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The Chief

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Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 15, 2014 - 02:31pm PT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH

Sep 15, 2014 - 01:28pm PT
Ledgerat, have you used any of your military benefits then? Just curios.

Breath RON, breath!!!!!
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Sep 15, 2014 - 02:40pm PT


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anita514

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Great White North
Sep 15, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
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sandstone conglomerate

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sharon conglomerate central
Sep 15, 2014 - 04:16pm PT
Christianity? Who still believes in that stupid sh#t? Can't you be a decent person without the fear of eternal damnation? Of is that the only thing that motivates Christians, a fear of some deity the condemns them to hellfire if they don't act nice?
thebravecowboy

climber
strugglin' to make time to climb
Sep 15, 2014 - 04:35pm PT
The Gideons were about today, pushing little free green books on the people just headed in to work or school. I said, "No thanks, I prefer non-fiction."
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Sep 15, 2014 - 04:46pm PT
fear of eternal damnation is the only path to heaven. got nothing to do with decency.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 16, 2014 - 04:15pm PT
What do some Christian Evangelist "educators" have in common with ISIS in Mosul Iraq?
The new curriculum even went so far as to explicitly ban Charles Darwin's theory of evolution — although it was not previously taught in Iraqi schools.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/16/islamic-state-ban-evolution_n_5829410.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

The Founding Fathers had very very good reasons for separating church from state, including public education. We allow ANY religion into public schools and the government at our own peril.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 16, 2014 - 07:24pm PT

The Founding Fathers had very very good reasons for separating church from state,

You people are always twisting this up!

The Founding (Christian) Fathers kept the State from the Church

Should be oblivious by the tax representation. If the State was incharge do you really think they would allow the Church to be untaxable?
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 16, 2014 - 07:39pm PT
If the State was incharge do you really think they would allow the Church to be untaxable
Careful what you say.
Sounds like a good reason to start taxing churches.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 16, 2014 - 08:08pm PT
Church's are "for profit" corporations that should be taxed. That garbage they spew out to pull in the dough wouldn't past muster with the food and drug administration. If they were retaurants or pharmacies they wouldn't have anything to sell.
thebravecowboy

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hold on tight boys
Sep 16, 2014 - 08:53pm PT
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sandstone conglomerate

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sharon conglomerate central
Sep 16, 2014 - 08:57pm PT
that christ sure is a task master. He probably didn't flip his own tables or carry his own cross.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 17, 2014 - 01:17am PT
the first federal income tax was levied in 1861. The Founding Fathers werent involved.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Sep 17, 2014 - 09:11am PT
Churches are tax cheats same as any other Corporation.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 17, 2014 - 09:32am PT
Right about the Income Tax.
So for once I'm going to let someone else dig out the facts.
When were religious institutions in the US first absolved from tax liability? After all there were taxes and levies from day one of The Republic.
Which taxes do they pay now, if any?
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2014 - 11:22am PT
Well well.
The Air Force has seen the error of their ways and corrected it. Atheists may again join.
The US air force has allowed an atheist airman to re-enlist after initially refusing to process the his paperwork, because he refused to sign an oath that contained the phrase “so help me God”.

The service announced the policy reversal after the American Humanist Association threatened to file suit by 19 September .

“After fighting for our rights, non-theists now again have the status quo in the Air Force, a secular affirmation consistent with other branches of service and our Constitution”, said Jason Torpy, president of the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers, in a statement.

The unnamed airman, stationed at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada, was allowed to sign a secular affirmation to the service. Initially, the airman struck the phrase “so help me God” from his paperwork, and refused to say the phrase during a verbal oath when attempting to re-enlist on 25 August.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/18/us-air-force-atheist-airman-reeinlist
The Air Force was standing alone
Other American armed services, the army, navy and marines, all allow servicemembers to swear secular oaths if they object to the references to God.
Air force secretary Deborah Lee James said the air force has since been instructed to allow airmen to swear a secular oath.

“We take any instance in which airmen report concerns regarding religious freedom seriously,” said James in a statement. “We are making the appropriate adjustments to ensure our airmen’s rights are protected.”
WBraun

climber
Sep 18, 2014 - 11:31am PT
yes

There's no difference between atheist and theist except atheist is unconscious of God and theist is conscious of God.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 18, 2014 - 11:32am PT
The Catholic church's tax exemption has given enough financial advantage over other entities to gobble up hospital after hospital. Currently they own 20% of America's hospital beds, and 45% in WA. The problem is - they deny their patients (who often have no other options in rural areas) family planning and end of life services, as required by law, due to their Ethical and Religious Directive (ie, purely religious reasons).

This is a problem the ACLU is going to take on - but the landscape has become more difficult in the wake of the SCOTUS Hobby Lobby decision.



HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 18, 2014 - 12:23pm PT
the deny their patients (who often have no other options in rural areas) family planning and end of life services, as required by law, due to their Ethical and Religious Directive
My wife, an oncology nurse has seen this happen in a Catholic hospital. She could not even give her patient's family the recommendation to seek hospice counseling. It disturbed her greatly.

However her Catholic brother in law just died of cancer in a Catholic hospice. He was treated with the greatest respect and allowed to die in the natural course of his disease. That is compassionate Christianity.
It does exist in enlightened hospices.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 18, 2014 - 12:35pm PT
A society needs to explicitly decide where, exactly, the separation of church and state lies in cases where entities, like the Catholic church, willfully flout the law (everyone else has to follow).

One solution is to pass legislation that differentiates between institutions whose primary purpose is to serve the general public (hospitals), and those whose primary purpose is religious education and indoctrination (churches and religious schools). The former would be required to offer all the survives required by law in a manner required by same.

This constitutes new legal ground, and is therefore a somewhat risky strategy to pursue.

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