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HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 10, 2014 - 04:20pm PT
From the
"Now You've Got To Be a Christian to re-up in the Air Force" department
The US air force has told an atheist airman he must swear his re-enlistment oath to God or he will not be allowed to reenlist, according to the American Humanist.

The airman, who is stationed at Creech air force base in Nevada, has not been identified. The service said he has until November to swear the oath required of all servicemembers, which concludes with the phrase “so help me God”.

The American Humanist Association said in a letter to the air force (pdf) last week that the officer was told that he either had to say the phrase or leave the service. The airman has previously crossed out the phrase in a written contract and refused to say it out loud, and was told August 25 that the contract would therefore not be accepted for re-enlistment.

The group believes the oath as currently required is a violation of the airman’s constitutional rights under the first amendment and demanded that he be allowed to re-enlist without using the phrase.

US law requires the phrase to be included in the oath given to all servicemembers, though its implementation is left to each branch of the military. Air force members could omit the phrase until the service updated its directive on the oath in October 2013. Before that, the instruction for the oath included the phrase: “Airmen may omit the words ‘so help me God,’ if desired for personal reasons.”

The air force has said it cannot change the rule without congressional action.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/us-air-force-sergeant-reenlist-god-oath
Odd,
I don't recall that being an atheist would get you out of admission to the Armed Forces during the Vietnam War. Would have been a lot simpler than the whole Conscientious Objected application process. They probably put the atheists right out there on the front lines.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 10, 2014 - 04:32pm PT
Hope the ACLU steps in. No way the Air Force wins a court challenge on this.

The Air Force already has a fundamentalist christian sh#t stain on it because of the Academy. Surely this 'rule change' is the result of one if its Fundamentalist Alumni?

DMT
moosedrool

climber
lost, far away from Poland
Sep 10, 2014 - 06:27pm PT
I guess, in America only the Christians are allowed to kill other people.

That's OK with me. I don't want to kill anybody. I am just a fuked up atheist.

Moose
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujň de la Playa
Sep 10, 2014 - 08:22pm PT
"Here you are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid."
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Sep 10, 2014 - 08:28pm PT
OH boy post #1500

Being against something only gives it more power.
thebravecowboy

climber
strugglin' to make time to climb
Sep 10, 2014 - 10:29pm PT
man you guys remind me of those people always shouting that gibberish "takbir!" "Allah-u-akbar!" etc, etc.

anyway, continue with your yargle-bargle.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 11, 2014 - 09:49am PT
When signing up for the Air Farce, I wonder if instead of
"So help me God"

can you say "Im s'Allah"?
or "So help me Elohim?
or "Blessings from Brahman"?

hmmm......what could a Buddhist say?
I guess Muslims, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists will be as out of luck as atheists.

perhaps the Navy will have them?
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Sep 11, 2014 - 10:24am PT
Christian organizations are now trying to ban athiests from the military.

What a great idea! Send the christians to war and kill them all!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 11, 2014 - 10:27am PT
LOL that'll be the day. That christians march off to fight their own goddamned wars.

DMT
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Sep 11, 2014 - 02:17pm PT
^^^^
Crusades!
Credit: Sierra Ledge Rat
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 11, 2014 - 04:55pm PT
Harhar those guys were as christian as a pile of dog sh#t.

Killers. Murderers. Thieves.

DMT
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujň de la Playa
Sep 11, 2014 - 08:25pm PT




speak no evil, dudes.

Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Sep 14, 2014 - 07:47am PT
Not entirely clear but the above numnut is apparently a racist christian who hates the race of
Jesus. Who, by the way, is the only way to heaven.
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Sep 14, 2014 - 09:19am PT
It's sometime too easily forgotten that the early Christians were in fact Jews.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Sep 14, 2014 - 09:23am PT
shezus's just alright with me...  <br/>
shezus's just alright with me...

Credit: the Holy Sculptures...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Sep 14, 2014 - 09:30am PT
Again, i will ask,, when the last time was ANY OF YOU heard or saw a CHristian be-heading someone?


All the blather about Christianity seems bent to recollect a LONG SINCE past. An ANCIENT past actually, meanwhile TODAY we have muslims that call themselves issis actually be heading folks, kidnapping women in many countries to rape and murder.


crickets~~~chirp chirp.



I wonder why such hatred of Christians is so prevalent here. I wonder why Budhists are mentioned when they have been engaging in genocides?

I wonder why.


Jeremy Ross

Gym climber
Sep 14, 2014 - 09:31am PT
Everyday in Mexico, Ron.



-JR
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Sep 14, 2014 - 09:36am PT
Got some links??


I want aware that the cartels were based on religion other than drugs.
Jeremy Ross

Gym climber
Sep 14, 2014 - 09:39am PT
Do you speak Spanish? Read Mexican newspapers. It is an everyday occurrence.

You asked if Christians lop off heads, yes they do. These guys aren't a religious movement, but they do claim to be Christians.


-JR
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Sep 14, 2014 - 09:41am PT

Interesting (to me) comparison charts...

http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/comparison_charts/islam_judaism_christianity.htm
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