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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Nature,
I'm not against the technology. A year or so back we had a presentation at work about the industrial use of drones for remote inspection work. For inspecting radio towers, pipeline right aways etc I see the technology has being safer than sending out climbers or pilots as well as providing a more thorough inspection with full video of a structure vs. a few still photos or a written report.
On the flip side, when I'm out in nature I don't even like coming across groups of people that running their gums on trails let alone being buzzed by a drone. Couldn't imagine being on a wall or alpine route and being buzzed. After putting all the effort into getting away from all that stuff and then being buzzed, my mellow would be seriously harshed.
Hmm, wonder how one of these would fit in a pig?
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Nature I got your APM email...Sorry I cannot help much because I do not use any auto or stabilization on my wing, lol...and check out our newest design...this is nothing but two servos and a camera..
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Paul, yeah I get that. I think we're both in complete agreement. Lot's of great applications for this technology. And very well paying jobs. Propane leak inspection work is fetching $850/hour.
thanks squishy... no worries. I need the autopilot for a variety of reasons. the first is my lack of ability to fly a fixed wing in manual and the second to do mapping projects.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jun 11, 2015 - 06:58am PT
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Doesn't the 2nd Amendment give us the right to bear drones?
For ten years or more the USA has used drones to take out terrorists. What does this teach the terrorists?
Looking forward to the "Drone Wars"
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 11, 2015 - 08:13am PT
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Looking forward to the "Drone Wars
Not nearly as much as I am. I'll be ordering Tolman's quiver, trust me.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 11, 2015 - 09:24am PT
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"The FAA is still developing regulations to make that happen, a process that is expected to take years."
Years? WTF?
What's wrong with simply adopting the FAA "kite rules" for drones?
You can fly a kite anywhere you want, as long as the kite stays under 500' and five miles from an airport.
( I fudge on the five mile rule sometimes. Nobody really cares unless you're within a mile or two, and your kite is in their pattern. )
Squishy? Nature? Could you live with flying under 500' five miles from airports? Or would that ruin what you're doin'?
Seems like the FAA could just cross out "kite" and write "drone", and be done with.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 11, 2015 - 09:28am PT
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Chaz, you know that's way too simple and sensible.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Jun 11, 2015 - 09:58am PT
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Doesn't the 2nd Amendment give us the right to bear drones?
But, not the right to drone bears.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 17, 2015 - 05:11pm PT
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I just coughed up a huge chunk of change to get our 333 exemption done. Talking to the lawyers tomorrow. We will be legal to operate commercially in the next three months.
Chaz/Reilly - those rules already exist and have for 40+ years. no flying within 5 miles of airports (actually varies on the airports) and no flying over 400'. Our 333 exemption will limit us to under 200' and not within 500' of people not associated with the mission.
Although in regards to flying around airports if it is necessary it's simply a matter of radioing the tower and notifying them of the mission, timing, location etc. It's not a request - it's a statement. And with the 333 we will notify using our assigned N number (same N number as manned vehicles).
Here's the rules we follow:
FAA guideline compliance
Pre and Post Flight Inspections
Regular Flight Log and Telemetry Reviews
Proactive Flight Path Briefings
Constant Telemetry and state of the art controller systems
Dedicated Camera Operators and Spotters for additional pilot support
Constant Flight and Safety Testing
Certified, Experienced, and Insured Pilots
Standardized Fleet components
Specifically our safety guidelines are:
Our vehicles are less than 25 kg AGW
We fly only visual line-of-site (VLOS) missions (operator or observer)
At no time are our vehicles operated over persons not directly involved in the mission
We operate only during daylight hours
We grant right-of-way to all other aircraft (manned or unmanned)
Vehicles fly at no greater than a maximum speed of 100mph
Vehicles stay below 500 feet above ground level (AGL) - changing to 200' once 333 is granted
We never operate in Class A airspace
We notify ATC when operating in Class B, C, D and E airspaces
Oh... and the guy that swatted the drone out of the air with his shirt is facing felony destruction of property charges. The pilot has agreed to not press charges if he coughs up $1500 to cover damages. The fat drunk dude doesn't look like he has that kind of cash so a court date is likely in his future.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 17, 2015 - 06:29pm PT
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Nature, if only everybody was as rational and responsible as you. Fly on, butterfly!
BTW, if you need the gravitas of a high timer on yer rolls I'm yer buttercup! ;-)
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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Jun 18, 2015 - 07:37am PT
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You can fly a kite anywhere you want, as long as the kite stays under 500' and five miles from an airport.
( I fudge on the five mile rule sometimes. Nobody really cares unless you're within a mile or two, and your kite is in their pattern. )
No, you can't fly a kite, or a drone, or a plane anywhere you want under 500'. If you're under 500' over someone else's property, you are trespassing.
Your property extends from the surface to the center of the Earth, and upwards to infinity. 500' is where the public easement for aviation starts.
Just picking nits!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 18, 2015 - 07:42am PT
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500' is where the public easement for aviation starts
Tell that to the myriad helo jocks over my house who think no hour is too late and that 500' is too high to fly.
BTW, fixed wingers are enjoined from flying within 1000' of you, yer loved ones, or yer house,
and that 1000' is in any direction.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 18, 2015 - 08:52am PT
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Your property extends from the surface to the center of the Earth, and upwards to infinity. 500' is where the public easement for aviation starts.
False - but maybe you are trolling like DMT
Reilly - thanks. It's not commercial operations that anyone needs to worry about. The thing is there are f*#ktards in every walk of life. To think this technology is bringing those guys out of the wood work is just paranoid delusion.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 18, 2015 - 09:06am PT
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The guy was doing a filming project on public property which he has ever right to do. It's the dude with the shirt that knocked it out of the air that's going to jail.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 18, 2015 - 09:23am PT
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yeah... good luck with that. Get use to it. It isn't going anywhere.
On another note this may very well be our first IR camera:
http://flir.com/cores/display/?id=69414
Pagan was doing some test flights at one of the ski resorts and ended up in a conversation with the ski lift maintenance guys and they pointed out IR could be use to detect failing wheels on ski lifts. A day later he met a guy that works for the Utah Dept. of Roads (or whatever they actually call it). We'll have a meeting with the guys sup to show the technology and how it can be used to make people safer (avalanche inspection / hill slope inspection).
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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Jun 18, 2015 - 10:42am PT
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False - but maybe you are trolling like DMT
No troll. Generally 500' is where the public aviation easement starts. You still own that air space in fee. No different than at your house, where you own to the centerline of the street.
When they are weaponized, you will see quite different reaction from our fellow citizens.
I hope you are wrong.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 18, 2015 - 01:53pm PT
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Gary - I guess the idea of owning to the core of the earth made me wonder. So I did some digging.
1) correct - 500' is where public easement begins.
One thing I found was this ruling:
In 1946 the Supreme Court acknowledged that the air had become a “public highway,” but a landowner still had dominion over “at least as much of the space above the ground as he can occupy or use in connection with the land.
that's from the same case I posted above in the graphic
Beyond the occupiable land it appears to be a bit of a grey area.
This from a WSJ article
The FAA says the advent of drones has extended “navigable airspace”—and thus the FAA’s authority—down to the ground. As long as private drones don’t endanger people, the agency says, they can legally hover just above private property in the U.S. The agency added that many states and cities have “noise and nuisance” laws they can use to prosecute drone users who fly over private property.
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