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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Aug 13, 2018 - 12:25am PT
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sadly we must stop all this nonsense because the ranch fire all by itself is now the single biggest fire at 287,479 acres. the river fire is still below 50k and nearing full containment.
but to answer your question, it has to do with how the fires are being managed and this is based on proximity, which usually ends up as merging but not always.
https://www.nwcg.gov/sites/default/files/memos/eb-m-16-024a.pdf
And to be honest, prior to that search I had not heard of the National Wildfire Coordinating Group
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 13, 2018 - 10:02am PT
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Is anyone else having trouble with inciweb, or is it just me?
3000 acre Boyds fire started Saturday. Not a peep on inciweb. I wonder how often they update. I rely on regional reports.
http://www.wildcad.net/WCWA-NEC.htm
Same with the Grass Valley fire near Coulee Dam. 75,000+ acres. Nada.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Aug 13, 2018 - 02:52pm PT
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Forest Service quote on the on again off again Lions fire..." a controlled fire is not a contained fire " or something like that...
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otisdog
Social climber
Sierra Madre, Ca.
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Aug 13, 2018 - 07:21pm PT
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Might not be on Inciweb because it's different jurisdiction ?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 14, 2018 - 08:24am PT
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A Utah firefighter has died on the Mendocino fire.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Aug 14, 2018 - 01:04pm PT
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dee ee
Mountain climber
Of THIS World (Planet Earth)
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Aug 14, 2018 - 01:19pm PT
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Thanks for the vid link Mike.
Yes, we are heartbroken about this tragedy.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Aug 16, 2018 - 10:49pm PT
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hey there say, DMT... oh my, :O
thanks for the aerial photo...
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gives more insight... hard to comprehend, of course...
thank you again...
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Aug 17, 2018 - 08:30pm PT
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DMT, I can see your house in that image, and you are standing in the driveway!
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sempervirens
climber
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Aug 18, 2018 - 12:07pm PT
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Can anyone give me a report on the air quality around Redding and Mt Shasta?? Smoky? Hazy? Thanks.
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sempervirens
climber
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Aug 18, 2018 - 04:02pm PT
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Thanks Wayno. That helps.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 20, 2018 - 09:04am PT
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I’ve been beating that dead horse for years. See my post on this a few pages back:
Regardless of yer views on fire’s benefits it is imperative to put them out ASAP most of the time. I’ve mentioned this before but it doesn’t seem to resonate. There is a plentiful supply of DC-10s and B747s that are past their prime as far as carrying pax however they have plenty of life left as fire tankers. They can be had for pennies on the dollar and the conversion is reasonable. Why do the retards on both sides of the aisle in Congress find $300 million for an F-35 a ‘good’ price? We could buy and convert 10 ‘heavies’ for one of those POS! For HALF the price of a B-2 we could have 30 heavies based within 2 hours of any fire in the western US. Imagine if 15-20 of them showed up to lay down retardant! Not many fires would stand a snowball’s chance!
Of course logistics are a sticking point but we could have massive retardant tanks placed at strategic sites throughout the west within one hour or less flying time so that 5 747’s could work a fire and be hitting it with a drop every 12 minutes* once they got into a rhythm. Ten heavies would be dropping every 6 minutes! Of course then some hand wringing Center For Biological Diversity tard would complain about them snuffing out some chigger’s habitat.
*Yeah, I get that they have to land, tank up, and TO but you get the idea.
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John M
climber
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Aug 20, 2018 - 09:33am PT
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So if we go back to snuffing every fire quickly, which we used to do, then how do we deal with an overgrown forest?
I am not against paying for more planes, I'm just wondering what you would do about an overgrown forest. Logging doesn't work in every type woodland.
Edit: to add pilots to the system, I think that we should cross train our military bomber pilots and use them. The more they fly, the better pilot that they will be.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Aug 20, 2018 - 09:41am PT
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Regardless of yer views on fire’s benefits it is imperative to put them out ASAP most of the time. which is exactly the line of thinking that got us here.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 20, 2018 - 09:43am PT
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John, valid concerns but every problem has a solution, except for the problem of inaction.
The pilot shortage is a real one especially as you need pilots who actually know how to fly,
as opposed to the majority who only know how to program the autopilot. If we had a unified
air tanker command which paid well with gubmint pensions that could compete with the airlines
then that would likely solve that problem. The real problem, as usual, lies in Washington, DC.
gumby, you have your ‘Do Not Disturb’ sign on yer front door for yer local fire dept?
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Aug 20, 2018 - 09:58am PT
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The Lions fire west of Mammoth has been burning since June 10th. Lightning caused, nothing but wilderness, letting it burn. as the majority of naturally caused fires should be.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Aug 20, 2018 - 11:10am PT
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The argument that the fires exist because of a 'forest management' problem is just a buyin to climate change denial. Sure, there is poor management in places, but climate change is what is drying things out. This is not going to end well. Talking about forest management without talking about climate change is like talking about the safety of GMO foods without mentioning pesticides.
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