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Sewellymon

climber
.....in a single wide......
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 26, 2006 - 12:07pm PT
It's time one again to bow before the sheer genius that was Frank Zappa.

One of his most evocative works is his tune "Watermelon in Easter Hay". This live video is a lesser effort (the tune does not benefit from a the rhythm section), but still gives a good sense of Frank the Guitarist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Nq_5FneXE&mode=related&search=

p.s. - most people are probably not familiar with the late music prodigy/ virtuoso Shawn Lane, but this clip shows him playing the same tune.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOMDVMIfkxg&mode=related&search=
stich

Trad climber
Denver, Colorado
Aug 26, 2006 - 12:15pm PT
I know this is going to sound like heresy, but I have never really liked any of Zappa's music. I liked him, I liked his style, but his music was some of the most unenjoyable out there. It often had this disjointed, jazz undercurrent, was layered with none too good sounding arrangements, and just left me wanting to leave the room. And I like some weird stuff, like Zoogz Rift and the Residents. And all of those explanations about how great musicians worked with Frank and how much a perfectionist he was just don't make the music any better. And what was it with all of the xylophones?

None the less, Frank was a super cool guy. It's just that his taste was what it was.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 26, 2006 - 12:29pm PT
What will you do if we let you go home?
And the plastic's all melted, and so is the chrome?
Jacob

Trad climber
yucky valley
Aug 26, 2006 - 12:34pm PT
bob marley>zappa
Mimi

Trad climber
Seattle
Aug 26, 2006 - 12:34pm PT
Who are the brain police?
Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Aug 26, 2006 - 12:37pm PT
Joe has realized that imaginary guitar notes and imaginary vocals exist only in the imagination of the imaginer!

Ultimately, who gives a f*#k anyway?

Watermelon in Easter Hay. IMO one of Zappa's greatest works!




http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=227765#msg228233
Wonder

climber
WA
Aug 26, 2006 - 12:40pm PT
once apon a time I heard somewhere that Zappa invented the 64 track recording system.

Even though King Tubby never need it.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Aug 26, 2006 - 01:06pm PT
All good,
But,
My python boot is too tight,
I couldn't get it off last night...
Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Aug 26, 2006 - 01:09pm PT
I saw Largo wearing Python boots once, in Vegas.
Jaybro

Social climber
The West
Aug 26, 2006 - 01:20pm PT
"It often had this disjointed, jazz undercurrent.." well yeah, if that's a problem, then maybe Frank isn't for you, Stich. I think that's part of what does it for a lot of us.

OT, I wonder if there Are enough of us for a Residents thread?
stich

Trad climber
Denver, Colorado
Aug 26, 2006 - 01:41pm PT
Zoogz Rift used heavy fusion jazz sounds on his Island of Living Puke album, but I just like the way it came out better. Franks vocals are kind of too smooth and sleazy sometimes. If music is weird, I prefer it to be just demented.

I do like Frank's Asshole song. Perhaps there is more within his discography that I need to sample. Care to offer up your favorite tracks?

The Residents thread is kind of off and running, though the title is a bit obscure.
Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Aug 26, 2006 - 01:51pm PT
Voice of mary's vision:
Hi! It's me...
The girl from the bus...
Remember?
The last tour?
Well...
Information is
Not knowledge
Knowledge is
Not wisdom
Wisdom is not truth
Truth is not beauty
Beauty is not love
Love is not music
Music is the best...
Wisdom is the domain
Of the wis
(which is extinct).
Beauty is a French
Phonetic corruption
Of a short cloth
Neck ornament
Currently in
Resurgence...


I just noticed that part of this is on the Freak Out Stout label in the other thread.
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Aug 26, 2006 - 01:55pm PT
"I know this is going to sound like heresy, but I have never really liked any of Zappa's music"...

I am with you on this one...

Zappa was a extreamly inventive and creative and that I have always respected... I will admit that when we used to "trip". "Suzy Creamcheese" would take us somewhere else all together...

Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Aug 26, 2006 - 02:03pm PT
That's right, lockn00b!

You can't beat Lynyrd Skynyrd and Pabst Blue Ribbon!
stich

Trad climber
Denver, Colorado
Aug 26, 2006 - 02:07pm PT
I have to admit, but when I hear a lot of that sleazy Southern Fried Rock it makes me feel...uh...well PROUD yew sons a bitches!

locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Aug 26, 2006 - 02:15pm PT
Billy, BIlly, Billy,

Lynyrd Skynyrd were cool...

My tastes lean heavily toward Hendrix, Led Zeplin, Jonny Winters, Ten Years After and Britney Spears...

Zappa just wasn't my thing!!! Neither was that little wimp "Gram Parsons".. (that one will get a rise!!!)

Watch out or I'll sick Mountain Man on you...
Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Aug 26, 2006 - 03:38pm PT
Sweet Home Alabama!

Gram Parsons?
Voltzwgn

Trad climber
Sac CA
Aug 26, 2006 - 04:12pm PT
Zappa played music from many genre rock, jazz, classical and some of what to me is just zappa. So you maybe right that even if you don't like the Zappa music you've heard to date there may still be some Zappa music you'll like out there some where.
philo

Trad climber
boulder, co.
Aug 26, 2006 - 09:50pm PT
Zappa for president! Even a dead guy would do better than the current crop of poodle biters.
Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Aug 26, 2006 - 09:54pm PT
Zappa was running for president, if you remember.
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Aug 26, 2006 - 09:54pm PT
uncle frank was off the handle. he's everybody's dirty uncle telling you dirty little stories your not supposed to hear.

i love all the silliness he puts you through to get you to the rippin' guitar licks.

genius.
philo

Trad climber
boulder, co.
Aug 27, 2006 - 01:00am PT
Give me your dirty love.
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Aug 27, 2006 - 01:05am PT
"So you maybe right that even if you don't like the Zappa music you've heard to date there may still be some Zappa music you'll like out there some where."...

You make a very valid point with this one... And you are correct in your thinking... I stopped listening to Zappa at a certain point in time and never gave him a chance after that... I may have to look into his later work... I love jazz and if he ventured into that arena, who knows??? I may like it...

I will restate what I wrote earlier...

I do not particularly like Zappas earlier works and quit listening to him all together way back when...
cintune

climber
Penn's Woods
Aug 27, 2006 - 01:48am PT
Maybe you might like the instrumentals better. Watermelon in Easter Hay; Zoot Allures; We Are Not Alone; Apostrophe. Tip of the playlist iceberg, but for starters anyway.
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Aug 27, 2006 - 02:03am PT
"Maybe you might like the instrumentals better. Watermelon in Easter Hay; Zoot Allures; We Are Not Alone; Apostrophe. Tip of the playlist iceberg, but for starters anyway."...

Thanks for these suggestions!!!

I will look into it... Our nifty little CD shop out this way actually has a decent assortment of music and of course can order whatever is available...
agent k

climber
currently Berkeley CA
Aug 27, 2006 - 03:50am PT
Evelyn, a modified dog
Viewed the quivering fringe of a special doily
Draped across the piano, with some surprise

In the darkened room
Where the chairs dismayed
And the horrible curtains
Muffled the rain
She could hardly believe her eyes

A curious breeze
A garlic breath
Which sounded like a snore
Somewhere near the Steinway (or even from within)
Had caused the doily fringe to waft & tremble in the gloom

Evelyn, a dog, having undergone
Further modification
Pondered the significance of short-person behavior
In petal-depressed panchromatic resonance
And other highly ambient domains...

Arf she said

agent k

climber
currently Berkeley CA
Aug 27, 2006 - 03:50am PT
I hear the sound of marching feet, down Sunset Blvd to Crescent Heights, and there a Pandora's box, we are confronted to vast quantities of plastic people.
Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Aug 27, 2006 - 10:03am PT
Lockn00b. I have over 100 Zappa cds, if you want to hear some.
Voltzwgn

Trad climber
Sac CA
Aug 27, 2006 - 12:24pm PT
You might try listening to Strictly Gentel, I think it's a nice intro to another side of Frank's music.
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Aug 27, 2006 - 01:50pm PT
"ripped off her bloomers stiffend my thumb
and applied rotation on her sugar plum.
i poked and i stroked 'till my wrist got numb
and i still didn't hear no dinah-mo-hum"



shut up and play your guitar. 3 cd's of zappa guitar madness and not a word is sung on any of the tracks.

tho i always love to hear what uncle frank had to say.
Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Aug 27, 2006 - 02:11pm PT
Can you think of any other musician who has inspired more names for routes than Zappa?

Hendrix, maybe, maybe not!

Bob Candelaria (spelling?) named routes in Colorado from lines from Zappa songs. Like "Brownies in the Basin".
I always wanted to meet Bob.
ha-ha

climber
location
Aug 27, 2006 - 02:22pm PT
You can't always write a chord ugly enough to say what you want to say, so sometimes you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whipped cream.

 Frank Zappa
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Aug 27, 2006 - 02:29pm PT
Blitzo worte:

"Lockn00b. I have over 100 Zappa cds, if you want to hear some."...

that would be cool Billy... Sure thing!!!


I see above someones handle is "Agent K"... Is that the distant cousin of "Agent Kream" or is it a coinsidence???... Or something to do with Zappa???...
Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Aug 27, 2006 - 02:34pm PT
"A breast without a nipple is just a lump of fat!"
Frank Zappa
ha-ha

climber
location
Aug 27, 2006 - 02:43pm PT
one of my all-time favorite nuggets of wisdom...

"Try to imagine what the opposite of loneliness is. Think of it. Everyone in the world loves you? What is that? Realize you are in isolation. Live it! Enjoy it! Just be glad that there aren't a bunch of people who want to use up your time. Because along with all the love and admiration that's going to come from the people that would keep you from being lonely, there is the emotional freight you have to bear from people who are wasting your time, and you can't get that back. So when you're lonely and all by yourself, guess what you have? You have all your own time. That's a pretty good f*#king deal. Something you couldn't buy any place else. And every time you're out being sociable and having other people be "nice" to you so you don't feel "lonely," they are wasting your time. What do you get for it? Because after they're done being nice to you they want something from you. And they've already taken your time! Loneliness, once you've come to deal with it so it is not an uncomfortable sensation, so it doesn't feel like drowning or something, is not a bad deal. It's a good deal. It's the next best thing to solitude. I'm not talking solitary confinement. Solitude. If you're sensitive to loneliness, you're going to be in trouble, because then the loneliness turns into something really painful, a horrible depression and then you die. One way or another, you just die. So who needs that sh#t?"

(from a 1986 Zappa interview in Progressive magazine)
Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Aug 27, 2006 - 02:48pm PT
So true!
agent k

climber
currently Berkeley CA
Aug 27, 2006 - 07:00pm PT
No locker, I'm an entirely autonomous entity. In my book, agent K is the character played by Tommy Lee Jones in "Men in Black".

Now: what's this Agent Kream? A human? A program? Has it something to do with Suzy Creamcheese?

Truly yours, Agent K
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Aug 27, 2006 - 07:19pm PT
Agent K,

No "Agent Kream" is actually me... I used it (And everyone of course always knew it was me so that in it's own right made it even more stupid and funnier...)... to "out" Lois/LEB... It was a "Code system" and she passed with flying colors...(I think)...

thanks for clearing that up by the way...

I was just curious...
Jonny D

Social climber
Lost Angelez, Kalifornia
Aug 31, 2006 - 03:06am PT
Baby snakes playing in Santa Monica tonite!!

http://www.americancinematheque.com/archive1999/2006/Aero/ModsandRockersAero2006.htm#BABY%20SNAKES
steelmnkey

climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
Aug 31, 2006 - 09:30am PT
Locker mentioning Johnny Winter made me think of a concert I saw around '87 in Dallas. As is popular today, they converted a bunch of warehouses into a shopping mall setup and they had a sort of stage area in the middle. Johnny Winter is on the bill for their Monday night summer concert series that featured bands from the 70's. I was working 12x7 at the time and we went to every one of those concerts. I like the dude's music, but I figure Johnny W. has to be one of the ugliest human beings alive, not to mention he'd passed his prime about 20 clicks back. So we're drinkin' beer and enjoying the music when I get an elbow from my buddy. He points ahead to a spot in front of the stage. There's a chick (very attractive) there on some guy's shoulders and she's FLASHING her tomatoes at Johnny Winter up on stage!

The power of music...

RIP Frank.
de eee

Mountain climber
Tustin
Aug 31, 2006 - 09:43am PT
Dynamo-hum (was that the album title?) was one of the first LP's I ever bought.
Frank was genious, his guitar playin' was good as well.
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 31, 2006 - 09:55am PT
Burnt Weenie Sandwich is FZ's perfect recording. Everything came together, Don Preston, Ian Underwood, Sugarcane Harris, the Gardner Brothers, and of course, Jimmy Carl Black.
feelio Babar

Trad climber
SLC
Aug 31, 2006 - 10:36am PT
"Don't fool yourself girl..it's goin right up the poop chute!

Chorus: Ram it, ram it, ramit up the pooop chute!"


Ahhh....Zappa.
Mike.

climber
Aug 31, 2006 - 10:54am PT
F*#k you, John Wayne!


(Read the autobio.)
Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Aug 31, 2006 - 11:10am PT
de eee, Dinah-Mo-Hum was from "Overnight Sensation".
It was released on September 1, 1973.
Jean-luc Ponty played on it.
It also contained, "Camarillo Brillo", "I'm the Slime", "Dirty Love", "Fifty-Fifty", "Zomby Woof" and "Montana".

Classic!

d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Aug 31, 2006 - 10:08pm PT
overnight sensation was my intro to zappa. blew me away. how could a band be so silly yet so tight.

hey blitzo,
did you really see the dead w/pigpen?
i dig the mother mcree stuff.
Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Aug 31, 2006 - 11:34pm PT
Yep, saw the Dead with Pig Pen a few times. He was usually drunk. Saw them one time with Janis Joplin, she was really drunk too! She kinda sucked! Even with all the acid!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Sep 1, 2006 - 12:42am PT
Saw The Who at Winterland in 1976 (with Keith Moon)... Billy Graham lotteried off the tickets and we (Debbie and I) won a pair. A very cool concert with my ears buzzing for days.

If you're into Janis, The Dead, etc, get the "Festival Express" DVD, it'll take you back to the past faster than clicking on the Mussy 'Neb' threads.
Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Sep 1, 2006 - 10:12am PT
Billy Graham, the avangelist?
I thought that he said Rock Music is Satanic!
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 1, 2006 - 10:25am PT
Overnight Sensation was a huge dissapointment for me. It was the beginning of a long downhill slide, IMHO.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Sep 1, 2006 - 10:58am PT
perhaps the SF Bill Graham reference is too local... but then, us NoCal, Bay Area folk are probably guilty of our insular thinking
Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Sep 1, 2006 - 11:09am PT
Bill Graham Productions are nation wide.
You said Billy Graham!
I was just kidding around.
I remember Bill always coming out on stage and warning the kids about the "bad acid" going around.
Jaybro

Social climber
The West
Sep 1, 2006 - 12:49pm PT
Ever see the Dead new years tape where Bill G apparently Did get the bad (good?) 'cid? He babbeled inanely on camera inducing Ken Kesey & Guido Sartucci, of all people, to try to cover for him; now that was theatre!
Mimi

climber
Sep 29, 2006 - 11:53pm PT
This tour should be entertaining.

http://www.hob.com/tickets/searchresults.asp?artist=zappa

http://www.ticketmaster.com/artist/1017931
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Sep 29, 2006 - 11:55pm PT
wow Mimi, FZ's "Mud Shark" just went by on my iTunes random sample.... must be something in the aether!
Mimi

climber
Sep 30, 2006 - 12:00am PT
The Mud Shark, eh? A dance of unbridled passion...

Due to extenuating circumstances, I'm hoping to make both the NO and Seattle shows. Can't wait!
Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Sep 30, 2006 - 01:16am PT
The Mud Shark! I named a route after that, at Lower Cascade Falls.

Mud Sh-sh-shark
THE MUD SHARK DANCING LESSON!
Mud Sh-sh-shark
We're gonna do a little dancing,
A little dancing thing called the Mud Shark
Now, this dance started up in Seattle
Lemme tell you 'bout the Mud Shark...
The origins of the Mud Shark are as follows: There's a motel in Seattle, Washington called the Edgewater Inn. The Edgewater Inn's built on a pier.. so that means that when you look out your window you don't see any dirt -- it's got a bay or something out in your backyard,,, And to make it even more interesting, in the lobby of the aforementioned motel there's a bait and tackle shop where the residents can go down whenever they want to, and rent a fishing pole and some preserved minnows and schlep back up to their rooms, open the window, stick their little pole outside and within a few minutes actually catch a fish of some sort that they can bring into their motel room and do whatever they want with it... you know what I mean? Now in this bay there's quite a variety of ah... fish! Not only do they have mud sharks up there, they got little octopusses that you can catch. And all these denizens of the deep can come in real handy... Let's say you were a travelling Rock and Roll band called the Vanilla Fudge. Let's
say one night you checked into the Edgewater Inn Motel with a 8mm movie camera, enough money to rent a pole, and just to make it more interesting -- a succulent young lady (Mnaaaah!) with a taste for the bizarre... My mind drifts back to a meeting, a chance meeting in the Chicago O'Hare Airport where the members of the Vanilla Fudge told Don Preston about a home movie they made at the Edgewater Inn with a Mud Shark. I'm gonna tell you, this dance, the Mud Shark, is sweeping the ocean!...
Out
You go out
So far out
You do the Mud Shark. baby ... etc



Mimi

climber
Dec 23, 2006 - 01:15pm PT
Saw Dweezil Zappa on the Zappa Plays Zappa Tour last night. Unbelievable 3-hour show! He's doing a superb job playing Frank's music. Saw Frank only once for the You Are What You Is Tour with Steve Vai and I'll never forget it.

Last night's show included Steve Vai and Terry Bozzio who were beyond great. Napoleon Murphy Brock was hilarious. Hadn't seen Bozzio or NMB before; amazing performers. All of the other musicians were excellent. They made a DVD of the show. Should be a good one. Talk about adoring fans. I got choked up at one point it was so good.

Dweezil says they're going to be touring annually. I'll be there!

One more show on Dec. 30th in Cabazon, Key Club at Morongo, for you Californians. I looked and there are tickets still available.

Don't miss this show if you're in the area!
mojede

Trad climber
Butte, America
Dec 23, 2006 - 11:40pm PT
For the "facts" on the Mudshark incident, read Hammer of the Gods about the mighty Led Zep. Yeah, Vanilla Fudge was there and was involved, but supposedly it was a Red Snapper they caught and hung in the closets and "used" on a redhaired groupie hanging out in Bonzo's room. Something was said like, "Looks like we've got a red snapper in her red snapper." Great Urban rock-n-roll legend though.
oldtopangalizard

Social climber
ca
Dec 25, 2006 - 06:59am PT
A friend from Portland saw the show and said it was great. I saw the posting in SF, but did not go a few weeks back. We used to see Frank play in Socal quite a bit. I have many Zappa stories, but I'll tell you one of disappointment.
One year I had great seats to see Frank on New Years Eve in Long Beach. Some time around '77 - '79. I was pumped but had a domestic problem. My girlfriend at the time hated Zappa. She never went to a Zappa show with me, but heard the music more than she would have liked. She didn't want to go, and wanted to attend her girlfriend's party. As Frank would say, "Chivalry is not dead, it just smells funny". Though given the out, I couldn't leave her on New Years. I gave the tickets to my brother.
Now Frank was notorious for playing short sets, whether planned or due to tempermental changes. I once saw him play for 75 minutes. The party was 50 minutes from Long Beach.
Needless to say the party was boring, but I made the most of it. Well sure enough, my brother rolls in to the party with about 15 minutes to midnight. he said the show was great but horribly foreshortened.
I got over it, but looking back, it was one of the bigger regrets of that relationship. That and bailing on The Grand in '78 because she was scared. She was not much of a climber, but a solid backpacker, plus she put up with my dirtbag sh#t for years.
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 26, 2006 - 12:45am PT
Guess I was lucky to see FZ do a fairly long show. It was at Roberts Municipal Stadium in Evansville in the late '70s. Some generic boogie band was the opening act. After they finished, everyone left except for about 500 of us.

The stage was dark, then suddenly a lonesome wailing sax...a spot lights up on Captain Beefheart wearing a yellow and black rugby shirt. Walking around stage with a silver soprano sax looking like a bebop bumblebee.

It was mesmerizing. It was the highlight of the night. Most of the rest of the show consisited of Frank bitching about the acoustics.
hossjulia

Trad climber
Eastside
Dec 26, 2006 - 11:26am PT
My own Zappa story has nothing to do with his "music", which I find hard to listen to. Love his lyrics and satire, just not the tunes. (My Dad thought he was a genius, and I do to.)

Anyway, I was at a party in DT SD when I was way too young to be at such affairs. It was getting larger as the night wore on, and the guy I was with was like, "Oh my God, look who just walked in!" I had no idea who he was talking about, but I knew my folks had just gone to his show, maybe that night. Uhhu, Zappa himself graced our presence. Then he sat in a chair and didn't say a word, as far as I saw, for the rest of the night.

End of boring story.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Dec 26, 2006 - 04:15pm PT
"I'll ignore your cheap aroma and your little bo peep diploma

Just put me in a coma with your dirty luv..."

Always wanted to try that line...
Mimi

climber
Nov 21, 2007 - 11:27pm PT
Saw the Zappa Plays Zappa show again Monday. Same core band with Ray White singing and no Bozzio or Vai. Nearly 3 hours. Virtually ditto from my post last year with no repeats and he added three high quality films of Frank playing which were really fun to watch.

If you can catch a show, don't miss it. The kid can really play and he obviously enjoys playing his dad's music.
nature

climber
Flagstaff, AZ
Nov 21, 2007 - 11:49pm PT
There's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....


Some people... some people like cupcakes exclusively, while myself, I say
There is naught nor ought there be nothing so exalted on the face of gods grey
Earth as that prince of foods... the muffin!
Mimi

climber
Nov 21, 2007 - 11:53pm PT
Great song. He ended the show with Muffin Man.
marky

climber
Nov 21, 2007 - 11:56pm PT
Honestly, if Zappa were around in 2007, he'd release an album titled "This Country Isn't Fun Anymore"

No fukking shtt
Mimi

climber
Nov 22, 2007 - 12:09am PT
More Trouble Everyday
TrundleBum

Trad climber
Las Vegas
Nov 22, 2007 - 12:37am PT
Oh man what a thread, don't even get me going


"I may be gross and perverted but you can't look away.
I'll make you thin I'm delicious with the stuff that I say.

I am the best you can get, have you guessed me yet ?"
~~~~~~~~~
Thank God the 'Dweez' has taken up arms...
He aint the old man but he does his music justice in a world that might soon forget the genius of the man.
~~~~~~~~~

"you know yah momma, and yer daddy...
say'n I'm no good for you ooh oooh.
The call me dirty, from the alley,
and I don't know what to do oooh ooooh....

I get so tired of sneaking around,
just to get to your back door,
I crawl past the garbage and yer momma jumps out,
screaming "don't come back no more, I can't take it...
My guitar want's to kill yo momma....


there's great stuff up on you tube these days-->
Satriani, Vie and Eric Johnson ripping "My guitar want's to kill yo momma"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGShzXQEEMA

The version FZ did of "whipping post" put the Allman Bros' to shame.

I prefer the ver with the reggae lead on strat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FUAgIBysj4
But the Les Paul with heavy flange is not to shabby either
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5umnvEzgkdA

FZ was my all time #1 master blaster

Black Napkins
Black page
make the waters run black
sexual harrasment in the work place
ship to late to save a drowning witch
watermelon in the easter hay
sofa #1

Obviously the crude lyrics were mere sideline play for the man.


Spencer Adkisson

Trad climber
Reno, NV
Nov 22, 2007 - 01:23am PT
Nice TrundleBum! Thanks for posting that. I had some serious head bobbing going on watching those clips. The Steve Vai/Satriani clip really underscores what a great song that is. Freakin' rockin' my dome man!!!

Thanks again----SA
Watusi

Social climber
Newport, OR
Nov 22, 2007 - 09:53pm PT
"I got a big dilemma, about my Big Leg Emma!"

I recently saw Dweezil doing the " Zappa plays Zappa" tour at The Morongo Casino! He played all his pop's music for at least 3 hours, trading leads with Steve Vai, Terry Bozio on drums, and even Napolean Murphy Brock! it was Cool!
TrundleBum

Trad climber
Las Vegas
Nov 23, 2007 - 05:32am PT
watusi:

That was last years show.
This year's tour was sans Vai, Bozio, and Napolean,
But touted Ray White, who sang a good deal of the tunes,
including "Illinois enema bandit"

The couple of times I caught FZ in concert Ray was not with the band at the time, so I was stoked to see/hear him.

Lat year... how about Bozzio ? he so belted out 'I'm so cute'.
Napoleaon... well what needs to be said ?
^^^^^^he's an unsung superstar^^^^^
Vai er.. "I love my self better than I love myself..."
but the man does shred pretty effortlessly ;)

Bozzio interview re: Zappa plays Zappa
http://youtube.com/watch?v=i96YmOj0mlI
TrundleBum

Trad climber
Las Vegas
Nov 23, 2007 - 06:12am PT
Speaking of Bozzio
(anyone ever catch he and his wife Dale in Missing persons?)

All star cast, all time tune
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dQsh-wzz27w&feature=related
Mimi

climber
Jan 5, 2009 - 01:01am PT
Well folks, once again, Dweezil delivered tonight. Great show in a small venue this time. You Californians still have a shot to catch the end of the tour.

http://www.zappa.com/zpz/tourdates.html
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jan 5, 2009 - 01:14am PT
The world is so incomplete without this video of Inca Roads!!
It takes a few minutes to watch, but worth every second.
You've got to hang in there until the wild stuff starts happening at 2:36 !!!!

C'mon man..Fuggin' dig it!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36HG72P-RBI
apogee

climber
Jan 5, 2009 - 01:22am PT

dogtown

climber
Cheyenne,Wyoming
Jan 5, 2009 - 01:22am PT
Jaybro;

Stich just forgot where the Huskies go had to much yellow snow.
rich sims

Trad climber
co
Jan 5, 2009 - 01:33am PT
Mothers of Invention
apogee

climber
Jan 5, 2009 - 02:02am PT

Is that a real poncho, or is that a Sears poncho?
apogee

climber
Jan 5, 2009 - 02:10am PT

Rzzzzzzz!
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jan 5, 2009 - 02:14am PT
Capt. Beefheart

survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jan 5, 2009 - 02:15am PT
More Capt.


Walleye

climber
The Pillored Entrance of the Same Mansion
Jan 5, 2009 - 02:17am PT
Bulbous also tapered.

That's right.
apogee

climber
Jan 5, 2009 - 02:17am PT

I'm thinkin' the odds be fifty-fifty...
I just might have somethin' to sa-a-y!
apogee

climber
Jan 5, 2009 - 02:21am PT

I said I wonder what's the shoes for
She told me "Don't you worry no more"
And got right down there on the tile floor
"Now darling stomp all over me"
Carolina Hard-core ecstasy
apogee

climber
Jan 5, 2009 - 02:26am PT

It was a Stratocaster with a whammy-bar...
mike bodine

climber
bishop, ca
Jan 5, 2009 - 07:49pm PT
hey, dec 21 was fz's b-day. let's all toast.
saw 'joes garage' opera in hollywood months ago, better than i thought, met gail-
good times-
i feel some pleasure in knowing i will always have music to turn to, even if it's imaginary notes to keep me going from day to day.

bodine
Hankster

Trad climber
Eldorado Springs, CO
Jan 5, 2009 - 08:15pm PT
"Thing Fish" is his greatest recording, if you don't like that, then I don't like you.

Caylor
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jan 5, 2009 - 09:05pm PT
Best watch out fo de latch!
steelmnkey

climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
Jan 5, 2009 - 09:11pm PT
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jan 5, 2009 - 09:45pm PT
Featuring the Fluorescent Leetch and Eddie!
Dr. Rock

Ice climber
Jan 6, 2009 - 12:02am PT
Hey man, don't forget these guys...

Jaybro

Social climber
wuz real!
Jan 6, 2009 - 12:05am PT
You only get on chance in life to play a song that goes like this...
TrundleBum

Trad climber
Las Vegas
Jan 6, 2009 - 12:35am PT
ooops you guys reminded me, I've been lagging!

Sooo I just spent a few ducketts to make sure I am not with out.

WOOoooo HOOOooooo

It'll be my third time catching Dweezil in this context and venue.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Performance Date Venue Section Row Seat
ZAPPA PLAYS ZAPPA 2/27/09 7:00 PM
House of Blues - Las Vegas, NV GAFLR GA4 176


Your Order Number: 18616061
Selected Delivery Method: Regular Mail Dear TrundleBum,
Thank you for purchasing your 1 ticket(s) from House of Blues.
This email serves as your receipt.
Your method of delivery is: Regular Mail

ORDER: 18616061
Your ticket(s) are for an event at the following venue(s): House of
Blues - Las Vegas, NV
Price: $51.70


If it's anything last the last two...
Money ^ well spent !
apogee

climber
Jan 6, 2009 - 12:52am PT
Wonder

climber
WA
Jan 7, 2009 - 11:30pm PT
I was searching for something and I found this thread. I want to remind everyone that for your Zappa hits you can go to Zappa Radio.

http://www.zappa.com/zapparadio/index.html
east side underground

Trad climber
Hilton crk,ca
Jan 8, 2009 - 11:15am PT
anyone seen Zappa doing Zappa? heard about it on the radio
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jan 8, 2009 - 11:22am PT
Buggs and I saw ZPZ at the Warner theater in Washington DC.

It was absofeckinlutely awesome. Dweezil had a great tight band like dad always did.

They played FZ tunes from all eras, all beautifully.

Having 3 special guests from dads bands was super cool too.

Steve Vai played as surgically as always, but I thought Dweezil played with more grease and soul when they were cuttin' heads.

Well worth the ticket price!
east side underground

Trad climber
Hilton crk,ca
Jan 8, 2009 - 11:32am PT
sweet!!!!love to catch that show
Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Jan 8, 2009 - 01:55pm PT
There is a new Zappa Beer from Lagunita's.

Rueben and the Jets. I'll post a photo when I get a bottle.
Indianclimber

Trad climber
Lost Wages
Jan 8, 2009 - 11:11pm PT
Some cool stuff at Wolfgangs Vault

Dr. Rock

Ice climber
Jan 8, 2009 - 11:22pm PT
Mimi

climber
Jan 8, 2009 - 11:46pm PT
I've had three of those Zappa beers. They're pretty good. So many skilled brewmeisters out there.

A few shots from the show the other night. I didn't want to use the flash so most were blurry despite setting the camera on a tall gin and tonic glass to steady it. They were nice enough to release a free MP3 of the show via download.

Every member of his band is big time talented and Ray White's vocals adds that classic sound. Sheila Gonzales is amazing and can play just about anything.




Walleye

climber
The Pillored Entrance of the Same Mansion
Jan 8, 2009 - 11:51pm PT
THE DWEEEZZE!!

Edit: Nice photos there Mimi Girl.
Walleye

climber
The Pillored Entrance of the Same Mansion
Jan 9, 2009 - 12:03am PT
The 4th season of Saturday Night Live just got released on DVD and Frank hosted and was the musical guest on the third episode. Great stuff, especially the skit "Night on Freak Mountain" and when Belushi comes out as Futabwa the Samurai and scat sings while Zappa conducts the band.....
Mimi

climber
Jan 9, 2009 - 12:05am PT
Gotta see that!
diablo

Trad climber
sd,ca
Jan 10, 2009 - 12:41am PT
dynamo hum dynamo hum ,wheres that dymo cumin from, done spent 3 hrs and aint got a c#m from the dynamo dynmo !!
Billy was a mountian, Ethil was a tree growing off of her shoulder.
gota big delema about a big leg ema , ahu ahoho
movin to montana soon, goona be a dental floss tycoon, " gonna raise me a crop ,just abou this big, me and my Pigmy pony,
magdalana magdalana, daughter from the sunset skys of Los Angeles, I wanna take you into the closet and take all your clothes off untill you a stark raving nude, spread mayonaise and Kayopectay all over your body, and we>>>>>
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jan 10, 2009 - 12:49am PT
She took off her rancid poncho
And laid out naked on the floor.
We did it till we were unchoncho
And it was useless anymore.

Man, they just don't write songs like that anymore.

Come to think of it, the never wrote songs like that before, either.
Mimi

climber
Jan 10, 2009 - 01:24am PT
Third pic from the top is Billy the Mt. The xylo player came out and did the narration. They did a great job.
Dr. Rock

Ice climber
Jan 10, 2009 - 01:26am PT
Hah! $3.50 won't even park your car nowadays.




Hah! $2.50won't even buy you a hot dog nowadays...




Hah! $2.00 won't even buy you a roach clip nowadays...




from BAM:

Frank Zappa vs the World! - Part One

from BAM Magazine, October 5, 1979
"If you thought 'Jewish Princess' was offensive, wait 'til you hear 'Catholic Girls'"

Los Angeles—Frank Zappa sits leaning over the mixing board, yellow pencil in hand, studying a typed lyric sheet. Wearing a grey, shapeless shirt, grey pants, purple socks and brown loafers, he looks like a pleasantly absorbed research scientist in the midst of a fascinating experiment. It's approaching midnight, but in the shadowy confines of Village Recording Studios, that means very little to the group of musicians at work.
"Let me hear that bridge again," he says to the engineer Joe Chiccarelli, who responds by flicking a dozen switches in a matter of seconds. Zappa takes a slow drag from his cigarette. "I'm trying to decide whether we keep the singing or add talking here."
He looks up suddenly, acknowledging the guests who have sidled into the tiny control booth. They're putting the final touches on a concept piece, he explains, entitled Joe's Garage. It's about an upstanding young man whose life turns topsy-turvy when he puts together a rock and roll band that starts jamming in his parents' garage. "After this girl, Lucille, messes Joe's mind up, he goes to the First Church of Appliantology for help," Zappa says. "L. Ron Hoover, the leader of this church, tells him that he has to go into this club, called the Closet, dressed up like a housewife, and speak German. Then he's got to pick up one of the groovy appliances that spend their time dancing around in this club. He meets this computer and goes home with it."
"And gets a blowjob?" somebody asks.
"Oh it's worse than a blowjob!" he leers. "This is really sick!"
Giggles erupt from the half-dozen people crammed into this smokey, cluttered room, as Zappa turns his attention back to the problem at hand. For the next few hours he keeps vocalist Ike Willis busy laying down double-track harmonies for an ethereal ballad called "I Can't Wait To See What It's Like On The Outside Now." When his visitors finally drag themselves out into the West Los Angeles morning, Zappa is reaching for another cup of coffe from the thermos at his feet, and eyeing another typed lyric sheet.

That, in a nutshell, is the Frank Zappa the public never sees. Never mind the lurid stories about the "gross-out" contest allegedly held between himself and the Fugs—which Zappa supposedly won after eating his own feces onstage—or the wild rumor that has him stomping baby chicks to death during one especially rocking encore. Zappa doesn't have time for such non-musical antics and he never has.

The 38-year-old musician has released 28 albums since the Mothers of Invention zapped the world with the conceptual double LP, Freak Out, in 1965. since then, Zappa projects have ranged from the 1968 Beatles parody, We're Only In It For The Money; to the orchestrated granddaddy of the jazz-fusion genre, Lumpy Gravy; to this year's Sheik Yerbouti, a double-disc helping of breezey sleaze that had people praising and damning the no-holds-barred contents.
Sheik Yerbouti was hardly on the market before the Anti-Defamation Leage of B'nai B'rith filed a formal protest with the FCC. The League claimed that the lyrics to a kazoo-propelled ditty called "Jewish Princess" were "vulgar, sexual and anti-Semitic references which leave very little to the imagination."
Despite, or perhaps because of the furor, Sheik Yerbouti was an unqualified commercial success. "Dancin' Fool", the disco send-up that was inoffensive enough to become the album's single, peaked Billboard magazine's sales charts at Number 23. This from an artist who was dismissed by at least one music critic in 1965: "With voices that should put an alley cat on a fence at midnight to shame," wrote the disgruntled reviewer about Freak Out!, "these 'mothers' have wasted two records and an album cover of indescribably poor taste recording 80 minutes of pure trash."
But criticism has always rolled off Zappa's back like water off a duck. While the League was harping, he was readying other projects: Warts And All, a double live album, was culled from performances at the 1978 Halloween show in New York and a January engagement at the Hammersmith Odeon in England; Shut Up And Play Your Guitar is an album of blistering Zappa guitar work, sans vocals, which he plans to sell through mail-order. "It's just for fetishists," he says, laughing. "For those who want to hear my guitar work, that's the album for them."

With these works completed (but as yet unreleased), Zappa moved into Village Recorders on April 11, planning to record a couple of songs and then split. By the first of June, he and his entourage had completed a dozen tunes. According to one studio staffer, Zappa claimed to have exhausted his supply of written material, but asked to extend his stay nonetheless.
"I'm going home and writing an opera this weekend," he told the skeptical staff. The following Monday, was back in the studio with Joe's Garage.
This concept piece wove the material Zappa had already recorded with other songs he'd written over the weekend. The final product was a three-record rock opus detailing the adventures of Joe, a struggling electric guitarist, and his erstwhile girlfriend, Mary. Narrated by the Central Scrutinizer, a spy for the music-hating Future Police, Joe's Garage takes on promiscuous Catholic schoolgirls, wet T-shirt contests, venereal disease, weirdo cults, horny appliances, kinky groupies, and perverted record company executives.
Joe's Garage, Act One was released in early September as the first installment of the trilogy. This disc traces the story up until Joe's involvement with the Church of Appliantology. The two remaining acts are slated for release as a double-record set in mid-November. Zappa insists that the whole project was an outgrowth of a very simple recording project.
It just kind of snowballed," he says, shrugging.
Marv Griefinger, Zappa's longtime publicist, puts it another way. "Frank needs a vacation, but he doesn't know how to go about it like normal people," he says. "He just doesn't know how to go somewhere and relax."

One week after the all-night recording session, Zappa and Chiccarelli sit listening to their final mixes of the new material in the basement of Frank's Laurel Canyon home. A huge, state-of-the-art mixing board dominates the low-slung, wood-paneled room. More recording equipment, gleaming machinery and boxes of recording tape are piled up in the cramped work space. All of this will eventually be moved into the recording studio Zappa is building alongside his house.
Joe's Garage, Act One is blasting through overhead speakers. The title track, a '50s-style rocker, with doo-wop male backup chorus and bleeping saxophones, leads into "Catholic Girls," the lewd follow-up to "Jewish Princess." A lighthearted number with a bouncy beat, "Catholic Girls" celebrates fellatio parties in a rectory basement: "Father Riley's a fairy/But it don't bother Mary... With a tongue like a cow/She could make you go wow!"
Zappa sits at the board, smiling slightly, as other snappy tunes rattle by. "Crew Slut" is what they call Mary when she runs off with some roadies from a rock band. In "Wet T-Shirt Nite," Zappa is the voice of an emcee working over a contestant (Mary) in a cheesy flesh show. Ike Willis sings his socks off in "Why Does It Hurt When I Pee?", an essay on the painful physical effects of VD.
When the tape winds to an end, Zappa flops onto an old-fashioned, burgundy-colored couch to talk about his current projects.
Reilly

Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
Jan 10, 2009 - 02:08am PT
An excellent thread, a lotta love here. Survival was right, though he didn't say it, but Beefheart is the only other person who should be mentioned in the same breath, especially as they were friends. The last time I saw Moon she said he wasn't doing so well. I suspect Mozart would have dug 'em...
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jan 10, 2009 - 02:51am PT
Thanks Reilly, that's a real compliment.

It wasn't easy being me and my buddies in 1976.
Try explaining those two guys to most of the chicks we were tryin' to get the pants off of back then......

Luckily, there were a few who understood,.... after the proper herbal enhancements!





TrundleBum

Trad climber
Las Vegas
Jan 10, 2009 - 04:07am PT

"Hi, It's me, I'm Back..."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Edgard Varèse



~~~~~~~~~~~~~

(over at Utube):
The Dweez doing justice to Black Napkins






Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jan 10, 2009 - 01:39pm PT
The modern composer refuses to die---- EV

This one is for Weschrist.........

It Just Might be a One-Shot Deal

If the froggy come up-a with his
Satchel in his hand,
Then he reachs in the front and
Dump a mile of sand
Across the rug, along the hall
Up to the umbrella stand
That you've been watchin' all the time
Watchin' all the time

And if a forest grows up
[ Find more Lyrics at www.mp3lyrics.org/VHD ]
From the dirt on the floor,
Then the frog with the satchel had just
Dumped beside the door.
You just startin' to get worried,
You ain't going out no more
And it's confusin' to your mind

Just consider this:
You can be scared when it gets too real
You can be scared when it gets too real
But you should be diggin' it
While it's happening. (Yes!)
But you should be diggin' it
While it's happening
'cause it just might be
A one-shot deal

You can be lost
And you can wanna be found.
But keep an eye on that frog
Whenever he jump around
Just keep a-watchin' him
You oughta be watchin' him
Just keep a-watchin' him
You wanna be watchin' him
And see if he has brought along
A little bag for you, rant!
BrassNuts

Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
Jan 10, 2009 - 02:41pm PT
An old college friend back in '81... doin the Zappa look alike thing. Long live the Central Scrutinizer!


Walleye

climber
The Pillored Entrance of the Same Mansion
Jan 10, 2009 - 03:01pm PT
Weennyyyyyy weeny weeny weeny
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jan 10, 2009 - 05:25pm PT
Make it go fast...magical thing!!!
Mimi

climber
Jan 10, 2009 - 05:54pm PT
These ales are brewed by the Lagunitas Brewing Co., Petaluma, CA. +7%v

Released in celebration of the 40th anniversary of the release of Absolutely Free.

Walleye

climber
The Pillored Entrance of the Same Mansion
Jan 10, 2009 - 06:45pm PT
Good post there Big Leg Emma. I got inspired by this thread and just got done listening to all 3 discs of Shut and Play Your Guitar. Canard du Jour anyone?
Mimi

climber
Jan 10, 2009 - 06:54pm PT
Picked this vault collection up at the show. Just listened to it. Great stuff.


Walleye

climber
The Pillored Entrance of the Same Mansion
Jan 10, 2009 - 07:11pm PT
Rollo is the song F.Z. does on Saturday Night Live with Belushi's Scat Singing Samurai..
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jan 11, 2009 - 04:31pm PT
Watch out fer the Space Boogers! You'll never get em off ya....
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jan 11, 2009 - 06:08pm PT
In the beginning there was a double album.........Freak Out!





The recently deceased Mother Jimmy Carl Black, left front.

Some of the hilarious liner notes.



And the Mothers' roster!



A definite top five FZ release!
Walleye

climber
The Pillored Entrance of the Same Mansion
Jan 11, 2009 - 06:19pm PT
And I'm the Indian of the group.
TrundleBum

Trad climber
Las Vegas
Feb 27, 2009 - 06:25pm PT
Woot !

Tonight I will be going:
"Out through the night and the whispering breezes..."

Zappa plays Zappa @ LV HOB

BTW:
Wasn't FZ's 'Freak Out' album a smasher by being the first ever double record set ever marketed ?
They (the record industry magnates) said it wouldn't be economically viable.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 27, 2009 - 06:27pm PT
Buggs and I had such a great time at that show!
It crushes...
TrundleBum

Trad climber
Las Vegas
Feb 27, 2009 - 06:29pm PT
It'll be my third time around.
I am stoked.
The kid sure does his daddy proud !
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 27, 2009 - 09:53pm PT
His guitar wants to kill yo mama, too!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 27, 2009 - 11:50pm PT
hey hey Dr. Rock, The Fuggs, not sure this place would be ready for their likes...

played a CD of Fuggs at Sunrise Rock Gym one night, the young kid behind the desk had very wide eyes when Coca Cola Douche played...


Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 28, 2009 - 08:51pm PT
The experience transformed him into a Seeker......

Lots of raunchy goodness from Frank. I once had group of classmates over for climbing slides in college and had left Joe's Garage Act 1 out about ten albums down in the stack. Fate would have it that a fairly proper premed picked it out!

Are you sure you want to hear this, I asked? A nod , a needle and out came The Central Scrutinizer and all ears were on the stereo. Most in the room were freshmen and FZ was entirely new to them. I just had to laugh at the situation as he lead into Crew Slut and the side was on!
Walleye

climber
Inking the deal at Ralph Spoilsport Motors
Feb 28, 2009 - 08:58pm PT
Ed H.. The kids eyes got wide because his mommy defeated him.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Mar 14, 2009 - 06:53pm PT
Bumps on an oldtopangalizard!!!
pip the dog

Mountain climber
planet dogboy
Mar 15, 2009 - 12:35am PT
Ok, I’ve followed this thread forever – so now you have to endure my Zappa story:

[Massive Post Warning – Think PgDn Key]

My youngest brother (of many) and I need to go from alameda, ca to burlington, vt to attend the baptism of yet another brother's (of many)’s first (surprise!) child. And I (the atheist) have been appointed Godfather (for reasons as of yet unclear, though I will do my duty if required and send young Sean to CATHOLIC REFORM SCHOOL – where, like me, he’ll surely “get religion.” Well, if nothing else, he’ll likely get a great education and all of the basic tools to read the western canon. Like me.

So anyway – I kinda loose track of the date and so does my youngest brother/slob roommate. Then suddenly we remember -- but oh so late that the airfare for the two of us would be at that point on the order of $4,500(US$). We’re fooked.

So with the baptism (et al) like 3 days and change away, we decide to drive it -- in my POS car, as youngest brother’s POS is _really_ a POS. According to Yahoo Maps: Distance = 3065.93 miles. Time = 44 Hrs 50 Min (yeah, right, perhaps in an F15)

So off we go. Poorly organized, poorly packed, and like the three stooges forever dope slapping each other. I do the first “pitch” -- I drive from effectively the SF Bay Bridge to the Utah/Wyoming border, where I collapse into blessed unconsciousness.

So little brother takes the wheel. Somewhere kinda near Rock Springs. I think. Kinda, maybe. Well close.
~~~

OK, here I need to pause a moment and better define “Poorly organized, poorly packed”

[1] I had this thingamabobby that allowed me to patch a little CD player directly into an amp that had more horsepower than my POS car. Only we had failed to bring it. So we had 287 CD’s that we could not play.

[2] That left us with just what we could feed into the high end yet antiquated cassette deck/radio. And we just happened to have but one cassette tape, accidently in the trunk. And that was a Zappa mix (mostly “Joe’s Garage”) -- that the other brother (of many) now suddenly a parent (of many) had sent us -- well, me, actually.
~~~

Now I think FRANK! (my clan just calls Zappa ‘FRANK!') is great. I dig FRANK!. Though not so much as my then recently parented and then starving intern brother did/does. So I end up driving for like 20 hours listening to the same FRANK!. And I am like going, well, even more insane. Imagine that. Yet my littlest brother keeps popping our one damn tape in as he’s no big fan of what little AM one can pick up in, like, i dunno, say Wendover.

So we make “THE DEAL” – and this is actually important to this story (if you actually give a sh!t and are still reading this nonsense). And “THE DEAL” is this: for the remaining 2,000 miles (and god only knows how many hours) – little brother (and me) can only play FRANK once every 4 hours. That’s it. that’s “THE DEAL”
~~~

Got that? OK. So now I am unconscious with my head weaving above my own lap as little brother is howling across I-80 through Wyoming and then Nebraska. Fine, good, let’s keep moving here, for we’re morons and we’re gonna be late. And I’m the fookin’ godfather here and my clan is gonna slap the sh!t out of me if I am late.
~~~

So, well, most of you have done the endless road trip gig, so you know what I am talking about when I say that I’m strapped in on the passenger side, still unconscious, with my head like weaving around leaving this trail of drool all over my pants.

But I’m having this nightmare of FRANK! FRANK! FRANK! Like over and over again. And while I dug (and dig) FRANK! – well, with him like me, “a little dab’ll do ya” (my grandfather’s line – has to do with BrylCreem... nevermind)

So I’m having this endless nightmare based on the same endless soundtrack. And in this nightmare the car seems to be bouncing all over the road, like out of control. So I wake up, kinda. And the first thing I see is like 53 styrofoam coffee cups all over my legs and feet. The second thing I see is hail the size of… well, not quite golfballs, but damned close, hammering and cracking _my_ windshield on _my_ POS. And the third thing I see is my littlest brother with pupils the size of quarters and his head up against the windshield glass going like 93mph.

And, I realize, eventually, the car really is bouncing all over the road, and there really is hail almost the size of golfballs, and that neither of us could hope to see so much as the hood ornament. And we’re going, truly, 93mph. This is not just a bad dream with a good soundtrack.
~~~

So I yell “STOP! YOU (umm... 'moron', well, close enough)! And little brother is staring at me like he has been rolling on meth for days and days and isn’t quite sure if I actually exist and if what I am howling is actually real. “STOP THIS FOOK’IN CAR! – YOU (um, 'moron' – well close).

So he like wakes up and hammers on the brakes and we’re like going sideways on I-80 in Buttfookistan, Nebraska [tm: brother Dalgard]. This is truly un-good.

So, being still only half awake, I howl at little brother “Dammit, I thought we made a deal – THE DEAL – that we can play FRANK! only once every 4 hours. And little brother says to me “Yeah, I know, but all the radio stations keep playing the same thing, all kinda of buzzy with these alarm clock tones – over and over again. So I needed to just put FRANK! back in.
~~~

Then I start to actually wake up (little brother is still wired on 53 cups of truck stop ‘joe) and pop the tape out and actually listen to the radio.

"BEEEEEZT BOOOOONG DWAAAAP! This is a message from the National Weather Service (BEEEEEZT BOOOOONG DWAAAAP!)… This is A Tornado Alert."

"BEEEEEZT BOOOOONG DWAAAAP! Tornadoes have been sighted in the Kearny/Grand Island area. (BEEEEEZT BOOOOONG DWAAAAP!)

"If you are in this area, seek shelter immediately! (BEEEEEZT BOOOOONG DWAAAAP!) And so on, endlessly, like forever.

And little brother, all wired and lit up, says “You see – THAT is all they are playing on the radio no matter what channel I tune into – so of course I put in FRANK! in again. So what’s the problem?”
~~~

I’ll spare you the details that most of you have already figured out. Suffice to say we parked under an overpass and even there the car still rocked and rolled and got hammered. Only time I have ever seen a tornado all up close and personal. Nine people died that day due to tornados in that area code. One of them was this woman with CA plates on a white Bronco who stopped for a just a moment under "our" bridge, quick deemed us complete azsholes obviously on dope, then drove on. By the time we saw her Bronco again, it was all upside down and smooshed, and she was, well, un-helpable.

Eventually we ended up outside of Lincoln, in yet another variant of BigEarl’sStop’N’Flop – where the weasel behind the bulletproof glass said “it’s 11:36am – if you want a room now it will only be good until noon – then you’ll have to come back and pay for tomorrow. I just handed him my plastic and said “Check us in, forever -- then die.” He got at least the first two parts right.
~~~

By some small miracle we did in fact make it to VT -- just as the sun rose, just before “the service” in which junior got dipped into the clan's communal toilet bowl and, well, became clan. Me, I was so frazzled I don’t remember a moment of it. But my godson just turned 12 and he absolutely rocks. Excellent kid. Follows .10's without a hiccup. This is all my doing, of course.

But I just can’t enjoy “Joe’s Garage” the way I used to. Yet my godson digs it -- big time. As does his dad. Genetics, I guess.

Well, some things you just can’t explain... even in 30,000 words.

Yes, FRANK! was surely a genius.

My littlest brother and I surely weren’t and aren't.


^,,^
Reilly

Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
Mar 15, 2009 - 01:11am PT
Frank would be proud and honored Pip!
hooblie

climber
Mar 15, 2009 - 03:44am PT
i find it often discomforting to be in the presence of his genious. he inspires me to rise to the challege of his music. but i feel like i'm engrossed in a "page turner" type of experience because there is something intriguing just around the corner that i won't want to miss. i typically turn away from crass, but he has found a niche in my psyche, as if by charm. i find this paradoxical. undismissably edgy, he had musicality in spades. i guess that's entertainment. but the thread speaks of "appreciation". if i missed it upthread, i'll repeat for emphasis: his testimony before the congessional hearings on decency in...rock music, was unequivicaly assertive and sealed my respect for the ages. i would not have wanted to be on the receiving end of his withering defense of the freedom of artistic expression. for his role in stuffing those wannabe culture police back in their proper place i am respectful and "appreciative".
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Mar 15, 2009 - 11:22am PT
fz and the boys do
"the whipping post":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TItmXT8DkM&feature=related

just got an album called
"rare meat" recorded by
fz in 62 before the mothers
in the studio he bought
from paul buff. definately
the early makings of what
was to come.

my crew always know him as
uncle frank.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Mar 15, 2009 - 11:37am PT
This one seems apropriate.......just a smack of cynicism! LOL


Well I'm about to get sick
From watchin' my tv
Been checkin' out the news
Till my eyeballs fail to see
I mean to say that every day
Is just another rotten mess
And when it's gonna change, my friend
Is anybody's guess, so i'm
Watchin' and I'm waitin'
Hopin' for the best
Even think I'll go to prayin'
Every time I hear `em sayin'
There's no way to delay
That trouble comin' every day
No way to delay the trouble
Comin' every day
Wednesday I watched the riot
Seen the cops out on the street
Watched `em throwin' rocks & stuff & chokin'
In the heat
Listen to reports
About the whisky passin' `round
Seen the smoke & fire
And the market burnin' down
Watched while everybody
On his street would take a turn
To stomp & smash & bash & crash & slash &
Bust & burn
And i'm
Watchin' and I'm waitin'
Hopin' for the best
Even think I'll go to prayin'
Every time I hear `em sayin' that there's
No way to delay
That trouble comin' every day
No way to delay
That trouble comin' every day
Timid TopRope

Social climber
Paradise, CA
Mar 16, 2009 - 12:47am PT
I apologize if I'm mentioning topics covered by other's comments. Too lazy to read em all just now.

I've kind of stayed away from posting here on this thread due to various reasons, one primarily being that Frank went from proto punk-jazz rock (not to be lumped in with the fusion genre) to more accessible semi-jokey stuff and staying with that almost to his dying day. I noted the change in high school when my jock friends started quoting lines like, "Is that a real poncho or is that a Sears poncho?"

That said, he also continued to his dying day to be a thorn in the side of American society with a wit comparable to Mark Twain. I especially liked when he testified before Tipper Gore's "explicit lyric" hearings.

He also went to high school with and collaborated with probably my biggest influence, the visionary, Captain Beefheart (Don Van Vleit).

I remember those records you could order for a buck from the record jackets from Warner/Reprise's "Loss Leaders".
Besides the Mothers of Invention, there were samples of such luminaries as the GTO's (girls together outrageously, pre riot grrl), Wild Man Fisher, as Ed H and Dr F mentioned, The Fugs, Tim Harding, Tim Buckley and many other under-appreciated geniuses.

Steering it back; my all-time favorite Zappa will always be the double album, Uncle Meat with the classic, Peaches in Regalia and one whole side devoted to the King Kong variations. Completely blew my mind in the 9th grade.

RIP, Frank

Mimi

climber
Apr 3, 2010 - 06:10pm PT
Zappa Plays Zappa! Not to be missed!

http://www.zappa.com/zpz/tourdates.html

StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Apr 3, 2010 - 09:13pm PT
Jack, one of our roomates at UCSB, tore down the back fence of our apartment on Del Playa, and built 7ft high replica of Billy the Mountain out of fence slats, chicken wire and paper mache. He put in a cave to see out of, and shoulder harnesses so he could get inside and walk around. He put various refereneces from the song all over the mountain, and wore it to the infamous Halloween party. When the police inevitably came to clear everyone out, he sat down in the middle of the street, and no one knew he was inside. That is Frank love for ya'.

"finally got if off, and my girlfriend cried, you got stink foot darlin'"

"Flakes, California has the most of them"
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 2, 2010 - 09:55am PT
FZ and his music will be featured at the Ojai Music Festival. His wife and Ian Underwood will be appearing. Also music by Varese.

http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/index.php/ojai-music-festival--6982/
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 10, 2011 - 02:34am PT
The lore of Southern California permeated Frank Zappa's music and self-image

A list of local place names that appear in the satirical songs of Frank Zappa's Mothers of Invention group would be long.

Frank Zappa was raised in Lancaster. <br/>
As a teen, he loved the avant-g...
Frank Zappa was raised in Lancaster.
As a teen, he loved the avant-garde electronic music of Edgard Varese -- as well as ’50s doo-wop and R&B.
Credit: (Los Angeles Times / January 9, 2011)

By Anthony Mostrom
January 9, 2011


It was a rare, early Hollywood television appearance for future rock music renegade Frank Zappa. Lean and hungry and unknown, the 22-year-old composer appeared on "The Steve Allen Show" in 1963.

He wore a pressed suit and thin tie, and short, well-greased hair — standard for those pre-Beatles, pre-psychedelic days. But Zappa was there to perform sounds on a bicycle with drumsticks and a bow (the bike belonged to his sister Candy).

Allen was no slouch in the world of beatnik-era hipness himself, but he couldn't help cracking one-liners during Zappa's noisy, atonal demonstration, and he kept pronouncing his guest's name "Zoppa." "Well, Mr. Zappa … I congratulate you on your farsightedness," Allen said. "As for your music, don't ever do it around here again!"

Frank Zappa was born in Baltimore — Dec. 21, 2010, would have been his 70th birthday — but his self-image and musical output from 1963 until his death in 1993 were soaked in the lore of Southern California, where he grew up.

A list of local place names that appear in the satirical songs of his avant-garde-meets-novelty-rock group, the Mothers of Invention, would be long.

Burbank, Downey, El Monte, Fullerton, Glendale, Hawthorne, Irwindale, Lomita, Newhall, Pacoima, Palmdale, Rolling Hills, Shadow Hills — he loved, hated and sang about all of them. In retrospect, it seems that Zappa and the Mothers played in other cities during their heyday in the late 1960s only because they had to.

Zappa was raised in Lancaster. He showed an early gift for music and started writing orchestral music at age 14. The first love of the culture-hungry teenager in the desert was the percussive, avant-garde electronic music of composer Edgard Varese. His second love was 1950s doo-wop and rhythm and blues, which inspired him to take up the guitar.

After high school he ambitiously pursued both, seemingly unrelated, passions. Only months after appearing on the Allen show, the young composer conducted his discordant orchestral works at Mount St. Mary's College in Los Angeles, after which an audience member asked, "Do you consider this to be music?" On the surviving tape, Zappa sounds defiant but, frankly, hurt.

Meanwhile, as an aspiring producer of rock 'n' roll records, young Zappa made frequent trips into Hollywood, hustling tapes of local bands he would record at his own Studio Z ("Record Your Band!") in Cucamonga. Some of these were bought by small Hollywood labels (Del-Fi, Donna, Emmy), and released as 45s. Today they're collectors' items. Few sold well, with the notable exception of Zappa's own "Memories of El Monte," recorded by the Penguins of "Earth Angel" fame.

If he had had the stomach to work for other people, he could have been a successful film composer.

On the Allen show he mentioned having recently composed the "score" for a low-budget film, "The World's Greatest Sinner," by cult character actor and director Timothy Carey ("My name is God Hilliard!"), now best remembered for his eccentric performances in early Stanley Kubrick and John Cassavetes films. When "Steverino" asked, "Who's in it?" Zappa stifled a laugh. "Tim Carey and a cast of a thousand people that he found down on Main Street someplace."

This, and the score for an ultra-cheap western called "Run Home Slow" (1965), hinted at Zappa's talent. The multilayered, virtuosic brilliance of his late-'60s masterpieces — hybrid rock-jazz-classical albums like "Burnt Weenie Sandwich," "Hot Rats" and "Weasels Ripped My Flesh" — were only a few years away.

In retrospect, one can see that as the '60s heated up in Los Angeles, Zappa was one of the artists who started the West Coast hippy scene when he released (or unleashed) the first Mothers album, "Freak Out" (1966), which told of a subculture in Hollywood of self-described "freaks" who wore their hair long and dressed in mismatched clothes from thrift shops.

It was a social revolution, and Zappa helped to create it, which was ironic for two reasons: He himself considered "freaks" (a small group of people who hung around Canter's deli in 1965-66) to be better and smarter than hippies, and he was strongly anti-drug his entire life. "I don't like bumping into furniture or vomiting on people" was his stated position on the issue.

One can't help thinking that the gadfly spirit of rock music's bad conscience — the intelligent older brother who sneered at love songs as well as rock-star arrogance — will be mocking and poking at youth culture for as long as it lasts.

One assumes he'd also laugh at the idea of his own high school, Antelope Valley High, being renamed after him (once proposed but shot down), or that there would be statues of him erected in town squares: in Baltimore, Germany and Lithuania.

But then, Frank Zappa laughed at a lot of things.

tonymostrom@gmail.com

Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times

can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Jan 10, 2011 - 09:17am PT
check out Dweezil's new compilation tribute album

http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/the-frank-zappa-aaafnraaaa/id410582595
Evel

Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
Jan 10, 2011 - 10:14am PT
Randisi where are you?
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Jan 10, 2011 - 11:28am PT
"Help I'm a rock"
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 10, 2011 - 11:44am PT
"Gwen is a lonely single mother with an unusual passion for knitting and living with her young daughter Lola. When photography student Kirk asks if he can photograph Gwen in her home, Gwen only agrees after Lola's prompting. Kirk has ulterior motives though, and when Gwen finds out, she sets upon taking the upper hand in the situation."

Does that sound Zappaic? It should as it is the synopsis of Moon's 2004 short
film "Ugly" which she wrote and directed. It gets 5.9 out of 10 on IMDb.
That is probably fair although I give it a 7. It was the first and surely
the last premiere I will attend. I felt like such a dweeb being there.

Yeah, they made me model this...
Yeah, they made me model this...
Credit: Reilly

You used to be able to watch it on the American Film Institute site - haven't checked lately.
mooch

Trad climber
Old Climbers' Home (Adopted)
Jan 10, 2011 - 12:58pm PT
Muffin Man.....feck yeah!

"....girl you thought he was a man
But he was a muffin
He hung around till you found
That he didn't know nuthin

Girl you thought he was a man
But he only was a-puffin
No cries is heard in the night
As a result of him stuffin."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFIMWRXWY90





Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jan 10, 2011 - 08:01pm PT
Oh Debra Algebra Ebneezra Kadabra
Witch goddess, witch goddess of Lankershim
Boulevard.
Cover my entire bodice, with Avon Cologna.

And drive me to some relative`s house, in East
L.A. (foogadah! ?)
(Just till my skin clears up)
Turn it to channel thirteen,
and maybe watch the rubber tongue, when it comes
out
from the puffed, and flatulent Mexican
rubbergoods mask.

Damn, now they are both gone!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 10, 2011 - 08:13pm PT
Here's a freaking YouTube of the Steve Allen show the article upthread talks about!

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e3I0iagWXU&feature=related

"we shot it in El Monte..."

Part 2 in which Frank 'plays' a bicycle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCCGeHz06U4&feature=related

Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5qmtYuUEGk&feature=related

Part 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnpTe6-s_H8&feature=related
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Jan 11, 2011 - 03:56pm PT
"The GRAND WAZOO"
ec

climber
ca
May 20, 2011 - 03:44pm PT
Return to Forever Plays with Zappa Plays Zappa, The Warfield, Sept. 22, 2011
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 20, 2011 - 03:46pm PT
Return to forever plays zappa? zoot alures!

Those bastards aren't coming to vancouver! what a bunch of pricks!

They are going to be in Seattle on sept 21 thought
hairyapeman

Trad climber
1.5 hours from Yosemite!!!
May 20, 2011 - 03:48pm PT
LOVE THE BOBBY BROWN SONG!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Carson city Nev.
May 20, 2011 - 03:48pm PT
Zappa was totally out-done by Jimmy Page and Robert Plant in a seattle motel room once- Zappa called them HARDCORE! and hence,,,,the "mudshark song"..;-D
CrackAddict

Trad climber
Joshua Tree
May 20, 2011 - 05:06pm PT
This is awesome...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2000/jan/29/lithuania


Has anyone been to Vilnius to see this?
Barcus

Social climber
San Luis Obispo, Ca.
May 20, 2011 - 05:57pm PT
Billy was a mountain, Ethel was a tree growing off of his shoulder!

Marcus
Evil too!

P.s.
I'm gross and perverted, obsessed and derainged
I have exsisted for years but very little has changed
I'm the tool of the government and industry too
I'm destined to rule and regulate you
your mind is totally controlled
it has been stuffed into my mold
and you will do as you are told
until the rightd to you are sold
I'm the best you can get
have you guessed me yet?
I'm the slime oozin out of your tv set!
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
May 20, 2011 - 07:06pm PT
"What is your conceptual continuity?"

Thanks for everything Frank, we love you.
Mimi

climber
Mar 4, 2012 - 01:54am PT
Words cannot describe this moment of discovery. Wow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y59k7AX9AKM&feature=related


The Beatles your parents REALLY wouldn't let you listen to.
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Mar 4, 2012 - 09:49am PT
I'm not sure if this cover of Stairway to Heaven was posted on this thread or not but it's a great version of the song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWCrcVQqUEQ
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Mar 4, 2012 - 10:06am PT
a selection of Frank quotes. My favorite is numba 17:



Jazz is not dead, it just smells funny.

Stupidity is the basic building block of the universe.

Tobacco is my favorite vegetable.

There is no hell. There is only France.

Don't mind your make-up, you'd better make your mind up.

Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid.

It is always advisable to be a loser if you cannot become a winner.

A mind is like a parachute. It doesnt work if it's not open.

If we can't be free at least we can be cheap.

Sometimes you got to get sick before you can feel better.

You can't be a Real Country unless you have a BEER and an airline - it helps if you have some kind of a football team or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a BEER.

There will never be a nuclear war; there's too much real estate involved.

Consider for a moment any beauty in the name Ralph.

Why do you necessarily have to be wrong just because a few million people think you are?

Outdoors for me is walking from the car to the ticket desk at the airport

You drank beer, you played golf, you watched football - WE EVOLVED!

You have just destroyed one model XQJ-37 nuclear powered pansexual roto-plooker....and you're gonna have to pay for it.

Interviewer: "So Frank, you have long hair. Does that make you a woman?"
FZ: "You have a wooden leg. Does that make you a table?"

Without deviation from the norm, 'progress' is not possible.

Who are the brain police?

The people of your century no longer require the service of composers.
A composer is as useful to a person in a jogging suit as a dinsoaur turd in the middle of his runway.

There are more love songs than anything else.
If songs could make you do something we'd all love one another.

Hey, you know something people? I'm not black, but there's a whole lots a times I wish I could say I'm not white.

Most people wouldn't know good music if it came up and bit them in the ass.

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry.

There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.

There are three things that smell of fish. One of them is fish. The other two are growing on you!

May your sh#t come to life and kiss you on the face.

Let's not be too rough on our own ignorance, it's what makes America great.

Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is THE BEST.

Beauty is a pair of shoes that makes you wanna die.

The creation and destruction of harmonic and 'statistical' tensions is essential to the maintenance of compositional drama. Any composition (or improvisation) which remains consonant and 'regular' throughout is, for me, equivalent to watching a movie with only 'good guys' in it, or eating cottage cheese.
Mimi

climber
Nov 15, 2012 - 11:52pm PT
No, I don't work for Dweezil's promotion crew...

This tour will shirley be another great one. Around $50 and very small venues. He's playing Flag! Definitely spreading the love around. Do yourself a favor and hear this band whether you loved his Pop or knot.

http://www.zappaplayszappa.com/tourdates.html

Here's the UK/Continent set list. He's added a lot of old songs to the already solid repertoire.

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/zappa-plays-zappa/2012/roundhouse-london-england-3bda98bc.html
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Nov 16, 2012 - 01:17am PT
The apex:
Chief

climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Dec 23, 2012 - 06:56pm PT
I'm not much for tribute bands but after watching the Zappa Plays Zappa documentary decided Dweezil had the chops, character and pedigree to cover his dad's music.
Took in Dweezil's show at The Commodore last night with Jim Brennan and friends.
HUGE AND AMAZING!
They opened with Zombie Woof and did awesome covers of Cosmic Debris and Penguins in Bondage along with many more.
Peaches en Regalia and a weird one called Moggio were real highlights.
Scheila Gonzales is a MONSTER and her 10 minute solo reminded me of the late Michael Brecker.

Highly recommended for any Zappa fans.

Peaches en Regalia
http://youtu.be/aOyYq_4G-d4
Mimi

climber
Dec 24, 2012 - 08:01pm PT
Smaller scale this tour. A back to the bars event. Excellent show. Continues to master Frank's songs and advance the music to old fans and those who missed out. Dweezil, he's so hot this year!



Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Jan 3, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
Sad news for Mothers fans:
The Soul Giants were a struggling R&B cover band in Pomona in the mid-1960s when lead singer Ray Collins fired the group's guitarist and invited a musical collaborator from Rancho Cucamonga to take his place. His name was Frank Zappa.

The band soon began morphing into the Mothers of Invention, the avant-garde novelty rock group that was Zappa's vision. But Collins' "extraordinary pop-operatic vocals best conveyed" the band's "not-so-mock rage," according to the New Rolling Stone Record Guide.

When tension with Zappa caused Collins to leave the band in the late 1960s, he also essentially left behind his music career. For a time, he drove a taxi in Los Angeles and in recent years had lived out of his van in Claremont.

Collins died Dec. 24 at Pomona Valley Hospital Medical Center after a heart attack. He was believed to be 75.

RIP

http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-ray-collins-20130102,0,3447047.story
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 3, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
RIP to another other brother from another mother
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Feb 26, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
The LA Philharmonic has announced its 2013-2014 season. In the LA Times article is this:
...a world premiere concert performance of Frank Zappa's "200 Motels...

...For "Inside Out," the Phil also will bring back several old friends of the realm. Dudamel will alternate at the podium with his predecessor, Esa-Pekka Salonen, who will conduct several concerts, including the "200 Motels" program on Oct. 23, the anniversary date of the hall's official opening. Salonen was friends with Zappa, the iconoclastic L.A. composer who died in 1993.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/culture/la-et-cm-la-phil-2013-2014-season-20130224,0,1050277.story

There's no way I'm missing Salonen conducting Zappa!

http://www.laphil.com/tickets/10th-anniversary-celebration-green-umbrella-zappa039s-200-motels/2013-10-23

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 26, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
I understand orchestras trying to be hip and draw in a younger crowd but
I'll give this a miss. I view it like I do rock climbing in roller skates.
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Feb 26, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
It's Zappa's best work, from an orchestra point of view. Hopefully they'll get Volman and Kaylan to perform.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Feb 26, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
Zappa was one of my teenage influences, even saw him in concert in high school, the You Are What You Is tour. Don't think I could sit through an orchestra playing Zappa music, though. Particularly his orchestral music.
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Feb 26, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
"Help I'm a rock"

Still a great album
deepnet

Boulder climber
San Diego
Feb 26, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
"Billy the mountain" Has to be my favorite!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 26, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
GRODY, GRODY TO THE MAX!! NO WAY! I do not talk funny! I'm so sure...

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 26, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
Moon has class, intelligence, beauty....


Frank would be proud.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 26, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
Diva Thin Muffin Pigeen Zappa, born July 30, 1979.

The least known of the Zappa kids!

Credit: survival
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Apr 26, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/227765/ZAPPA

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=377936&msg=377940#msg377940
TrundleBum

Trad climber
Las Vegas
Apr 26, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
Wow at Survival's post:
I didn't realize there was a fourth kid.
She sure has her dad's nose.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Re: orchestral performances

It took me years to warm up to ANY! of Zappa's music.
For years I thought the guy was a total clown.
Not until I was introduced to the modern, fusion (whatever yah wanna call'm) jazz bands...
Such as Weather Report, Return to Forever, Mahavishnu Orchestra, etc...
did I appreciate Frank's music.

Then it took me a long time to get past his popular classics and begin to appreciate his more 'out there' stuff...
Such as his lead on 'Truck Driver Divorce' or the frenetic 'Stevie's Spanking'.

But as quoted upthread:

Without deviation from the norm, 'progress' is not possible.

Familiarity spawns comfort.
As my 'Zapology' frame of reference broadened I started to appreciate his Orchestral stuff. About then I realized that Zappa probably had numerous versions jazz, rock, acoustic and Orchestral/symphonic, of everyone of his songs.

I always liked the melody, mockery and whimsical nature of 'Duke of Prunes'

Which original sounded like:
(I think from his second album "Absolutely Free")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-j4h9gplvY

That was good preparation for when I later heard his version when he hired and worked with the London Philharmonic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7c03ObN2o4

I love the way he works a little bit of his signature angst with an electric guitar in front of a symphony in his solo between 2:30/3:00
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Apr 27, 2013 - 11:43am PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xFvzfNtXnVU
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Apr 27, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
My favorite albums, in order, with favorite song on each album are:

Freak Out! - Trouble Comin Every Day

Zoot Allures - Wonderful Wino

Joe's Garage Act I - Joe's Garage

Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar - (Title Cut)

Weasels Ripped My Flesh - "Eric Dolphy Memorial Barbecue"

Sheik Yerbouti - Flakes

A good friend of mine did the album cover for Jazz in Hell, in fact I'm having dinner with him tonight.
Psilocyborg

climber
Apr 27, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
if you want to see something very cool go here

http://tela.sugarmegs.org/alpha/f.html

scroll down to "frankzappa" and have fun
Mimi

climber
Dec 27, 2013 - 11:39pm PT
Zappa Plays Zappa!

Roxy and Elsewhere this time, in its entirety. Don't miss out!

http://www.zappaplayszappa.com/tourdates.html
Trusty Rusty

climber
Tahoe Area
Dec 28, 2013 - 12:05am PT
Mimi & Gentlemen...Watch Ruth

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 28, 2013 - 12:07am PT
vancouver on the 29th I see. I saw him with Return to Forever a while ago in Seattle. good show
Mimi

climber
Dec 28, 2013 - 12:08am PT
Other than the much too short sets, it was great.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 1, 2014 - 05:55pm PT
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Jan 1, 2014 - 08:39pm PT
December 4, 1993.

Has it really been twenty years?
Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
Feb 4, 2014 - 04:12pm PT
Survival and Son made it to Chico last night for the Dweezil show, Roxy and Elsewhere. They tore it up. Count me as another convert to Dweezil's ability to pull off his father's work with the same chutzpah and deadpan delivery.
Great show!
Survival and his oldest son, Justin at Zappa Plays Zappa last night.
Survival and his oldest son, Justin at Zappa Plays Zappa last night.
Credit: Timid TopRope
Taking a much deserved bow after an amazing encore that featured Muffi...
Taking a much deserved bow after an amazing encore that featured Muffin Man and Willy the Pimp among others.
Credit: Timid TopRope
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 5, 2014 - 12:10pm PT
Timid Toprope at the Zappa Plays Zappa show in Chico!!

Credit: survival

DWEEZ ME OUT FREAKIL!!!
Credit: survival
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