT
Dave,,How many billions has Obama asked for to "deal with" the current surge?




answer: 3.7 BILLION...



PS,, did you call that number ??
It is Critendon services for children and familys.

scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Jul 20, 2014 - 11:58am PT
Ron, just relax and let Nature take its course. The more civilized and intellectual races always get overtaken, sooner or later, by the more savage but heartier races...think of the Greeks and Romans overtaken by the more robust barbarians.



It's survival of the fittest....whoever can best push a lawn mower in the hot sun wins the war

Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 20, 2014 - 01:12pm PT
PS,, did you call that number ??

No, I didn't call.

I don't need an office desk.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2014 - 01:18pm PT
I did Dave, and as stated above, its a child and family service.. So i take it your thought of helping out and taking a child in was tossed? You DIDNT call but feel perfectly well with accusations that its a furniture or office supply company?

Odd that.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 20, 2014 - 01:27pm PT
Well Ron, since I've actually adopted a child, it turns out I know a thing or two about adoption agencies.

One thing I learned is they don't usually answer the phone on Sundays.

But I'm sure this one will be answering their phones first thing tomorrow morning.
Rudbud

Gym climber
Grover Beach, CA
Jul 20, 2014 - 02:59pm PT
I am guessing I pay more taxes than Ron Anderson and I fully support paying as much as possible to help each of those children.

If you live in SLO im guessing you pay a lot more than Ron. I think they should bring them up by the bus load to SLO. lots of people with lots of money to adopt them all.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
Sorry, i was out watching for wildfires during the siege of lightning we are having- just another militia duty as it were. We are now being flash flooded in many areas here. HUGE storm it is.

Good on ya Dave. I just didnt get the office desk comment.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Jul 20, 2014 - 03:08pm PT
I can also confirm Ron's experience trying to get a job in construction or such things...

Because why in your right mind, as a business owner, would you hire some whiny white guy who will work half as hard and has mediocre skills when you can hire a hard-working, highly skilled latino who will never bitch and moan about how hot it is or how hard they have to work. Sometimes the ones with the skills are illegal... it's unfortunate.

This is exactly what my friend the raisin farmer near Fresno says happens every time a white citizen comes out to work. And he pays competitive wages.

I don't have a ton of experience with illegals but this is certainly what I've witnessed and been told by others. In a nutshell almost no white people work in agriculture primarily because they can't hack it. That's if they even think to try doing such work... EDIT: the latinos I've personally worked with make us look so light it's embarrassing.

The notion that all immigrants everywhere are taking away our jobs is complete BS.

What is tragic is that whiny entitled wankers believe this and actively perpetuate a system that leaves plenty of room for exploitation. If we as a nation could just face up to the FACT that we are dependent on immigrant labor and put in place a proper guest worker program we could minimize such things and also benefit American business, particularly construction and agriculture.
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jul 20, 2014 - 04:14pm PT
Oh, now I get it Ron.

The sky is falling.

Keep up the good work.
kennyt

Trad climber
Oregon
Jul 20, 2014 - 08:32pm PT
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