Craziness on Everest Southside Continues

Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
Messages 21 - 40 of total 270 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
May 10, 2014 - 12:09pm PT
Credit: drljefe
Betelnut

Mountain climber
So. California
May 10, 2014 - 12:39pm PT
Way to go, Cleo.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 10, 2014 - 01:01pm PT
chopper girl
This is a very bad precedent!

I'll take a chopper ride to Denali Pass thank you very much. But why stop there?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 10, 2014 - 03:22pm PT
Using a chopper is a natural extension of the direction Everest "climbing" has been going for quite some time. The "end justifies the means" paradigm has taken all meaning out of "climbing" Everest. I'll donate a small sum for a chopper pad on the summit.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 10, 2014 - 03:41pm PT
It'll get a little amusing when the time comes to get off the mountain.... and the hell winds up in the shop for a week or two waiting for a part.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2014 - 03:46pm PT
Ha! Leave it to you Bruce, to always think ahead.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 10, 2014 - 03:53pm PT
The reported cost was US$2,000 per person per flight, so a person would spend $4K to get into and out of the Western Cwm.

Sounds like maybe she was just using the chopper to ferry her gear up and came back down with the intent of climbing Khumbu up to her gear.
deuce4

climber
Hobart, Australia
May 10, 2014 - 03:55pm PT
That solves part of the problem--helicopter ferries to Camp 2.

Only a matter of time before technology before it's pushed to further camps and eventually the helicopter ride to the summit for a quick photo shoot and the dividing line between tourons and actual climbers will no longer be grey.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 10, 2014 - 04:00pm PT
Could be, but the escalation of the "whatever it takes" mentality has only one logical conclusion. Everest has become among the least important climbing venues on earth but remains, for many, the most important summit. These are people who usually do not have much in the way of climbing skills but they do have the means to avail themselves of whatever aids are made available.
elcap-pics

Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
May 10, 2014 - 11:23pm PT
Well one could declare that the old camp 2 is now Base Camp thus lessening the stigma of not actually "climbing" part of the route. We all know that the "real climbing" starts above base camp... right? Or maybe... I'm missing something? Ha!
nah000

climber
canuckistan
May 11, 2014 - 04:13pm PT
that there are only two parties game to take advantage of the chance of a lifetime [climbing the highest mountain in the world without crowds and with increased adventure] just confirms the conventional wisdom that the vast majority being led up the normal route on everest are neither climbers [by any collectively held definition], nor even adventurers.

and one of the two parties is using helicopters, so there is really only one party with any interest in process and the actual climbing.

all of the rest were just looking for a gold star from teacher.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2014 - 04:21pm PT
According to Stephen Nesstler of Adventure Sports, It seems probable that both women climbers used helicopters to Camp 2.

Then he brings up another interesting issue.


P.S. It remains to be seen whether ascents of Everest and Lhotse from Camp 2 can count as full summit successes. A case for Elizabeth Hawley, the 90-year-old legendary Himalayan chronicler in Kathmandu.


No doubt Elizabeth will have a few pithy comments on the subject!
Stay tuned.



http://www.explorersweb.com/offsite/?source=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.dw.de%2Fadventuresports%2Fend-of-the-season-on-everest-two-women-say-no%2F&lang=en
PSP also PP

Trad climber
Berkeley
May 11, 2014 - 04:27pm PT
There won't be a traffic jam at the hillary steps.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2014 - 12:06am PT
The Plot thickens!

Some male climbers seeing the girls take off, are now interested in doing Everest unaided and the Nepalese government has declared Everest still open.

The government is unhappy however, because both women evidently pirated rides on choppers which were given permission to only retrieve equipment from above the ice fall and the Nepalese government is very sensistive about people following protocol. Of course they have egg on their face because the laison officers assigned to the women's permits were no where around to stop them, and the owners of their respective guide agencies, Russel Brice of New Zealand and a Kathmandu man, Murari Sharma, are in a panic that their clients have done something illegal while on permits with their guide agencies. The women I'm sure, are laughing and yelling down the slopes, "catch me if you can". Also no doubt, the chopper pilots are somewhat richer with under the table money for their role in this.

Things used to happen like this in the old days when people snuck around police checkposts to go to forbidden areas and trek and climb without permits, but it hasn't been done for several years now. Between the Maoists chasing the police out of remote checkposts and no lowlanders going above the snow line, Nepal could get really interesting again.



More keen to conquer Everest

RAJAN POKHREL

KATHMANDU: Attempts to climb Mt Everest and Mt Lhotse by two legendary female mountaineers have emboldened other climbers, who have shown interest in scaling the peaks this season itself.

Climbers from Malaysia, China, Peru and Romania have shown interest in scaling the world’s highest peak, officials at the ministry of tourism and civil aviation told THT. “Azim Afif Bin Ishak–led six-member Ever Quest, Malaysia UTM, Everest Exp 2014 and a few others from China, Peru and Romania want to resume climbing.”

Meanwhile, Wang Jing, 40, from China, who is attempting to scale Mt Everest, yesterday flew to Camp 2 from the Base Camp. American climber Cleonice Weidlich, 51, had already flown to Camp 2 from Gorak Shep in her solo bid to scale Mt Lhotse. Both are expected to complete their climbs in the last week of May.

However, their bid to scale the peaks has kicked up a row, as liaison officers assigned by MoTCA for both the climbers — Arjun Shrestha and Laxman Sharma — are in Kathmandu and have no idea what the two women are up to; none of the Sherpas earlier assigned for their expeditions are with them; the agencies that obtained climbing permit for them have no idea about their latest bid; on top of this, the two have flown to Camp 2 on helicopters without taking the ministry’s permission.

“Russell Reginald Brice of the Himalayan Experience (Himex) that got the permit to scale Everest for Jing and others has already approached ministry, raising serious objection over Jing’s move,” sources said.

Murari Sharma, MD at the Everest Parivar, which got the permit for Cleo, is also miffed at her. “We have no idea about Cleo’s latest activities. All other climbers have already been informed about the cancellation of season’s climbing.” Both Brice and Sharma are worried that if the two women succeed in scaling the peaks, the permits for others in their expeditions might become invalid.

MoTCA officials say they will try to settle the disputed issues at the earliest. “We are positive to settle the disputes and also appeal to other climbers to resume climbing if they wish so,” Joint Secretary Madhu Sudan Burlakoti at MoTCA said, hinting that they will be allowed to land at Camp 2 if they wish so.


http://www.thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=More+keen+to+conquer+Everest&NewsID=414608#sthash.pvtyLyAK.dpuf
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
May 12, 2014 - 12:46am PT
This thread has inspired me to start a new biz.
Khumbu Kommute.


photo not found
Missing photo ID#355199


Looking for some venture capitalists to invest.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Oregon
May 12, 2014 - 12:55am PT


Well one could declare that the old camp 2 is now Base Camp thus lessening the stigma of not actually "climbing" part of the route. We all know that the "real climbing" starts above base camp... right? Or maybe... I'm missing something? Ha!

Not any different than the hordes that jug fixed ropes to Heart and then claim the did the Salathe.
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
May 12, 2014 - 01:06am PT
Bitches got no RESPECT for the Sherpa People that died fixing the lines for those Ho's, it's all about them. . .Stupid climbers. . .
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Oregon
May 12, 2014 - 01:07am PT

May 11, 2014 - 09:46pm PT
This thread has inspired me to start a new biz.
Khumbu Kommute.



Looking for some venture capitalists to invest.

Wish I still had my old 23 window to use as my investment in Kumbu Kombi Komute.

Same color.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
May 12, 2014 - 01:15am PT
Where is the line?

Who's bothering to walk from Kathmandu?

Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
May 12, 2014 - 01:16am PT
If it goes pear-shaped for the climbers, then won't the poor locals have to risk-it-all to save them?
Messages 21 - 40 of total 270 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
 
Our Guidebooks
Check 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks


Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Review Categories
Recent Trip Report and Articles
Recent Route Beta
Recent Gear Reviews