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thebravecowboy
climber
in the face of the fury of the funk
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I would definitely use protection if I was to prostitute myself to a dollar.
Probably would if I were prostituting myself for a dollar, too.
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Gobi
Trad climber
Orange CA
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What was the Super Topo forum originally about? Hiking or something?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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No, of course we're not. But this is still a troll.
Missed you at IC Sushifest Jim, you troublemaker.....
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WBraun
climber
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It's about Science Religion, Politics, and beer vs.Republicans.
Everything else is stupid ...... :-)
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Lincoln's "House Divided" speech is a very good example of keeping religion out of politics.
Indeed "A house divided against itself cannot stand," comes from some verses in the Bible.
This is the only Biblical reference in the entire speech and it was used as a prevalent part of the language.
http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/house.htm
Nowhere does he appeal to god or the Bible or anything directly religious in that speech. In fact as far as I can see he makes no other religious references. It's mostly boring legal arguments. Even I had a hard time getting through it.
Lincoln on religion
That I am not a member of any Christian Church, is true; but I have never denied the truth of the Scriptures; and I have never spoken with intentional disrepect of religion in general, or of any denomination of Christians in particular. 1846
Certainly there is no contending against the Will of God; but still there is some difficulty in ascertaining, and applying it, to particular cases. 1858
The Bible says somewhere that we are desperately selfish. I think we would have discovered that fact without the Bible. 1858
The good old maxims of the Bible are applicable, and truly applicable to human affairs..... 1859
and a warning about religion
The will of God prevails. In great contests each party claims to act in accordance with the will of God. Both may be, and one must be wrong. God can not be for and against the same thing at the same time. 1862 (Civil War)
God bless the Methodist Church -- bless all the churches -- and blessed be God, Who, in this our great trial, giveth us the churches. 1864
yes, the US was close to being a homogeneous "Christian country" in Lincoln's time. Yet fiercely divided over slavery.
A lot of good Christianity was doing in politics at that time except being claimed by each side as a high ground. It was certainly giving private comfort to many in their fear and grief.
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Heyzeus
climber
Hollywood,Ca
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Everyone here, with the exception of Native Americans, is an immigrant or a descendent of immigrants.
I thought they were immigrants too, no?
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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The American religion is "MONEY". Sad but true. I keep thinking that the left should come up with some pithy phrase to describe how the Bible-thumping right really worships Mammon, not the God they wrap themselves in for political gain. The right labels the left "secular humanists". They should be "fiscal fundamentalists" or "fiscal Pharisees", etc. Someone needs to get on that.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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"Fiscal Pharisees" sounds good to me, Fat Dad, except that the so-called "Christian Right" isn't particularly understanding or conservative on fiscal matters. I've always wondered if the "Christian Right" acted as the second coming of the Pharisees in the hope of speeding up the Second Coming of Christ to condemn them.
John
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WBraun
climber
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"God can not be for and against the same thing at the same time."
But it is.
Simultaneous oneness and difference.
Study it very intensely and you'll see it even in material nature ......
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Thanks Jim, for your statement. It made me think.
Generalizations have always irritated me a bit. Like labeling people so you can figure out what box to put them in and they won't be a bother to your life. As hard as I try, I have to be careful of this.
I think about my best friend, jesus. He didn't try to be a political leader or espouse political ideology. He came to help people. He lived what he believed, one on one. As far as I know he didn't form one group or club or even start a church or synagogue. He had 12 close friends that he hung out with, but that was about it. All the crowds that followed him around and he managed to avoid organizing them or collecting money from them. Amazing to me.
Hope all is well with the tres amigos(as)especially Lela.
Cheers, Lynne
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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15 of the delegates to the constitutional convention owned slaves ( nothing Christian about that) , 13 were Freemasons. At least 5 were avowed Deists, including Jefferson and Washington. Adams died Unitarian.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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I think before WWII everyone was loyal to their particular ethnic or racial group. During WWII, but especially around the time of the Normandy invasion in June 1944, the whole country came together as a single nation. That unity continued to a large degree after the War because of various government programs like the GI Bill, FHA home loans, and no interest student and small business loans and, of course, fighting the Russians during the Cold War. Now however as the middle classes decline, that old national unity is dissolving and the various groups are again returning to their old ethnic and racial loyalties. As long as those ethnic and racial divisions don't impact the income level in the gated communities, I don't think the 1% really care that much about this sort of fragmentation. No matter what religion, race or ethnic group they come from, they all have to buy products and services, though certainly not with the same spirit of co-operation that held them together during WWII and the Cold War. The whole country is becoming a set of loosely federated economic zones without any clear sense of unified purpose or identity. So much for the half-breed nation.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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WWJD?
Hey tami, I think its WWJDD..
edit: he would send.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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The Moral Majority is neither
So true.
It is also true that they don't represent what Christianity is really about.
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vlani
Trad climber
mountain view, ca
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the second coming of the Pharisees They have never left. Organized religion, or church, is the modern word, same meaning.
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GuapoVino
climber
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I've read the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and every other founding document I am aware of and I just can't find any mention of Jesus or Christianity. I found "creator" a few times but that is kind of vague. Thomas Jefferson used the word "God" once in one of these documents but I take that to be in a very poetic sense considering his views and his modification of the bible into the Jefferson Bible. It's just not there.
One document that does address whether or not this country is a Christian nation is the Treaty of Tripoli. I'm no historian but I believe the document was initially drafted under Washington and then signed under Adams. It states in no uncertain terms that this country was in no sense founded as a Christian nation.
People will sometimes point to the motto "In God We Trust" on our currency. When was it added to our paper currency? 1957 or 1958? My prediction is that some day many years in the future it will be removed and then every earthquake, tornado, hurricane, recession, school shooting and anything else will be blamed on it as proof of some wrath.
People are free to think and worship as they choose without any fear of persecution from the government. I don't understand why that isn't good enough for some people.
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slabbo
Trad climber
colo south
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F religion in any form
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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F religion in any form Mature.
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WBraun
climber
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Just see above video the atheist holding his atheist bible book.
The stupid slabbo says F all religion.
All while the atheist is preaching his "There is no God" religion holding his atheist bible.
Stupid hypocrites ......
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