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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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Jul 17, 2014 - 01:22pm PT
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I don't think Russia has much to do with it
even if this turns out to be a non-military, "normal" aviation accident, because it happened at this location, a place that Russia has gone out of its way to make and maintain as unstable, this incident can become the match in the dry tinderbox.
don't see the "truth" coming out of this any time soon. In the meantime, everyone can use it as an excuse to execute whatever plan favors their agenda.
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Jul 17, 2014 - 01:30pm PT
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Obviously the shooters are the culprit. I think what Ron meant to say is, Malaysia airlines was clearly negligent in planning the flight through that airpace when it was easily avoidable.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 17, 2014 - 01:32pm PT
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Braunini, I'm sure the courts will find Malaysian criminally negligent.
If they still have landing rights in US they should be revoked immediately.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Jul 17, 2014 - 01:57pm PT
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interesting blog from two days ago
Yesterday's news that long-range anti-aircraft rockets, apparently fired from Russia, downed a Ukrainian transport plane flying at 21,000ft, is worrying. Today, a Ukrainian jet bombed allegedly separatists in Snizhne, near Donetsk. Take a look at eastern Ukraine on FlightRadar24.com, and you'll see a procession of civilian aircraft flying along an air corridor between Luhansk, Donetsk, Horlivka, Kramatorsk - places where battles are raging and people are being killed. Yet blithely oblivious to what's happening on the ground, some of the world's largest civilian airliners are criss-crossing the area at 38,000ft.
Below: a Pakistan International Airlines Airbus A330, followed by a Singapore Airlines Airbus A380, flying over the battlefields below. Other planes from India, Malaysia, Qatar, Austria, Germany are also overflying this area (click to enlarge). Eddie reminds me of the shooting down of Iran Air Flight 655 by
http://jeziorki.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/high-over-eastern-ukraine.html
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crankster
Trad climber
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Jul 17, 2014 - 02:45pm PT
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Didn't take long...the Wingnut-o-Sphere is abuzz with the news that the president maintained his normal schedule today, even having lunch.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 17, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
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Man....who has time to do that kind of sh#t?
(Mock avatars, that is)
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jul 17, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
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It's Malaysia's fault, that's all you need to know.
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 17, 2014 - 03:16pm PT
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Good one
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Jul 17, 2014 - 03:47pm PT
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from http://news.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/17/latest-updates-on-malaysia-airlines-plane-crash-in-ukraine/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
Ukraine Says Rebels Spoke of Crash in Intercepted Calls
Ukraine’s intelligence agency — the State Security Service, known as the S.B.U. — just released what it said was audio from intercepted phone calls between separatist rebels and Russian military intelligence officers on Thursday, in which they appeared to acknowledge shooting down a civilian plane.
The Ukrainian foreign ministry sent reporters a link to the edited audio of the calls posted on YouTube, with English subtitles, by the S.B.U.
According to a translation of the Russian audio by the English-language Kyiv Post, the recording begins with a separatist commander, Igor Bezler, telling a Russian military intelligence official, “We have just shot down a plane.”
In another call, a man who seems to be at the scene says that a group of Cossack militiamen shot down the plane. He adds that it was a passenger plane and that the debris contains no sign of any military equipment. Asked if there are any weapons, he says: “Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medical equipment, towels, toilet paper.”
Asked if there are any documents among the debris, the man says, “Yes, of one Indonesian student.”
Myroslava Petsa, a Ukrainian journalist in Kiev, said that the rebels sounded shocked by what they found in the wreckage.
and translation of call here:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/separatists-admit-downing-a-civilian-plane-in-tapped-conversation-full-transcript-356545.html
Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was allegedly shot down by a group of Russian-backed Cossack militants near the village of Chornukhine, Luhansk Oblast, some 80 kilometers north-west of Donetsk, according to recordings of intercepted phone calls between Russian military intelligence officers and members of terrorist groups, released by the country’s security agency (SBU).
One phone call apparently was made at 4:40 p.m. Kyiv time, or 20 minutes after the plane crash, by Igor Bezler, who the SBU says is a Russian military intelligence officer and leading commander of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic. He reports to a person identified by Ukraine’s SBU as a colonel in the main intelligence department of the general headquarters of the armed forces of the Russian Federation Vasili Geranin regarding the shot down plane, which is about to be examined by the militants.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Jul 17, 2014 - 04:03pm PT
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"Cossacks"^^^^
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/03/31/198583/-History-for-Kossacks-Cossacks#
The unenviable reputation of the Cossacks as brutal executioners in the Czar's service originated from this phase of their service in the Russian Army. Three Russian words -- the pogrom, the knut (or nagaika) and the Cossack -- entered hand in hand into the pages of Western dictionaries and school books. The impression was created and universally accepted that the Cossacks conducted the pogroms and terrified the Jewish population of the western provinces of Russia
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jul 17, 2014 - 04:06pm PT
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I am surprised that none of you have (as of yet) blamed this horrible tragedy on President Obama.
A surprising display of maturity for those posteurs here (so far) of a conservative bent.
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vlani
Trad climber
mountain view, ca
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Jul 17, 2014 - 04:07pm PT
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Those Cossacks ^^ were exterminated by Stalin. The modern ones claim the ancestry, but in reality just clowns.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jul 17, 2014 - 04:11pm PT
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Hear you there ,Fritz.
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apogee
climber
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Jul 17, 2014 - 04:13pm PT
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It's coming, Fritz.
'Another example of how Dems are weak on foreign policy!'
Translated: Undermine Hillary 'cause we got nuthin'....
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Jul 17, 2014 - 04:18pm PT
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Rush Limbaugh did so almost immediately.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jul 17, 2014 - 04:26pm PT
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I can grip the idea that the airline is at fault,Ron.
But just wait,This will turn sideways,mark my words.
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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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Jul 17, 2014 - 05:10pm PT
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Anyone who can read spanish - is it legit?
if you mean the video of plane going down in flames, no. It is from some other accident. Nothing on CNN site about it.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 17, 2014 - 05:20pm PT
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"But just wait,This will turn sideways,mark my words."
Annnnnnnddd guess where that sideways turn will start....?
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