No, we are not a "Christian" nation......

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donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Original Post - May 6, 2014 - 01:25pm PT
We are much more. We are a mosaic of different creeds, colors and cultures. We are a nation where the children of parents who couldn't speak english win the National Spelling Bee. We are a land where, more than nearly everywhere else, opportunity is a function of striving more than it is of birth. Everyone here, with the exception of Native Americans, is an immigrant or a descendent of immigrants.
Anyone who believes we are a nation based on one color, creed or culture is on the wrong side of history.
thebravecowboy

climber
in the face of the fury of the funk
May 6, 2014 - 01:27pm PT
Thank you Capt. D.



Wait a minute, you are the big J for many here...

Sure you're not setting up a competing business, err religion?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
May 6, 2014 - 01:29pm PT
lol!
Tami

Social climber
Canada
May 6, 2014 - 01:41pm PT
Whussup that you feel a need to express this sentiment?

Christians up your bum crack?

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2014 - 01:44pm PT
Five weeks of total climbing immersion Tami, and the fact that I have seen that sentiment (Christian Nation) expressed several times lately.
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
May 6, 2014 - 01:52pm PT
Can we at least blame them for the genocide of the Native inhabitants?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
May 6, 2014 - 01:58pm PT
The colors of my country are many!

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2051543&msg=2065255#msg2065255



Rudbud

Gym climber
Grover Beach, CA
May 6, 2014 - 02:19pm PT
Donini, are you trying to brain wash me? My parents told me different.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
May 6, 2014 - 02:20pm PT
It is such a silly sentiment given the real diversity and general peaceful co-existence that exists in much of North America and indeed the world.

I've never understood why some people need exclusivity of their religion. It's sooooooo blitheringly stupid.

WWJD?

:-)
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
May 6, 2014 - 02:22pm PT
I think we should now pause for a Christian prayer.

And, according to this week's US Supreme Court decision, any of you who don't like it "can just leave the room."
dirtbag

climber
May 6, 2014 - 02:22pm PT
Donini for SCOTUS.
John M

climber
May 6, 2014 - 02:33pm PT
Donini for SCOTUS.

you want Donini for your ball sack? ??
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
May 6, 2014 - 02:36pm PT
I pledge Allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands,
one nation under God, indivisible,
with Liberty and Justice for all.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
May 6, 2014 - 02:38pm PT
Nut again, under God wasn't added to the pledge until 1954. We can't claim that came from the founders.

The money (Moloch) also says under god, not christ, for what it's worth.

Not Christian American
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Not Christian American on the right
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Christian from the right
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JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
May 6, 2014 - 02:40pm PT
Until someone provides me with an authoritative definition of "Christian Nation," I find the statement meaningless. I have, however, heard many Christians speak as if the U.S. is the Kingdom of the Second Coming -- something I regard as blasphemy.

If, however, someone claims that we can understand American history without the background of the Bible and Christianity, I would differ -- and rather strongly. If nothing else, some of America's most famous orations, including but not limited to Patrick Henry's "Give me liberty or give me death" speech, Lincoln's "House divided" speech, or Bryan's "Cross of Gold" speech, assumed a Biblical knowledge that would color listeners' responses.

Then again, I wonder if current students of American History know of the existence of any of those speeches. Given some of the bizarre opinions I've heard, I would have rational cause to think that a significant number of my countrymen think World War II was when President Wilson freed the slaves.

John
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
May 6, 2014 - 02:40pm PT
But....

The US is a Christian Nation! Dammit!
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
May 6, 2014 - 02:42pm PT
The earth belongs to no humans. We just rent little spots of it for as long as we can muster the physical force to defend it, or pay protection money (e.g. property taxes in U.S.) to someone else who will muster the physical force for us. This is the natural law.


I'm working on my Werner-like aphorisms... not quite pithy enough yet, but with practice I can get there.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 6, 2014 - 02:47pm PT
The Moral Majority is neither
Just as they intended American politics hasn't been the same since the self anointed High Moralists threw their money and mouths into politics. (which they had the right to do)

For truly Moral Christian leaders I refer you to Jimmy Carter and Bill Moyers among many many others. The new Pope is even looking pretty good.
Jerry Falwell can go to his Hell....which he very well might have done.
Sanskara

climber
May 6, 2014 - 02:47pm PT
Idk know what to say other than I second your senatments...

And I wanna move to patagonia and live off the grid for the rest of my days.

Forget about all this political and money and media driven bullsh#t.

I know I know ignorance is not bliss it is ignorance but but but...

And living in the wild is work I know but but but but...
moosedrool

climber
lost, far away from Poland
May 6, 2014 - 02:49pm PT
I will carry the cross myself!

Moose
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