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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 18, 2014 - 11:50pm PT
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Discuss.
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 18, 2014 - 11:55pm PT
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Elaborate.
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 19, 2014 - 12:06am PT
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Is that the flextrak 5000?
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 19, 2014 - 12:18am PT
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Ooo zing! Nice one barnyard
I will take your word for it you seem to be the expert on dicks and balls
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 19, 2014 - 12:23am PT
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and you don't know me. who started the name calling?
Nice first posts by the way
What name did I Call you? Was it elaborate or flextrak 5000 that offended you?
Back on your medication, gilchrist. You used to think I was alright? You have just started posting under this avatar today.
Wayno,
I have been here a long time
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 12:30am PT
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Who the feck are you guys and what the feck are you talking about? Where are my Peeps?
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 12:38am PT
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I hate it when that happens.
Nitey nite bishes.
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MisterE
climber
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Jul 19, 2014 - 06:42am PT
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WTF was that about...
Wayno, maybe you are seeing the wrong back-country chiropractor/mountain-top guru?
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jul 19, 2014 - 06:47am PT
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Wayno! I think the other posts on this thread last night were from maladjusted misadventurers.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jul 19, 2014 - 08:11am PT
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Chef Wayno: Try Zen... ^^^^
No, that's Zen for management.
This is the way for climbers:
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jul 19, 2014 - 08:16am PT
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 09:59am PT
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My Peeps! So I had a little wine and felt like a little whine. Those guys last night were what I have come to expect here these days. Kind of sad actually. This forum has generally been good for me. No harm, no foul, just insipid.
What I wanted to discuss was how in life you find yourself in a place that you didn't think your choices would have led you. No good or bad value judgements, just curiosity.
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overwatch
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Jul 19, 2014 - 10:07am PT
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As one of "those guys" I must defend myself by saying that I never personally attack anyone on here unless they attack me first, self defense you know. I asked simply for you to elaborate your thread as I didn't get it, sorry.
Then I made a joke about the picture and was then insulted out of nowhere by a guy that uses two or three avatars a day and is obviously unbalanced. I zinged him back a couple times and called it a night, end of story.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 10:21am PT
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I saw that, overwatch, and I don't hold any bad feelings toward you. You do see what happens when you leave the door open, don't you? Unwanted stuff comes in.
Peace out.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jul 19, 2014 - 10:22am PT
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hey there say, wayno... i remember YEARS back, when you were up late and needed some encouragement... it was a nice chat, back and forth, for a bit...
say, sorry i was not here last night... was painting...
would have liked to chat...
when things go wrong due to misadventures...
you may make a 'mal-adjustment' by mistake, by being in a hurry
to get things resolved, perhaps...
step back and restudy the situation...
perhaps the misadventure, may turn into something good, by its own...
or, by a UNmal-adjustment, that will come by study, or by
input from friends...
say, you took the first step, last night...
let's SEE-
(edit: after a few posts, above, may not have been what you expected)
if some info may come
your way now, and this ol' misadventure can turn
into a mist of fresh opportunity, to get the ol' trail going in a
better direction, as to this 'whatever the situation is' thing...
happy good day... work the trail ... study the land, and let us know
how it goes... :)
:)
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 19, 2014 - 10:27am PT
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Thank you for acknowledging that and same to you
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 10:28am PT
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Neebee, Thank you for those kind words my dear sister. Yes, I do remember our late night chats and I treasure them, as I treasure the heart-felt, light-filled contributions you provide here. Keep up the good work.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jul 19, 2014 - 10:35am PT
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hey there say, wayno... many taco folks have given much kindness to me, that i cherish...
makes the candle of 'how to encourage' grow and shine brighter, from
within me, then, as well...
such a group, we are... the ol' quilt, too, sparkling in the sun...
when we all hang in here, together...
sewed by some kind of special golden thread...
now--let's get out there and tackle the trail...
got to baby sit in a few hours, so here i go to water the yard, :))
(can do, as, no drought here) ... prayers for calif--i love my calif, and
hope answers or rain, can help out there...
thank you, happy good day! smile in the mirrow... :)
nice NEWER post by overwatch, making the quilt smoother, :)
and yours, in reply, then, as well, to overwatch... :)
sewing and seam, skills, :)
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jul 19, 2014 - 10:40am PT
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Wayno
My thoughts:
What I know is my intentions. What I can control is my actions. These actions will in the situation I am, lead to consequences. I have no unilateral control over the consequences. The situation plays a part. The consequences of my actions may or may not be in accordance with the intentions I had. I can make a choice and attribute the cause of the consequences to myself or to the situation. Most people attribute favorable consequences to their own actions and unfavorable consequences to the situation, men more than women.
Luck and unluck (being at the right or wrong place at the right or wrong time) plays a part. Genes play a part.... and so on...
In my own life, I don't know why I am where I now am. It was nothing I had planned from the beginning, but it gives perfect sense in bleak afterthought... after-rationalization... And the story I tell myself is favorable. It's never too late to have a favorable history... ^^^^
I like these words of CMC:
The truth about the world, is that anything is possible. Had you not seen it all from birth and thereby bled it of its strangeness it would appear to you for what it is, a hat trick in a medicine show, a fevered dream, a trance bepopulate with chimeras having neither analogue nor precedent, an itinerant carnival, a migratory tentshow whose ultimate destination after many a pitch in many a mudded field is unspeakable and calamitous beyond reckoning.
I'm well aware of where I'll end up...
Edited - Off or on topic:
I've been patient at a hospital once in my life time. I over-worked/over-trained at the age of 19 and became ill. At the hospital they couldn't find a problem to explain my symptoms. There was a shadow on a lung, but no fever. The shadow went away after a couple of weeks. At the hospital I had a conversation with my mother. I said that I didn't know where it all would end. She said she thought everything would be all right. I said that she was probably right, but that we didn't know for sure. My mother nodded in silence showing no fear, looking at me mildly. I appreciated her gest very much. Death was accepted as a possible if improbable outcome. I felt accepted. She knew I knew and didn't correct me. I felt warm and well for a while in the middle of the mess. Strange things happen. The moment will stick with me for the rest of my life...
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 10:42am PT
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Hey, Jim, nice to hear from you.
I think We can get there from here, just not alone. We really do need each other.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 10:49am PT
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Thanks for those words, Marlow. Your reflections are what I was originally talking about. The vicissitudes of living.
"the point of all this living is the dying still to come"
Old 97's
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 19, 2014 - 10:55am PT
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"You discussed me, now dixcuss yer selfies."
*hic*
Fritz to the rescue!
*slurp*
neebee with the inspiring words!
(Wish I could be as down-too-earth.)
You had no choice, you love to cook. You love to climb. The two are bound to lead to both adventure and misadventure.
I'm happy to have shared an adventure with you and Yerian as my intro to you and your story, WayNorth.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 11:33am PT
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I also feel blessed to have shared an adventure with you, Mouse, my friend.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 19, 2014 - 11:49am PT
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This condition might make for maladjustment, speaking for myself.
Wayno seems to have dealt with it just fine.
Wayno has a giant dick and big big balls.
This place would have been my ideal retirement unit, back in the day, minimalist impulses prevailed my whole life.As for my own aspirations, Wayno, I lacked drive and ambition. I would have been very happy to have retired to a life of needs-met, not necessarily the luxury that many seek; but I never had a clear-cut vision of my future, unlike some.
I knew that I'd never be a big-wall god like Tom here.No big deal, they are more work than they are worth to me, having experienced some. I liked the trad and the free.
I gradually got away from climbing, though, and this was a big mistake. I became separated from a wellspring of contentment, mainly due to absence of the many friends with whom I'd shared my life's best episodes.I was drifting for a long time until I came to the ST.
Instead, I isolated myself, much like my good friend the Rev has done, pretty much. And he was once the gregarious one, while I was a mouse!Life is never what you expect it to be.
But there are ways and means to set yourself up to be worry-free later in life; and it's never too late to start. Ask your good friends' advice and talk things out with your life-partner. That's my advice and I'd better start using it myself.
I'm still a sprout, after all.
I feel much better now, Wayno.
Now for some white zin...
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jul 19, 2014 - 11:52am PT
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I've come to realize that night shift is a little different around here.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 11:59am PT
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True, Ryan, but sometimes it can be good. I hope to see all you guys at Psyche Ledge again this year.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jul 19, 2014 - 12:02pm PT
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Yes Wayne! That would be awesome, hopefully get a few pitches in as well.
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 19, 2014 - 12:07pm PT
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Points taken. I personally will strive to post more like neebee and wayno and let the crap slide off.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jul 19, 2014 - 12:33pm PT
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Spliff
Why are you crying about overwatch?
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 19, 2014 - 12:33pm PT
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Matt I love you man. Sorry I called you names
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jul 19, 2014 - 01:03pm PT
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hey there say, wayno and all... came for quick on line check of the 'on line garden' perhaps it can be said: forum, connect to kids-facebook, and email etc...
can't stay, kids are coming... but:
as to marlow, and this quote from you:
My thoughts:
What I know is my intentions. What I can control is my actions. These actions will in the situation I am, lead to consequences. I have no unilateral control over the consequences. The situation plays a part. The consequences of my actions may or may not be in accordance with the intentions I had. I can make a choice and attribute the cause of the consequences to myself or to the situation. Most people attribute favorable consequences to their own actions and unfavorable consequences to the situation, men more than women.
Luck and unluck (being at the right or wrong place at the right or wrong time) plays a part. Genes play a part.... and so on...
very nice and well said and interesting things here...
not sure yet, about the men more than women, as, i have not thought on that yet, but will, just out of curiosity and such and learning, etc...
thank you for sharing such neat heartfelt and well thought-out info, as to wayno's trail... it helps so many of us, too, in the long run...
and speaking of RUN--best be going now... :)
ooops, forgot, hey there to mouse...
fun.. all those ZINfun'dells of thought... ;)
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jul 19, 2014 - 01:07pm PT
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I dunno dude.. It just is what it is. You can influence it, but fate can influence you.
You can accomplish anything you want, but you better be ready to work your butt off and take risks. It's easier to stay the in the groove for sure...
We influenced where we ended up for sure, but so did our enviroment and relationships...
My philosophy is enjoy it now, because you might not be around later... Lol
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 19, 2014 - 01:20pm PT
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I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
I know, sometimes it is a moot point. But knott tonight as I will soon
have a bottle of '06 Justin Cabernet Sauvignon in front of me to wash down
the wifey's stellar Boeuf Wellington.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jul 19, 2014 - 01:23pm PT
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Sometimes you just need to light a smoke, or stop and sniff the grass bro....
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jul 19, 2014 - 05:18pm PT
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Wayno! Re your question up-thread: What I wanted to discuss was how in life you find yourself in a place that you didn't think your choices would have led you. No good or bad value judgements, just curiosity.
I needed a glass of wine in front of me, before I could have enough introspection for an answer worthy of your question.
In retrospect, the most valid thoughts I ever conceived about directing my life were back about age 20.
I had a revelation & epiphany one night while smoking dope outside under a tree, and decided I wanted to work in the outdoors, money didn't matter, and my happiness was the ultimate goal.
Despite various attempts at directing my life to follow those young thoughts: my life didn’t work out quite that way, but through hard-work, sh#t-house good-luck, some very bad-luck, and an occasional good decision, along with numerous bad decisions---
Things have worked out for the best.
At age 64, I’m pretty damn happy.
I think!
Life is an out of control roller coaster, despite all we try to do.
Try to enjoy the ride.
It was great to be at City of Rocks with you for a few fun days.
You do deserve the best!
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jul 19, 2014 - 05:48pm PT
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It's not that complicated.
Dance like there was no one watching,
Love like it was never going to hurt.
And if, along the way, you can give someone else a hand up, then you've done pretty much the best you can do.
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Saugy
Mountain climber
BC
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Jul 19, 2014 - 05:54pm PT
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Hey Wayno. Not much to add here,just enjoying the read.. And I want to thank you for feeding me my first dinner ( no second, rock city pizza was the first) in Idaho :)
Hope to see you in Squish when you come up again.
Cheers!
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Jul 19, 2014 - 09:33pm PT
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Do you mean "How did I get into this mess?" It's just another take at the main existential question.
Life, my friend,
is a simple song.
The simplest;
Do Be Do Be Do
Action and Reflection.
Do and Be.
Do Be Do Be
If you find yourself
In the wrong
Part of the river
Do set your Paddle
Be on your way
Do Be Do Be Do
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MisterE
climber
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Jul 19, 2014 - 09:46pm PT
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Dance like there was no one watching,
Love like it was never going to hurt.
As much as I love this statement,
The most important lessons are almost never the easy ones.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jul 19, 2014 - 09:57pm PT
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Sounds like you are the one who is going to learn some lessons matt. I caution you to think about the consequences of your actions...
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jul 19, 2014 - 10:03pm PT
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hey there say, tami... oh my, condelences, as to your dad... :(
was so caught up in my daddy passing, etc, i do not know if i was here, enough to know this?
well, happy good eve to you all, here...
am babysitting, got to go now...
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jul 19, 2014 - 10:23pm PT
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sometimes they just don't come matt. that's when you forget those people because they usually aren't worth your time bud...
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jul 19, 2014 - 10:36pm PT
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Sorry Matt.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 10:37pm PT
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Hey dude, whoever you are, these are all my friends here. Are you my friend too?
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MisterE
climber
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Jul 19, 2014 - 10:37pm PT
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I lost the friends I needed to lose
and I found the friends I needed to find
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 11:23pm PT
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Jefe, dude, that was funnier than the flamin' bag o' shite trick.
Really folks, nothing anybody needs to worry about. I am actually finally feeling liberated enough to face whatever. The connections that I have made here on the Taco are a big part of that.
I was drinking last night and I actually felt pretty good but I was still in that introspective danger zone. I decided to post. And just like the unpredictability of life that has become the theme here, this thread took a life of it's own. It wasn't what I intended, but I like it just the same.
It is nice to know who has your back, and I have yours also.
Peace out, my friends and brothers and sisters and Parents too.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2014 - 12:14am PT
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Hopefully we can get past the ball-cupping now and get back to the original intent of my post. I think that what I was getting at was the psychology of the "epic".
One has an idea of a goal to be accomplished.
They hopefully assess to the best of their capabilities, what it would take to get the job done.
They get their stuff together and go for it.
They have fun and work.
Sh#t goes wrong.
They try to figure it out and adapt.
Get it done.
Get what done?
Survive.
Live to tell lies about it.
You get the picture.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jul 20, 2014 - 12:35am PT
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Wayno you are right about everything. Especially Jefe's video link :-)
But the thing is it's all perceptions. I think I know what you are talking about.
My dad gave me a good tip once, I was bitching about something, some issue I was having at work or something I can't even recall. Stupid sh#t, any ways he says to me: "Ry, In life there are big problems & little problems. Keep doing what you think is right don't worry about them too much and the big problems will take care of themselves. And the little problems, well if you really think about it there are no little problems."
That's all I've got.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 26, 2014 - 12:22pm PT
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One has an idea of a goal to be accomplished.
It was my first summer as a full-time bum, climbing in Yo and Pinns that spring. I wanted what the Rev had, a life in the mountains, away from the shite. A worthy goal, you will agree.
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They hopefully assess to the best of their capabilities, what it would take to get the job done.
They get their stuff together and go for it.
They have fun and work.
I got a wad of dough as compensation for losing my left thumb on the job, so I bought into the idea of going to the Bugs with 3 other Flames. I needed a rack and went to Berkeley and bought out the store. We headed north in the Rev's station wagon.
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Sh#t goes wrong.
They try to figure it out and adapt.
Well, we had a breakdown just north of Berkeley. (I just KNEW we should have picked up that hitcher in front of The Ski Hut with the sign reading Bumf*#k Egypt! We should have left the dog at home, too.)
We got back to Berkeley and the expedition lost one member, not the dog.
We headed to the Leap to console ourselves, hitching.
I got to lead P2 on Corrugation Corner. My new rack gave me confidence.
I bashed my left index placing an anchor pin, a 1 1/2 angle--you never forget your first one.
We fouled up the descent--no knowledge of the easy way back down, we bullshitted our way down gullies, tight new RDs killing me.
Am I caring? I'm still high from the climb.
That was a good campfire night.
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Get it done.
Get what done?
Survive.
We got a ride, the three of us, our gear, and the dog, back to Berkeley.
We had gotten lucky. We had a ride to Canada with Dick Ellsworth's brother in his VW camper, all the way to the Bugs!
We came back wiser.
We were on our way to becoming hard men.
That led to the rest.
The rest of what?
The rest of our lives.
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Live to tell lies about it.
You get the picture.
There was no Big Picture, just dailies.
Climb till you drop.
Find new partners.
Find a life partner.
Start a new life somewhere in the shite (Oxnard).
Get a better life in a higher grade of shite (I went to work at The North Face and the rest is just TP--the end of the roll is approaching, too.)
Like that, Wayno?
Fritz, you're amazing, dude!
figurative *slurp*
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Aug 17, 2014 - 02:06pm PT
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Bump for Mouse's hidden gem TR. That's some soul stirring writing there, Señor Mouse.
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