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pc
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Jun 27, 2014 - 02:07pm PT
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Dingus McG...responds to my post:
"PC
IMO
why not say Leaving No Trace trumps living on the Earth?
Get a global view!"
I wasn't attacking you, your routes, or your syle. Never climbed any of them. And why would you think I don't have a global view from my post?
Just generally tossing out a counterpoint to the thread's title which is on the spectrum/circle along with my suggestion that "leaving no trace trumps climbing. You're right. We're here and existing which is very counter to "leave no trace". I suggest an alternate title for the thread. "Existence trumps leaving no trace".
In the grand (or global) scheme of things, climbing of almost any sort, is next to a single mouse fart on the spectrum of "leaving a trace". We're much better off sitting around our "campfire" here devising ways to disrupt or completely avoid the real "traces" being made.
Cheers,
pc
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 27, 2014 - 02:56pm PT
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PC,
sometimes it is hard to get the gist of a short post and yours was in that category. I tried a slight modification to see what come next from you.
Yes, what climbers have "spoiled" on Earth is probably not even a drop in the bucket to what LA county wastes/destroys in a single day. And this is true for trad and sport combined.
The LNT people[seem to] say that yes this is true so we must absolutely not modify what is still untouched[by our standards]. They seem to not want to open up the LNT issue to a global scale, Existence Trumps LNT . Is LNT a smokescreen to quash bolting and sport routes? It has been used as such.
I have no intent to change the thread title and I am not sure you can.
For the [civil]engineering world and lawsuit avoiding businesses safety always trumps LNT and for most of the recievers of their goods and products.
when I am climbing I may be consuming less resources than when i am in town and laying low! So why try LNT trumps climbing?
But in the end I cannot accurately guess what the LNT people want, You have got my second guess on what they might want.
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pc
climber
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Jun 27, 2014 - 03:18pm PT
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I agree Dingus.
This is mostly splitting hairs. No one but climbers will see much if any of the trace anyway. Now approaches are a different story... ;)
Cheers,
pc
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