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McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 20, 2018 - 12:43pm PT
There are so many people burning fossil fuels now that we need to manage that. That's where the real unseen fire is. IT is enormous, and it is having a profound effect. The other fires are just a trickle down from that. Nobody is arguing that we shouldn't get the show on the road and take better care of forests - but the real fight will be saving the atmosphere so that it works for humans.

As far as putting out forest fires to quell the feedback loop I mentioned earlier - that may be a bit silly. The larger picture of fossil fuel burning is so exponentially larger. I maintain that the fire problem is a symptom of the much larger fossil fuel fire, and to not mention climate change while discussing forest management is silly.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Aug 20, 2018 - 01:01pm PT
Thanks for clarifying McHale.

Cheers
DMT
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Aug 20, 2018 - 01:19pm PT
It is funny how we humans make judgements on systems we can barely understand a fraction of and to make it worse, apply our feelings/perceptions to the system. A tenth of a degree to a forest ecosystem might equal 10 degrees in the human system. People are easily fooled via their own feelings and understanding about themselves. A reason the scientific method is so valuable, almost as valuable as humility.

Knowing it all is the classic inverse reality of humanity in the internet/EGO time that we live in.

August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Aug 20, 2018 - 04:40pm PT
There are so many people burning fossil fuels now that we need to manage that. That's where the real unseen fire is. IT is enormous, and it is having a profound effect. The other fires are just a trickle down from that. Nobody is arguing that we shouldn't get the show on the road and take better care of forests - but the real fight will be saving the atmosphere so that it works for humans.

As far as putting out forest fires to quell the feedback loop I mentioned earlier - that may be a bit silly. The larger picture of fossil fuel burning is so exponentially larger. I maintain that the fire problem is a symptom of the much larger fossil fuel fire, and to not mention climate change while discussing forest management is silly.

The world faces a lot of problems/challenges.

I agree that climate change is a much bigger issue than forest management.

But Cal fire isn't going to solve climate change. And even if, in the unlikely event, fairly radical action was taken on climate change, there is a lot of climate change already baked in.

As far as keeping CA homes from burning down, California needs to take a hard look at forest management, along with building codes and maybe even where homes are allowed to be built.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 20, 2018 - 04:51pm PT
True^^^^^^ :>)

I didn't mean to say that solving climate change will put out the fires. I'm mostly tired of the two not getting linked, or when they are linked, climate change gets minimized and forest management gets most the blame. Republican finger prints are all over that. Poor forest management to a Republican is nothing but a scapegoat to not recognize climate change. Republicans won't lift a finger to do anything about forest management. They just want their talking points....yes, the same Republicans that want to keep California from determining its own level of fossil fuel emissions, CAFE standards, that at least 12 other states were going to follow.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 25, 2018 - 08:37am PT
So ya thought rattlers, ticks, and widow-makers make firefighting tough? Think again - in a forest near Berlin German firefighters are facing WWII ordnance that is being set off by the fire! 😳

Page 2: Rain is expected today over much of British Columbia!
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Aug 25, 2018 - 09:12pm PT
https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_hessburg_why_wildfires_have_gotten_worse_and_what_we_can_do_about_it/transcript
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Aug 26, 2018 - 04:06pm PT
a conflagration by any other name ...

i laid eyes on my 98 year old great grandma, born in pennsylvania before the first oil well.

i don't care if you want to push the date of peak oil down the road a decade or two or twenty,
the newborns i'll lay eyes upon will, in rough terms, witness the tapered end of the petroleum era.

the idea that i might have laid eyes on every generation to participate in the so called "petroleum era,"
when considered relative to the scope of geologic time, brings to mind the flash of white phosphorus
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Aug 27, 2018 - 10:09am PT
I flew from San Jose to Vancouver last week, and the entire flight both directions (a week apart) was over a nearly impenetrable blanket of smoke. In 800+ miles only Baker, Rainier, Adams and Hood poked through (and I assume Shasta probably did, too, but it was on the wrong side).
Credit: looks easy from here
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Sep 5, 2018 - 06:06pm PT
PSA ; New one goin fast up here.
Delta Fire, 2000 acres, 0 containment
Burning north both sides of I-5 up the Sacramento River canyon, evacs in place between Delta and Castella.
I-5 closed both directions between Redding and Mt. Shasta.
Air attack has been hittin it hard this afternoon.

http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/6191/
labrat

Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
Sep 5, 2018 - 06:10pm PT
Thanks for the heads up. I was planning on heading up I5 on Sunday. Maybe I'll have to take a different route... Hwy 139 probably

Hope people stay safe up there!
G_Gnome

Trad climber
Cali
Sep 6, 2018 - 09:51am PT
Also be aware of the Boot fire that has closed 395 between Bridgeport and Topaz Lake. It is already ay 4,600 acres with 0 containment.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 22, 2018 - 11:25pm PT
hey there say, all...

saw this a lot earlier...

most of you must know of it, by now...

hope all will be well:



https://sierranewsonline.com/firefighters-on-scene-of-fire-burning-northeast-of-ahwahnee/
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Nov 8, 2018 - 09:10am PT
New one goin fast in Butte Co.,
the Camp Fire.

http://fire.ca.gov/current_incidents/incidentdetails/Index/2277

1000+ acres and growin fast.
Paradise and Pulga issued evac orders,
Hwy 70 being closed.

Very windy this morning up here,
stay safe all, props to the fire crews!
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Nov 8, 2018 - 10:08am PT
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Very dark and foreboding all morning...The fire is well over 1000 acres, some reports say 5000 acres now. Have also heard a report that there are possibly two fires, the big one in the feather canyon in Pulga and another fire on Concow rim rd...?

None of my picture came out this morning ..My friend took this photo from her neighborhood in Chico... Picture taken 25 minutes ago.
Sky view from California Park
Sky view from California Park
Credit: Joanie P.
)-;
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Nov 8, 2018 - 12:19pm PT
Up to 8000 acres now and 0 containment. :(
Stay safe and thanks fire crews!

TLP

climber
Nov 8, 2018 - 01:49pm PT
A couple months ago, hooblie wrote
the idea that i might have laid eyes on every generation to participate in the so called "petroleum era,"
when considered relative to the scope of geologic time, brings to mind the flash of white phosphorus
So true! and it is mind-boggling. If it were in the fossil record, the abruptness and scale of the change in the Earth's ecosystems from burning all that fuel would look exactly like some humongous scale volcanic cataclysm, or another really big asteroid impact. Yikes.

More imminently, for a lot of the central and southern Sierra west side, it's not worth spending any money at all on "forest management" whatever that would be (usually means, carry on logging as before but with a requirement to pile some of the slash so it can be burned later at someone else's expense, maybe leave a few scattered trees). The climate ship has totally left the dock for that big area: it will not be forest at all in a few decades, instead it will be a shrub-dominated landscape. The amount of dead trees is astonishing, and there's not much conifer or oak regeneration happening in a lot of the area. Some, just not much. Some oak regeneration at lower elevations, but it will be consumed in the next fire to come along. Conifer forest can persist with an open understory and withstand frequent (10-30 yr) ground fires, but oak woodland doesn't. It just burns up.

There's some possibility of managing fuels in the forests further north and someday tweaking them back to the frequent-ground-fire model, but unless there's a universal acceptance of having lots of fires throughout the forested Sierra, all the time, every year, things won't get any better at all. Widespread human-caused fire has been the rule throughout the Sierra from the very beginning, some 10,000 years ago. There is no pristine pre-human condition - the entire place was inhabited by arsonist illegal immigrants right away.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Nov 8, 2018 - 01:51pm PT
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I met fire refugees who fled Paradise & Magalia hunkering down in the Costco parking lot ...Saw lots of scary photos....Evacuees told me the town and surrounding area of Paradise is in flames...The 4 people i talked with told me their homes were gone and the fire is 3/4 down the Skyway, which is one of the exits out of their town... They just evacuated Butte creek canyon and earlier today had already evacuated the Concow area.

Chico is still dark.. with the smoke staying high in the sky...I was actually riding my bike with back flashers on and my front bike lights on to be visible.

The dark sky in chico...Above Sierra Nevada Brewery.
Credit: nita
Hopfields at SNB..clear sky in the distance.
Credit: nita
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Nov 8, 2018 - 02:05pm PT
Hate to say it but it looks like Paradise may be lost,
hope all made it out safely and no lives were lost.

Hang tough Butte County.


Edit; 18,000 acres 0 containment
johntp

Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
Nov 8, 2018 - 03:52pm PT
Hate to say it but it looks like Paradise may be lost,
hope all made it out safely and no lives were lost.

Hang tough Butte County.


Edit; 18,000 acres 0 containment

This is a crazy fire. Entire neighborhoods gone up. I'd be surprised and joyous if there are no fatalities.
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