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neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 6, 2014 - 10:07pm PT
hey there say, RickyD ... hope all is well...

just checking in and hoping folks were, and are, okay...
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 6, 2014 - 10:09pm PT
hey there say, norwegian... wow, neat poem... love the jobs-that-need-to-be-done, aspect of it, too... :)

lots of good insight there and good honest work for folks, too, :)
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2014 - 07:57am PT
Just found this neat tool:

National Fuel Moisture Database

Unfortunately it's a little tough to find active sampling sites, at least in my area.

Here's a comparison of live fuel moisture for 2014, 2013, and 2005 for a site between North Fork and Shaver Lake:

http://www.wfas.net/index.php/national-fuel-moisture-database-moisture...
http://www.wfas.net/index.php/national-fuel-moisture-database-moisture-drought-103
Credit: khanom


Current Dead fuel moisture conditions:
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 7, 2014 - 11:27am PT
Anybody want venison?
Intense deer pressure here as well. I walk my dog in a large meadow in the forest about 10 PM every night.
The deer seem to be diminishing. Maximum in June, 9 at a time, 6 or 7 nearly each evening.
Now max is 4, just 3 last night. A couple of nights have been zero.
For a year there has been a magnificent yellow eyed buck. Haven't seen him in about 2 weeks. He's quite noticeable at night.

Now for a fire update. On Tuesday there was a significant fire in the Santa Cruz mountains at the top of King's Creek Road.
Within 20 minutes there were a Huey Helitak crew/water dropper, an S2 twin engine tanker and an OV10 Bronco command craft.

Within 2 hours it was fully contained. Had it climbed the ridge, it would have been 1 1/2 miles of wilderness canyon from my house. The fire was entirely on private land but about 1/4 mile from the Castle Rock State Park southern boundary. The fire crews drove down the Kings Creek Truck Trail which we cleared last year as a shaded fuel break project. This saved them about 15 minutes drive time vs Highway 9 or Bear Creek Rd.
Kings Creek fire viewed from Kings Creek Truck Trail
Kings Creek fire viewed from Kings Creek Truck Trail
Credit: HighTraverse
You can see the Huey in this photo. He was sucking water from a nearby pond.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Aug 7, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
Now that the El Portal Fire is about out, did they find out the cause? I ran into the pic from the newspaper of the El Portal Fire a few years back that was caused by a broke down RV on fire....
Newspaper Credit.....
Newspaper Credit.....
Credit: Radish
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2014 - 02:19pm PT
El Portalians are saying it was an oak tree falling on power lines. Of course it will be "under investigation" until 2024 at which time it will quietly be tucked away.

{begin rant}
Around here people are very upset that the Rim Fire "investigation" hasn't pinpointed a cause. Some suggest that the whole illegal campfire thing is BS. Essentially it's government robots not wanting to stick their neck out if the evidence isn't 120% definitive. But it is or should be public information even if a specific cause isn't isolated...
{/end rant}
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 7, 2014 - 02:34pm PT
"Essentially it's government robots not wanting to stick their neck out if the evidence isn't 120% definitive."

If that's true, can you really blame them? If a mistake is made, they get crucified from every angle (not to mention debilitating litigation). Who would want to stick there neck out, knowing there's a strong likelihood it's gonna get chopped, one way or the other?

Not defending land managers in general, by any stretch. I do have some empathy for what they have to deal with, though.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 7, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
khanom, the feds entered formal charges this morning against the rim fire suspect

http://www.news10.net/story/news/local/modesto/2014/08/07/rim-fire-arrest/13735225/


khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
Ha ha! That's hilarious. It only took just shy of a year. Was it the threat of a congressional hearing?


Of course the helicopter ride was never mentioned. Seems they knew all along?
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 7, 2014 - 04:14pm PT
there were media reports at the time that the suspect had given the feds a written confession--

looks like that was true. he seems to have confessed at least twice, with different details each time, then recanted the confessions. then blamed it on a grower op he claims to have found there.

each of those various stories doubtless precipitated a whole bunch of forensic work. wonder if there was also a negotiation over a plea?

khanom, the state and us cali politicians got brief last fall by doj. that's why mclintock quit beating that drum.

edit cuz i forgot to link the lat

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-81026285/



HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 7, 2014 - 09:42pm PT
I hope they throw the book at Keith Matthew Emerald.
Stupid friggen b**tard.
Thanks to Google he'll go down in history. 20 years from now when someone google's Rim Fire, they'll get old fashioned 22cal bullets and this moron.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 7, 2014 - 10:25pm PT
Emerald put some business people over here in a financial bind...tragic...
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2014 - 07:35am PT
He put some people here out of business altogether. He cost me about half my season's revenue.

I'd really like to ask him what he was thinking.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 8, 2014 - 09:31am PT
Some not so good news.
The Lodge fire just west of Camp Winnarainbow has spotted eastward for the first time and is now on the Winnarainbow/Hwy 101 east side of the ridges. Now less than 4 miles away.
Winnarainbow has kids for one more week. Hope they're not having too much smoke.
Credit: HighTraverse

At least the fire will be easier to fight.

7:15 AM morning report:
The fire continues to burn in heavy timber. Firefighters are challenged by steep, rugged terrain with difficult access. Fire activity increased yesterday as the eastern flank of the fire pushed to the south. The fire crossed the Eel River in two areas and continues to grow to the east. Structure defense preparation continues near populated areas and firefighting personnel continue to make progress constructing fire line across the northern and southern boundaries of the fire.

5,400 acres - 30% contained
35 structures threatened

Total Fire Personnel: 1,733
Total Fire Engines: 151
Total Fire crews: 42
Total Helicopters: 15
Total Dozers: 30
Total Water Tenders: 25


Winnarainbow has a small lake for swimming. Given the low levels in the Eel River that might be the only water source for helicopters and tankers on the eastern front.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:07am PT
Smoke over Waddell Beach, north of Santa Cruz
Credit: HighTraverse
smoke over Monterey Bay, south of Santa Cruz
Credit: HighTraverse
bob

climber
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:20am PT
My sister and her family are part owners of The Big Bend Lodge on the Eel River and crews are staying there. They've been clearing like mad, made a helipad, and are otherwise doing as much in preparation for the fire's arrival. Scary.

We all have our fingers crossed.

http://www.advocate-news.com/latest-local/ci_26291298/lodge-complex-fire-threatens-resorts-south-leggett
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:31am PT
that canyon looks bad.

good luck.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:48am PT
bob
the MODIS map I posted shows that the fire has moved south from the Lodge since last evening. They'll have good dozer lines but there'll be plenty of hotspots to mop up. They'll likely be OK now. You can bet the fire crews are thankful for their assistance.
bob

climber
Aug 8, 2014 - 11:58am PT
Sounds like the Lodge is busy!!! Poor septic. :) Thank you for the links everybody.

edit: my sis says that the fire is still slowly progressing towards the lodge as far as her source of information is concerned. Smoke plumes build up, everyone gets more gripped, then they die down, or at least move out of sight. Deep canyon living. Its like living in a cave.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2014 - 05:29pm PT
I read on the wildlandfire.com forum that there may be a fire around the Burst Rock area up Sonora Pass. Anybody know anything?
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