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dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Jun 18, 2015 - 02:03pm PT
Pest control services should jump on this and offer drone eradication.

The Russians claim to be working on a drone killer microwave gun. Just guessing but that sounds like a battery connected to some super capacitors, a coil, and a microwave oven magnetron with a directional antenna.

http://www.popsci.com/russia-working-anti-drone-microwave-gun

Trashman

Trad climber
SLC
Jun 18, 2015 - 02:50pm PT
F*#k those people and their goddamned toys. Should be hard time Federal offense to be caught flying anywhere near commercial aircraft, and all these machines should be required to have a transponder and unique code to be built in so they can be tracked.

Careful their Dingus, you know how the taco gets when someone suggests that people register and track their toys 😡😤
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jun 18, 2015 - 03:15pm PT
That's outrageous.

I agree. That has to get figured out. But I believe they use that as a starting point.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jun 18, 2015 - 03:43pm PT
No problem there Dingus. Same here. Pagan and I really do hope we can lead by example. But at the same time I almost want to beat some of these dronedou chebags (set up a site to call them out I did) that do stupid sh#t like go near manned aircraft. But then that would not be the best example.

The thing is though I understand the concern I think there are a few things that are being way overblown. Certainly the privacy issue needs to be discussed but at the same time I don't know a single person that would even consider something like that yet everywhere I go everyone is freaking out about the issue. There is a disconnect to what people believe is happening and what is actually happening. And that bugs me because that's just as helpful as the f*#ktards that would enter airspace they should simply not be in.

Today I read a story that the FAA is saying they will have their regs out within a year. As soon as they do Amazon starts their delivery service. I'm not a big fan of their idea but if nothing else I'd imagine the idea of who owns air space and what the definition is of the extent of private property will get hashed out before that happens. I guess that is unless they plan to automate their vehicles to follow over roads.

Gary

Social climber
From A Buick 6
Jun 18, 2015 - 05:36pm PT
This from a WSJ article

The FAA says the advent of drones has extended “navigable airspace”—and thus the FAA’s authority—down to the ground. As long as private drones don’t endanger people, the agency says, they can legally hover just above private property in the U.S. The agency added that many states and cities have “noise and nuisance” laws they can use to prosecute drone users who fly over private property.

Do you have a link? I'd like to read the whole thing. It should be interesting to see how this works out in court. Being an easement over private property, I don't think the FAA has authority to change limits of that easement. But who knows.

Found this:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-issues-privacy-rules-for-government-drones-in-u-s-1424015402

Those safety requirements would limit commercial drone flights to below 500 feet, during daytime hours and within sight of the operator. Notably, the proposed rule would also ban flying commercial drones near airports or over people not involved in the drone’s flight.

This is proposed. I have a half-assed grasp on boundary law. Seems to me if you're flying under 500' over someones property, you're still trespassing.
Gary

Social climber
From A Buick 6
Jun 19, 2015 - 11:23am PT
Another definition of when a drone is trespassing:

“From a personal property aspect, when are your property rights being violated? An inch above your property? Yeah, you probably own that,” Geiger said. “Thirty feet above your property? We’re not sure. What counts as reasonable as more and more UAS fill the sky – in tens and hundreds of thousands, which is what we predict in the coming decades - what counts as reasonable will probably shrink.”

Massie had his own suggestion: “Maybe the floor is the range of a 12-gauge with number six shot in it.”

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/17/congress-drones-nightmare-scenario-for-civil-liberties
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jun 19, 2015 - 01:37pm PT
I try to stay away from such topics but here is my two cents, unless they are being used for search and rescue purposes, I hate the goddamn things.

I do not want my privacy invaded by some gurrier/voyeur who thinks they have the right to invade the space above me.

And I do not want to go into the "but governments do it" crap. Of course they do, right or wrong. But every Tom, DICK and Harry? Nope, I do not buy that. Go play with your toys over your own space, not my space or the public's space.

My 2˘.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jun 19, 2015 - 01:50pm PT
And as I recall, guns can't shoot the little bastards down. But lasers, the same lasers that sickos use to disable airline pilots or sports players on a field. Another tricky can of worms there.

Technology always seems to outpace human 'intelligence' and ethics. For better or for worse. It seems the latter many times.

Where do we begin, where do we stop?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 19, 2015 - 01:57pm PT
"Don't strafe me, brah!"
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jun 19, 2015 - 01:59pm PT
Observation, in journalism or any area, should take due diligence. (Let’s not kid ourselves on that one.)

If a drone can help catch a fugitive, or a lost person, all the better.

But for recreational purposes, where do the lines get crossed?
squishy

Mountain climber
Jun 19, 2015 - 02:05pm PT
Any questions?

http://dronenationals.com/
squishy

Mountain climber
Jun 19, 2015 - 02:08pm PT
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the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jun 19, 2015 - 02:19pm PT
Just like smoking people have the right to do it as long as it's not in my face.

What's the difference between a google car filming a street for it's maps and a drone? I guess Google at least at some point fuzzed out everyone's faces. I wonder if they were forced to do that or did it on their own? It's a public space so you have the right to film there, but of course being a good person dictates you shouldn't invade anyone's privacy and purposefully film someone, but if they are in the background that's part of being in a public space, there's a long precedent for that otherwise you couldn't film anything in a public space without someone in the background suing you. The fat guy was an idiot unless they were purposefully filming him. I mean he is pretty sexy.

If someone flys over my property I guess the shotgun is out because I'd worry where the shot would land. So I would need some kind of water cannon. Or maybe one of those nets you shoot.

I remember years ago they had the Estes rockets with little cameras inside him. So this isn't really new, it just the proliferation is 1000+ fold when the tech becomes so cheap and easy.

But I wouldn't worry about 500 of them attacking commercial airliners. You'd need 500 lunatic fringe a-holes in America. And we don't have that many. There's so many ways one person or a handful of people could cause way more destruction than that with much simpler technology. The fact that that doesn't happen show how few lunatic idiots who are willing to do something there really are.

Add: I guess I can get No.9 shot in shotgun shells which only travels a few hundred feet. Perfect for taking out tresspassing drones.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Jun 19, 2015 - 02:28pm PT
Google got some grief in the UK for fuzzing out pictures of the queen
which are all over. On signs and buildings.

Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jun 20, 2015 - 12:20am PT
This subject could "drone" on, couldn't it.

I know, another PPP (Patrick's Pathetic Puns).
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jun 20, 2015 - 11:31am PT
I wonder if they were forced to do that or did it on their own?

Without a model release they are "forced" to do that.


I'm ok with engaging in the type of discussion DMT is talking about. The possibilities are endless as to the ways these things could be nefariously. Although at the same time to pull off a plot like the one you describe (DMT) I'd have to say there's really no difference between that and say the Boston Marathon bombing. If people are going to try to do f*#ked up sh#t then they are going to try to do f*#ked up sh#t. This technology has not made that any easier. And what I mean by that is a plot to kill is a plot is a plot is a plot.

The discussion I won't engage in is the privacy issue. It's so overblown it's ridiculous. This technology isn't giving the pervs any advantage. They are better off with a telephoto lens from across the street than a loud lawnmower in the air with a wide angle lens.

If you got your panties in a twist for real reasons I'll engage. if they are in a twist for no reason then I'll pass.
landcruiserbob

Trad climber
PUAKO, BIG ISLAND Kohala Coast
Jun 20, 2015 - 11:50am PT
I hate drones, every time we have good surf I have one of those fu$ker$ flyin over. Almost as bad as the go pro punks; whatever happened to just having fun and without the need to document it???

Aloha and be well

Rg
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jun 23, 2015 - 05:03pm PT
DMTs worse nightmare came true

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ac3_1435080329
WBraun

climber
Jun 25, 2015 - 05:49pm PT
Hahaha

Ho Mannnn

A pissed off DMT .......
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Jun 25, 2015 - 06:54pm PT
DMtoast - totally agree. Them fragile little CDF air tankers
can be knocked downed by a hummingbird.
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