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bpope
climber
Sunnyvale, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 2, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
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And by "drones" they mean RC 'copters.
Posted by the NPS here: http://www.nps.gov/yose/parknews/use-of-unmanned-aircraft-systems-drones-prohibited-in-yosemite-national-park.htm
Yosemite National Park advises visitors that the use of Unmanned Aircraft Systems (Drones) are prohibited within park boundaries due to regulations outlined in the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR). Specifically, the use of drones within the park boundaries is illegal under all circumstances. Thirty Six CFR 2.17(a)(3) states, “delivering or retrieving a person or object by parachute, helicopter, or other airborne means, except in emergencies involving public safety or serious property loss, or pursuant to the terms and conditions of a permit” is illegal. This applies to drones of all shapes and sizes.
The park has experienced an increase in visitors using drones within park boundaries over the last few years. Drones have been witnessed filming climbers ascending climbing routes, filming views above tree-tops, and filming aerial footage of the park. Drones can be extremely noisy, and can impact the natural soundscape. Drones can also impact the wilderness experience for other visitors creating an environment that is not conducive to wilderness travel. The use of drones also interferes with emergency rescue operations and can cause confusion and distraction for rescue personnel and other parties involved in the rescue operation. Additionally, drones can have negative impacts on wildlife nearby the area of use, especially sensitive nesting peregrine falcons on cliff walls.
Visitors traveling to the park should be aware that the use of drones is prohibited while visiting the park and should not be utilized at any time.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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big surprise there
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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The actual regulation says "delivering or retrieving a person or object..."
The way I read it, a remote control toy isn't illegal... which is essentially what half the "drones" with cameras are in all seriousness.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Drones are those who can't fly a kite.
I asked at the gate before the first time I flew any kites in Joshua Tree, and the guy there said kites are OK, but radio-control aircraft aren't. That was in '08, before anyone had ever heard of a civilian R/C drone.
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Cloudraker
Mountain climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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F*#king A! That is excellent news. Those infernal machines are the bane of freedom.
Totally agree, they're invasive, annoying and a hazard when overhead. They literally fall out of the sky all the time.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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MOTORIZED and not on a road.. Kinda obvious I'd say.
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Luckily true multirotor pilots don't call them "drones", which is really the term for the militarised flying robots. Nothing there in the regs about "quadcopters" ;) (though motorised and wilderness obviously conflict).
My obsession of late (past five months) has been building mini quadcopters--my two current favourites are one that flies autonomously after tapping points onto a google map on a Nexus tablet, and one that flies with a video link and I fly FPV (first person view) with goggles.
The idea that got me going is when I think of all the days we spent finding the optimal route through the Dungee Glacier to find the approach to Great Trango, how we could have saved much time and toil if we could have first done a video flyover--so a super portable quadcopter (has to fit into a small camera case) has been fulfilling all my design drive these days...
This one I'm selling: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/XuGong-8-Folding-Quadcopter-with-Naza-GPS-and-Fatshark-FPV-setup-/331190034697?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Radio_Controlled_Vehicles&hash=item4d1c76e109&_uhb=1
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NA_Kid
Big Wall climber
The Bear State
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I cant believe those trash trucks that come around every morning. Well said Ed, where are the priorities in "wilderness experience."
Nice looking quadcopter Deuce4.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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May 2, 2014 - 03:57pm PT
F*#king A! That is excellent news. Those infernal machines are the bane of freedom.
DMT
Well, no. Cars have held that title for a century. RV's aren't far behind.
Come to think of it, cell phones are third, and if you point a GoPro at me when I'm taking a dump I'm throwing you off the ledge and cutting the rope.
Yer on notice.
As far as Drones in control by citizens, I want a cop to be worried about somebody filming him beating an old lady to death.
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John M
climber
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there goes my wall beer delivery service…
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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It seems to only apply to visitors. It omits LEO activities or other government/NPS surveillance.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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No drone holds a candle to the lovely sound of Harleys getting it on throughout the park system.
I don't get why they're even allowed into the parks.
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miwuksurfer
Social climber
Mi-Wuk
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Thank god I can listen to the generators and harleys in peace now.
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Mateo Pee Pee
Trad climber
Ivory Tower PDX
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As noted in the original posting "And by "drones" they mean RC 'copters." This is correct although FAA definitions are more clear and broader in scope - google FAA UA Drones for more information.
UA use is illegal under existing FAA guidelines and within the jurisdiction of land management agencies (among others). They can be used by members of the public with special permission and often a fee.
The logic behind park regulations is well reasoned. For example, a RCA (Remote Controlled Aircraft) crash at Smith Rock landed near the base of the Red Wall (see YouTube) and crashes at large gatherings illustrate the the potential danger of these aircraft. Beyond safety reasons, the unregulated use of UAs potentially can have a negative influence on wildlife habitat and behavior, impinge upon the primacy of a natural environment within recreational and spiritual sanctuaries such as Devils Tower, and can create a serious breach in the privacy of individuals and groups.
Two related observations also come to mind. First, many of us remember when fighter planes flew below the Valley rim creating - for some of us - a raised level anxiety regarding rockfall. Low flying civilian aircraft has historically been a problem at Devils Tower, and I have seen avalanches in Alaska triggered by the reverberations from Chinook helicopter. The issues associated with manned aircraft cannot be directly compared UAs for obvious reasons but they do suggest the importance of FAA regulations. I would add that RCAs are far more capable of invading "personal space" as I can attest when one flew within 30' of me while skiing.
My second observation is that what we are just beginning to experience is the tip of the iceberg as suggested by the following:
"I would guess there are already forty or fifty thousand aircraft in the hands of civilians capable of autonomous flight," Chris Anderson, former editor of Wired, told The Verge earlier this year. "That's far more than our best estimates of what the military has, and the number is going to grow rapidly over the next few years."
If UAs are incompatible with your climbing experience and you observe one consider contacting the land managers ASAP giving them the flight location. Also consider contacting the AAC and other climbing organizations if you think this is an issue climbers should be concerned with and that merits us becoming a stakeholder in the FAA decision-making process (final draft of FFA guidelines are expected during the spring of 2015).
Lastly, my apologies for the downer but these things piss me off - I have seen three, two at close range, in the past two weeks.
Edit: you can watch additional YouTube videos illustrating RCAs designed to be indestructible and capable of flying through windows. That might be off topic for SuperTopo but an interesting reality.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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we climbed 4 days in seneca a few weeks ago. Two of those days there were folks running a quad copter. it almost seemed to me like it was a guide service videoing their clients? Anyways it was cool for about 30 seconds and then it was annoying as hell. I much prefer the sound of the wind and the birds....
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Can't wait for some smart kid to invent a surface to air missile launched from a hand held device.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Do they yet make a laser-like instrument or radio-wave weapon that can disable intrusive, nearby drones and send them down to crash like a swatted mosquito? Until they do, how about launching a capturing net that entangles the props?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Do they yet make a laser-like instrument or radio-wave weapon that can disable intrusive, nearby drones and send them down to crash like a swatted mosquito? Until they do, how about launching a capturing net that entangles the props?
They sure do and they are legal in National Parks.
This simple device should do the job
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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can create a serious breach in the privacy of individuals and groups
Kinda like a guy with a telescope on the bridge or in El Cap Meadow? "Hey, I guess she had corn for dinner last night"
DID YOU SAY NOISE? Sorry, I can't hear you over the train of Harleys and the "IF YOU LOOK TO YOUR LEFT.." from the Green Dragon.
The Valley is so far from being a wilderness experience, it's basically Smokey the Bear goes to Disneyland.
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Actually, the Valley Floor is not technically Wilderness. I forget the delineation, but if I recall correctly, it is specified at an altitude which roughly corresponds to the altitude of the base of El Cap (4200'?).
Legal Wilderness has a capital "W" in official documents (wilderness with a small "w" has a different meaning altogether, and "wilderness experience" is just fluff when it comes from land managers).
This knowledge from my efforts of initiating the fight to save Camp 4 back in the day. I think I still have some stuff posted on my bigwalls.net site.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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is there a bounty on those fake choppers?
batteries only last a few minutes so deal with it.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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telling you it was cool for a few min then it was super annoying. i find it pretty brazen to just go out in a climbing park and think that you are so special that you can make one of these things buzz arround peoples heads and that everyone should be ok with that.
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
Nevada City
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shit! there goes my plan to put together clandestine footage of a wide variety of valley free solos, back to the drawing board.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dianne Feinstein claimed to have seen a drone up close.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2014/jan/15/senator-recounts-personal-run-drone/
I assumed she was shitting.
Then she said she looked at it, which caused it to crash. That part I believe.
The "drone" pilot said it wasn't a drone, but a toy helicopter that they had so much trouble keeping aloft that they just tied it to a string, and dangled it from the roof. No camera. No Hellfire missile. Just a toy.
Never mind that, though. She's one of the deciders. And a vocal, influential one.
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Lambone
Big Wall climber
Ashland, Or
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They need to ban biker gangs...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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How bout all those noisy phuks in El Cap Meadow all screaming
"HOW DO THEY GET THE ROPES UP THERE."
And then they get back on their Harleys.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Was at the buttermilks last weekend and on a very popular formation some dork was flying the thing feet from people topping out a test peice high ball. Annoying and scary. I made to berate him mercilessly in front of his girlfriend, but that did little to deter his flights.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Gdavis, you could have stumbled and stepped on it.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Just the average ole Remington .22
plink... bzzzz... splat
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Does this mean that DNC will be moving office staff outside the park?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Forget the wilderness schtick. Those things are beyond damnable solely because of their threat to wildlife.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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And furthermore if the Park Service wasn't run by a bunch of hypocrites they would ban all
Motorized vehicles Tuesday-Thursday to give the wildlife a break.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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i give up....
flat out not good enough to enter into this discussion.
[edit] I deleted my flip, off-target, and otherwise irrelevant posts on the topic and look forward to the penetrating analysis sure to come...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Ed, we're not worthy of you! It was a good post but us simpletons just need to make it, well, simple.
Edit: **Dingus, you deleter!. ;-)
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
Nevada City
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I enjoyed it Ed, should have left it.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz CA
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The drones have been appearing regularly over West Cliff and Pleasure Point in Santa Cruz getting the surfing action. First time I saw one (I wasn't surfing) it took awhile for it to register what it was. Haven't seen one in Yose yet and guess I won't. Fine with me
Susan
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Cloudraker
Mountain climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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The drones have been appearing regularly over West Cliff and Pleasure Point in Santa Cruz getting the surfing action.
I seem to be the only person in the water who gives them the 1 finger salute.
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Mateo Pee Pee
Trad climber
Ivory Tower PDX
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My apologies to Ed to whom I sent a personal email regarding this topic. My intent was not to criticize his observations and exceptional contributions to the forum but to try to focus the thread on the issue at hand.
I do not disagree with Ed and and others regarding the issues of garbage trucks, cars, motorcycles, telescopes and the lack of privacy, and the designation and mismanagement of wilderness areas. I also have to admit I enjoyed Cragman’s comment about Werner that begs the question, do we assume that Werner is an automated drone or he is manned? I would expect considerable debate on this issue.
Kidding aside, my point is that the other issues (except the Werner case) are “red herrings” that intentionally or otherwise mislead or distract from the current and pending use use of UAs in Yosemite and elsewhere. Few if any of us believe there should be a blatant dismissal of these other issues.
For my part, I remain curious if UAs are an issue of concern among climbers - an assumption that appears to borne out by the majority of responses posted in this thread. The personal experiences some have shared are especially relevant because, in my experience at least, these are not often discussed among climbers. Consequently it is significant in my mind that we learn more about the use of UAs in climbing areas.
The real questions I think are important are: 1) do climbers think UAs should be regulated in climbing areas regardless of the official designation of the climbing areas (e.g., National Parks, State Parks, BLM, USFS, private), 2) is this issue sufficiently significant to merit a policy statement by the AAC and other high profile climbing organizations to both the FCC and land management agencies, and 3) are climbers willing to report the illegal use of these devices?
Add to that I would be curious to hear Werner’s view of non-SOAR applications of UAs especially during rescue operations or when soloing.
Again, my apologies Ed.
Keith Hadley
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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I can take a purest side sometimes when it comes to My Wilderness: keep your drills, drones and colorful tights and tents, amplified music, electronic gadgets, and whatnot in your famous “gear garage” or closet. Post your “proud” pictures here. I don’t care about them and don’t want to hear or see them when I'm out there. Slings and your other litter need to be hauled off the mountain with all your other trash; leave it and that is what you are: Wilderness trash. A few hand dilled bolts is one thing; but, riveting our National Parks and Wilderness (Capital “W”) with thousands of them is public dumping and a desecration. Taking a sh*t in or on the steps of our nation’s capital would be the same.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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Can't these drone flyers (deuce4 excepted of course) just use satellites like normal poeple?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Should have used a kite.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Chaz, that takes skill, intelligence, and patience - virtues in short supply these days.
Whoever would buzz Bighorns with one of those damn things also doesn't give a sh!t.
BOOK 'EM DANO!
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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TheReverendPaganMonkeyBoy had a quad copter at sushifest. it was about 2.5" across. a challenge to fly in the wind. I think it killed a mosquito.
Neat toys Deuce. you and Tom need to communicate.
These things are just like everything else that's new and different. there are places they shouldn't be used and there are times when using them is incredibly annoying. or maybe like everything else they single the end of the world until something better comes along...
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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It occured to me the other day that there will shortly be a great anti-drone market after a big surge in the drone market.
Various forms or rocket power, smart seekers, etc. A bow and arrow could be effective if you're any good at that sort of thing.
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bpope
climber
Sunnyvale, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 5, 2014 - 11:31pm PT
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nice kite photos! I wonder if RC 'copters are legal if you tie a long string to them...
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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May 10, 2014 - 12:13am PT
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Drone?
I've never heard of a hobby jet drone. Hobby jet planes, sure, but since when are they drones?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 10, 2014 - 04:56pm PT
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Ah, but clones are most welcome......stupid american clones are there in abundance...ask Werner.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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May 11, 2014 - 12:57am PT
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In the speech, which has been posted to YouTube, Williams said that the aircraft was a small, fixed-wing airplane with “a camouflage paint job.”
It's a hobby RC craft unless they got something else.
They want it to be a mean ole drone so they can get TSA funding up.imagine a lithium battery going into an engine
Imagine a bird going into an engine.
Oh, wait. You don't have to imagine that. Birds sent a jet into the Hudson River.
The only drones that have brought anything down are ones piloted by the Government.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 11, 2014 - 02:10am PT
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Birds brought down a B-1 bomber. Ooops!
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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May 12, 2014 - 11:05am PT
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Apparently still legal at the beach. Will it revolutionize surf recordings and sand sculpting?
If it quacks like a duck, it's a parrot.
No pricing that I've seen. The old model is $300.
Excellent for surveiling rogue cops and/or militia.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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May 12, 2014 - 12:09pm PT
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It's easier to see here, but it's interesting to read some of the comments on the first link. Looks like the flyer wasn't local. You know how surfers are. They'll steal your wallet if drown at the beach, but they're very modest when it comes to taking off wetsuits.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 12, 2014 - 12:33pm PT
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I wish I still had the arm I did in my pitching days.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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May 12, 2014 - 01:18pm PT
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^You can still spit can't ya?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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May 12, 2014 - 01:23pm PT
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That was a hell of a throw for someone seated on his butt.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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May 12, 2014 - 03:42pm PT
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Yeah, but Chaz, could he spit that far? I heard that Reilly can.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 12, 2014 - 05:10pm PT
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Yer right, z, but I save my spittle for sport climbers. That dood in the vid didn't
pick his rock well enough plus he shouldn't have thrown the two seamer -
I'd have thrown the change.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 19, 2014 - 12:15am PT
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Your own ears should be able to detect one within fifty yards.
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Stewart Johnson
climber
lake forest
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Jun 20, 2014 - 01:36pm PT
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Ban loud garbage trucks
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jan 13, 2015 - 02:27pm PT
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Soul flying ain't going anywhere dingus...it's the right of the free man to enjoy what he is capable of doing, free from the oppressive characteristics of even public opinion...you harbor hate and misunderstanding in the image of only the most ignorant of minds..I would of thought someone such as yourself, from this tribe, would know better..
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jan 13, 2015 - 09:53pm PT
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I think you're just afraid someone is gonna catch you out there naked free soloing..
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 13, 2015 - 10:14pm PT
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And then?
The drone does a spiral, causing a fall;
The tape then goes viral, launching recall
Of most drones.
Right up there with snowmobiles, in my book.
Yuck 'em.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jan 13, 2015 - 10:20pm PT
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Maybe you'll like this one, just give it a chance dingus, come on? lots of people liked this one, maybe you'll get it..
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ß Î Ř T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Jan 13, 2015 - 10:34pm PT
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In the last few months of a lame duck democratic presidency - just let the people do whatever they want.
God knows they have suffered enough already.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jan 14, 2015 - 07:41am PT
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The Reverend Pagan Monkey Boy and I are not going to stop until our Armada reaches 100,000 strong.
And I prefer to call them AVPP's (Aerial Videography and Photography Platforms).
The latest one I'm building will have an IR camera and be targeted for us in SAR missions.
really wanted to get one in the air for the overhead shot of this scene last week
and then there is the porta-quad Deucey designed. Recon mission for when he returns to the Karakorum. Will make ice fall navigation go much quicker.
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son of stan
Boulder climber
San Jose CA
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Jan 14, 2015 - 08:29am PT
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Want a drone that could drag the rope up and clip bolted belay stations so I could free climb the pitch without the annoying possibility of death
and it would remain silent and not try to talk me through the tricky moves.
Oh and maybe YNP will buy a drone for rescues, to assess situations with
live audio and video and possibly deliver emergency medical supplies for a fraction of the cost of helo's.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jan 14, 2015 - 09:09am PT
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Sushi Delivery Method
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 14, 2015 - 10:52am PT
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My people in Chicago say yer drones are gonna sleep with the fishes.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Jan 26, 2015 - 06:04pm PT
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Ban loud garbage trucks
You mean that's not part of what they are trying to do in Yosemite?
Coulda fooled me. They are pretty good at it.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Jan 26, 2015 - 06:33pm PT
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Loud ass motorcycles you can hear from the top of half dome
are allowed in but an electric drone you can't hear from a hundred feet away
make our officials stamp their feet in outrage.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jan 26, 2015 - 07:13pm PT
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I thought climbing videos were about as boring as boring gets, then I watched Squishy's drone videos. As bad as the videos are, the f*#king music is worse.
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Highdesertman
Trad climber
jtree ca
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Jan 26, 2015 - 07:33pm PT
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I got droned in Joshua tree a few months ago. A friend was cleaning the flue while I belayed on the ground. It was very peaceful there when suddenly a lawn mower with a camera was hovering very close by and filming us!
It sounded just like a lawn mower! So just by instinct while keeping my friend on belay the middle finger went up and bad words were flung to the sky especially when I saw the owner over at a campsite thru the valley back there.I would have instantly thrown rocks if not for belaying so drones beware I'll be ready next time!
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jan 27, 2015 - 05:42am PT
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Drones, Google glass, surveillance cameras everywhere, it's enough to make a guy want to move to Wonder Valley!
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Bad Climber
climber
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Jan 27, 2015 - 06:21am PT
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Yeah, kind of a wonder anyone lives in Wonder Valley. Pedaled through there a couple of weeks ago.
Re. drones: I had my first encounter with one last fall at the Alabama Hills--totally annoying. It freaked out our dog, too. The footage folks can get is cool, but these things could become a serious problem if they get popular. I think banning in the parks is a good idea, but I'm with others who'd like to see the same with the damn Harleys! Definitely worse than drones. I was once driving to the REI in Reno, and some doughy middle-aged accountant type pulls up on a fu*king loud! Harley right next to me. I mean the windows were shaking. And the accountant? Big ass earplugs jammed into his delicate little ears. What an ass. He can't handle the noise but figures everyone else is just fine with it.
I'm mostly libertarian in my political leanings, but when it comes to keeping the peace and quiet, I'm pretty much straight up Nazi. Grrrr.....
BAd
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Sula
Trad climber
Pennsylvania
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Jan 27, 2015 - 11:06am PT
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Want a drone that could drag the rope up and clip bolted belay stations so I could free climb the pitch without the annoying possibility of death Yes - though we should soon be able to do much better.
Drone definitely clips the next belay station for you. It then hovers nearby, projecting beta on its screen, and designating the holds you should be using with a laser pointer (saves on chalk). If it likes the way you've climbed the pitch, you're rewarded with a beer (quality determined by the finer details of your style and speed); if not, you may receive water, or possibly a recommendation (with guidance) for a rappel bail.
Advanced models handle the logistics of access, carrying in your gear (and possibly, your girlfriend). Hauling is obviously a thing of the past. Sushi dinners (with hot sake) on the wall become normal.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 27, 2015 - 11:09am PT
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I see a big uptick in argentine bolas sales. Those would be the ticket as
you wouldn't have to be Clayton Kershaw to bring one down.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jan 27, 2015 - 12:36pm PT
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Someday you drone-tards are going to wake the f*#k up. Just wait till one of your brethren accidentally brings down an airliner or uses one to terrorize the populace. Won't that be f*#king fun!?
what are you talking about? brethren? there are idiots in every activity on the planet. And like you, DMT, when it comes to climbing you try to do the right thing as well as pass that knowledge along. Same goes in this industry. But dang there are a lot of stupid people out there. Best I can do is lead by example. Though I'm also part of a group that is working with the state legislators here in CO on drafting and implementing workable laws.
and the drone at the White House was flown by staffer. I think it was Biden.
Highdesertman - that's simply not cool and that pilot deserved to get throttled.
Vedauwoo last weekend:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Jan 27, 2015 - 05:03pm PT
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HD quality euro drone flying thru forests and over construction zones and an electric mountain biker.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Feb 17, 2015 - 09:55am PT
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Pretty easy to make a frequency jammer. It's just a bad transmitter.
Meanwhile, there is this method.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Feb 17, 2015 - 10:06am PT
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drone are so destructive and dangerous, I can't believe the FAA is going to let us continue flying
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Mar 10, 2015 - 08:30am PT
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Pagan and I will be insured and operating commercially within two months. FAA is doing the right thing in regards to commercial operation. Not sure what they'll do with the other 99% of the population - many being complete idiot d#@&%ebags.
Had some of my footage from the weekend published on The Dodo yesterday:
http://www.thedodo.com/boulder-film-fest-seaworld-1031805635.html
Commercial airlines will need to be equipped with 2.4Ghz, 1.3Ghz and UHF scramblers to knock that sh#t out of the sky. That f*#ktard that flew the Turkey airport deserves lots of jail time.
nice vids squishy! What wing is that?
Sushi dinners (with hot sake) on the wall become normal. you are stealing my idea. Cuz HEY! I'm the sushi guy around here.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Mar 10, 2015 - 09:24am PT
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All the wings are prototypes, we hope to bring a bunch of stuff to market that we have been testing and designing for some time now. The team is headed off to the drone races too, so wish us luck.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Mar 10, 2015 - 10:13am PT
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Does it hurt when you hit somebody with one of those things?
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Mar 10, 2015 - 10:24am PT
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Some nice footage of Elfin Forest where Debbie works as a docent and part-time Ranger.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Mar 10, 2015 - 10:55am PT
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good luck in the race, squishy.
PM me your details at some point. We're interested in adding wings to the fleet.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Mar 25, 2015 - 12:09pm PT
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lol.../point ^
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Mar 25, 2015 - 01:57pm PT
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New one on the way. Lifts a gallon of water. Will be equipped with a dSLR and gimbal.
five weeks and we launch the biz.
I couldn't wait for squishy and his proto's. Have an FX-61 on the way for surveying work and saving sharks/elephants, etc.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Mar 25, 2015 - 02:42pm PT
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I've built a few of those Tarots for clients, nice ships...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 25, 2015 - 02:44pm PT
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I remember Drone from Camp 4 in the 70's.....you say he has been banned. Seemed like a nice, mellow guy to me.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Mar 25, 2015 - 02:51pm PT
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yeah, this is a custom 680 (more like an 800) that a friend in washington built. he needs cash and we need a heavy lifter. yanking the Naza and putting a Pixy on it.
how was the racing?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Mar 25, 2015 - 05:00pm PT
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....buuuuttt... we'll still kill brown people with them across the world everyday....
That's ok.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Mar 25, 2015 - 08:01pm PT
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Drones rock!
I need to buy one.
I'll keep saving...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 25, 2015 - 08:09pm PT
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Wonder if we could rig one to dump a gallon of phosphoric acid on the head of a tagger?
I'd pay to see that video.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Apr 17, 2015 - 03:00pm PT
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the racing was great, just got two more little racing quads, and we are also starting up fixed wing races soon...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Apr 17, 2015 - 05:17pm PT
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Real estate agents have virtually no learning curve for drones aiding property sales.
For a typical single family home they must only use 15 seconds to fly around the house once then a 360 rotation to show the surrounding location.
Nothing more is needed. The drone is done. Putting more in will f the sale. Its into the home with a steady cam where the buyer will live.
Drone launches from fishing boat to watch a motor yacht burn.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Apr 17, 2015 - 09:58pm PT
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How about use for mountain rescue? Drop off some rain gear to people pinned down in a storm? (maybe can't fly in a storm/ ... hmmm). or drop off a long spool of Kevlar cord that could be lowered to ground and used to pull up a rap line. Or just searching terrain for the lost. I bet Werner would have a blast learning all the tech stuff involved. :)
Of course this is taking the 'wilderness' out of adventure... but that is what climbing in the valley has been for quite a while ... at least since the 1972 rescue on the nose.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Apr 17, 2015 - 11:04pm PT
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What if your buddies are on a wall and NO matches!
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Carson City, NV
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Apr 17, 2015 - 11:25pm PT
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I love the footage they get, fun stuff, but being buzzed by one was no fun at all.
I heard it from a ways off and thought a swarm of bees was on the move, in my direction. Freaked me right out. Kept looking for the swarm so I knew which way to run like hell. The adrenaline was pumping big time, I was almost ready to sh#t myself, then I saw it. I wanted to huck a log at it.
I tried laughing it off, but man, adrenaline and I don't really get along. Felt fairly sick later that day.
Please, no Quad copters in the wilderness!
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Mike from Phoenix.
rockermike - I plan to equip one with a FLIR for SAR use. as soon as i dig up a cool $8K or somesuch...
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Sula
Trad climber
Pennsylvania
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How about use for mountain rescue? Drop off some rain gear to people pinned down in a storm? Maybe (at first) just use them for reconnaissance - to figure exactly out where a problem is happening, how serious, what help is called for, etc. Could give rapid response at a much lower cost - thus saving resources for where they are really needed.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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In our old neighborhood we had a case of a pedaphile using a drone to follow kids around the neighborhood and scoping out their homes. Just like any technology, it can be abused.
If one was buzzing my house, it would likely become permanently grounded.
IMHO asside from search and rescue or low impact wildlife studies they have no place in Yosemite or any wilderness area.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Gary - thanks for that first video - was wondering what the follow up on that incident was. She was completely psycho and she's been suffering since. But I don't fell sorry for her one bit. I'm very impressed with that young man in the way he handled the entire situation. The second video is BS. The guy with the gun set the whole thing up.
Paul - I agree 100%. No flying in NPs and no flying (or drilling with an electric drill) in wilderness areas. Though I would add there are a few other uses for UAS's in wilderness areas or parks. Flying over fires looking for hotspots with a FLIR would be one. I could go on but I'm sure you'd agree with me on my points.
And yes DMT destroying someones equipment and assaulting them is the answer. Go for it I guess - especially if you like police officer visits and court dates.
Birds Eye View of SushiFest:
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Sounds like a real good way to get extremely accurate jpegs of climbing formations to draw route lines over with a graphics program. Excellent tool for creating highly accurate climbing guidebooks, especially where formations are hidden by foliage when viewed from the ground.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Nature,
I'm not against the technology. A year or so back we had a presentation at work about the industrial use of drones for remote inspection work. For inspecting radio towers, pipeline right aways etc I see the technology has being safer than sending out climbers or pilots as well as providing a more thorough inspection with full video of a structure vs. a few still photos or a written report.
On the flip side, when I'm out in nature I don't even like coming across groups of people that running their gums on trails let alone being buzzed by a drone. Couldn't imagine being on a wall or alpine route and being buzzed. After putting all the effort into getting away from all that stuff and then being buzzed, my mellow would be seriously harshed.
Hmm, wonder how one of these would fit in a pig?
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Nature I got your APM email...Sorry I cannot help much because I do not use any auto or stabilization on my wing, lol...and check out our newest design...this is nothing but two servos and a camera..
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Paul, yeah I get that. I think we're both in complete agreement. Lot's of great applications for this technology. And very well paying jobs. Propane leak inspection work is fetching $850/hour.
thanks squishy... no worries. I need the autopilot for a variety of reasons. the first is my lack of ability to fly a fixed wing in manual and the second to do mapping projects.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jun 11, 2015 - 06:58am PT
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Doesn't the 2nd Amendment give us the right to bear drones?
For ten years or more the USA has used drones to take out terrorists. What does this teach the terrorists?
Looking forward to the "Drone Wars"
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 11, 2015 - 08:13am PT
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Looking forward to the "Drone Wars
Not nearly as much as I am. I'll be ordering Tolman's quiver, trust me.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 11, 2015 - 09:24am PT
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"The FAA is still developing regulations to make that happen, a process that is expected to take years."
Years? WTF?
What's wrong with simply adopting the FAA "kite rules" for drones?
You can fly a kite anywhere you want, as long as the kite stays under 500' and five miles from an airport.
( I fudge on the five mile rule sometimes. Nobody really cares unless you're within a mile or two, and your kite is in their pattern. )
Squishy? Nature? Could you live with flying under 500' five miles from airports? Or would that ruin what you're doin'?
Seems like the FAA could just cross out "kite" and write "drone", and be done with.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 11, 2015 - 09:28am PT
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Chaz, you know that's way too simple and sensible.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Jun 11, 2015 - 09:58am PT
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Doesn't the 2nd Amendment give us the right to bear drones?
But, not the right to drone bears.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 17, 2015 - 05:11pm PT
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I just coughed up a huge chunk of change to get our 333 exemption done. Talking to the lawyers tomorrow. We will be legal to operate commercially in the next three months.
Chaz/Reilly - those rules already exist and have for 40+ years. no flying within 5 miles of airports (actually varies on the airports) and no flying over 400'. Our 333 exemption will limit us to under 200' and not within 500' of people not associated with the mission.
Although in regards to flying around airports if it is necessary it's simply a matter of radioing the tower and notifying them of the mission, timing, location etc. It's not a request - it's a statement. And with the 333 we will notify using our assigned N number (same N number as manned vehicles).
Here's the rules we follow:
FAA guideline compliance
Pre and Post Flight Inspections
Regular Flight Log and Telemetry Reviews
Proactive Flight Path Briefings
Constant Telemetry and state of the art controller systems
Dedicated Camera Operators and Spotters for additional pilot support
Constant Flight and Safety Testing
Certified, Experienced, and Insured Pilots
Standardized Fleet components
Specifically our safety guidelines are:
Our vehicles are less than 25 kg AGW
We fly only visual line-of-site (VLOS) missions (operator or observer)
At no time are our vehicles operated over persons not directly involved in the mission
We operate only during daylight hours
We grant right-of-way to all other aircraft (manned or unmanned)
Vehicles fly at no greater than a maximum speed of 100mph
Vehicles stay below 500 feet above ground level (AGL) - changing to 200' once 333 is granted
We never operate in Class A airspace
We notify ATC when operating in Class B, C, D and E airspaces
Oh... and the guy that swatted the drone out of the air with his shirt is facing felony destruction of property charges. The pilot has agreed to not press charges if he coughs up $1500 to cover damages. The fat drunk dude doesn't look like he has that kind of cash so a court date is likely in his future.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 17, 2015 - 06:29pm PT
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Nature, if only everybody was as rational and responsible as you. Fly on, butterfly!
BTW, if you need the gravitas of a high timer on yer rolls I'm yer buttercup! ;-)
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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Jun 18, 2015 - 07:37am PT
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You can fly a kite anywhere you want, as long as the kite stays under 500' and five miles from an airport.
( I fudge on the five mile rule sometimes. Nobody really cares unless you're within a mile or two, and your kite is in their pattern. )
No, you can't fly a kite, or a drone, or a plane anywhere you want under 500'. If you're under 500' over someone else's property, you are trespassing.
Your property extends from the surface to the center of the Earth, and upwards to infinity. 500' is where the public easement for aviation starts.
Just picking nits!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 18, 2015 - 07:42am PT
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500' is where the public easement for aviation starts
Tell that to the myriad helo jocks over my house who think no hour is too late and that 500' is too high to fly.
BTW, fixed wingers are enjoined from flying within 1000' of you, yer loved ones, or yer house,
and that 1000' is in any direction.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 18, 2015 - 08:52am PT
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Your property extends from the surface to the center of the Earth, and upwards to infinity. 500' is where the public easement for aviation starts.
False - but maybe you are trolling like DMT
Reilly - thanks. It's not commercial operations that anyone needs to worry about. The thing is there are f*#ktards in every walk of life. To think this technology is bringing those guys out of the wood work is just paranoid delusion.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 18, 2015 - 09:06am PT
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The guy was doing a filming project on public property which he has ever right to do. It's the dude with the shirt that knocked it out of the air that's going to jail.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 18, 2015 - 09:23am PT
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yeah... good luck with that. Get use to it. It isn't going anywhere.
On another note this may very well be our first IR camera:
http://flir.com/cores/display/?id=69414
Pagan was doing some test flights at one of the ski resorts and ended up in a conversation with the ski lift maintenance guys and they pointed out IR could be use to detect failing wheels on ski lifts. A day later he met a guy that works for the Utah Dept. of Roads (or whatever they actually call it). We'll have a meeting with the guys sup to show the technology and how it can be used to make people safer (avalanche inspection / hill slope inspection).
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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Jun 18, 2015 - 10:42am PT
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False - but maybe you are trolling like DMT
No troll. Generally 500' is where the public aviation easement starts. You still own that air space in fee. No different than at your house, where you own to the centerline of the street.
When they are weaponized, you will see quite different reaction from our fellow citizens.
I hope you are wrong.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 18, 2015 - 01:53pm PT
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Gary - I guess the idea of owning to the core of the earth made me wonder. So I did some digging.
1) correct - 500' is where public easement begins.
One thing I found was this ruling:
In 1946 the Supreme Court acknowledged that the air had become a “public highway,” but a landowner still had dominion over “at least as much of the space above the ground as he can occupy or use in connection with the land.
that's from the same case I posted above in the graphic
Beyond the occupiable land it appears to be a bit of a grey area.
This from a WSJ article
The FAA says the advent of drones has extended “navigable airspace”—and thus the FAA’s authority—down to the ground. As long as private drones don’t endanger people, the agency says, they can legally hover just above private property in the U.S. The agency added that many states and cities have “noise and nuisance” laws they can use to prosecute drone users who fly over private property.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Jun 18, 2015 - 02:03pm PT
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Pest control services should jump on this and offer drone eradication.
The Russians claim to be working on a drone killer microwave gun. Just guessing but that sounds like a battery connected to some super capacitors, a coil, and a microwave oven magnetron with a directional antenna.
http://www.popsci.com/russia-working-anti-drone-microwave-gun
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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Jun 18, 2015 - 02:50pm PT
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F*#k those people and their goddamned toys. Should be hard time Federal offense to be caught flying anywhere near commercial aircraft, and all these machines should be required to have a transponder and unique code to be built in so they can be tracked.
Careful their Dingus, you know how the taco gets when someone suggests that people register and track their toys 😡😤
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 18, 2015 - 03:15pm PT
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That's outrageous.
I agree. That has to get figured out. But I believe they use that as a starting point.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 18, 2015 - 03:43pm PT
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No problem there Dingus. Same here. Pagan and I really do hope we can lead by example. But at the same time I almost want to beat some of these dronedou chebags (set up a site to call them out I did) that do stupid sh#t like go near manned aircraft. But then that would not be the best example.
The thing is though I understand the concern I think there are a few things that are being way overblown. Certainly the privacy issue needs to be discussed but at the same time I don't know a single person that would even consider something like that yet everywhere I go everyone is freaking out about the issue. There is a disconnect to what people believe is happening and what is actually happening. And that bugs me because that's just as helpful as the f*#ktards that would enter airspace they should simply not be in.
Today I read a story that the FAA is saying they will have their regs out within a year. As soon as they do Amazon starts their delivery service. I'm not a big fan of their idea but if nothing else I'd imagine the idea of who owns air space and what the definition is of the extent of private property will get hashed out before that happens. I guess that is unless they plan to automate their vehicles to follow over roads.
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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Jun 18, 2015 - 05:36pm PT
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This from a WSJ article
The FAA says the advent of drones has extended “navigable airspace”—and thus the FAA’s authority—down to the ground. As long as private drones don’t endanger people, the agency says, they can legally hover just above private property in the U.S. The agency added that many states and cities have “noise and nuisance” laws they can use to prosecute drone users who fly over private property.
Do you have a link? I'd like to read the whole thing. It should be interesting to see how this works out in court. Being an easement over private property, I don't think the FAA has authority to change limits of that easement. But who knows.
Found this:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-issues-privacy-rules-for-government-drones-in-u-s-1424015402
Those safety requirements would limit commercial drone flights to below 500 feet, during daytime hours and within sight of the operator. Notably, the proposed rule would also ban flying commercial drones near airports or over people not involved in the drone’s flight.
This is proposed. I have a half-assed grasp on boundary law. Seems to me if you're flying under 500' over someones property, you're still trespassing.
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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Jun 19, 2015 - 11:23am PT
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Another definition of when a drone is trespassing:
“From a personal property aspect, when are your property rights being violated? An inch above your property? Yeah, you probably own that,” Geiger said. “Thirty feet above your property? We’re not sure. What counts as reasonable as more and more UAS fill the sky – in tens and hundreds of thousands, which is what we predict in the coming decades - what counts as reasonable will probably shrink.”
Massie had his own suggestion: “Maybe the floor is the range of a 12-gauge with number six shot in it.”
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/17/congress-drones-nightmare-scenario-for-civil-liberties
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 19, 2015 - 01:37pm PT
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I try to stay away from such topics but here is my two cents, unless they are being used for search and rescue purposes, I hate the goddamn things.
I do not want my privacy invaded by some gurrier/voyeur who thinks they have the right to invade the space above me.
And I do not want to go into the "but governments do it" crap. Of course they do, right or wrong. But every Tom, DICK and Harry? Nope, I do not buy that. Go play with your toys over your own space, not my space or the public's space.
My 2˘.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 19, 2015 - 01:50pm PT
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And as I recall, guns can't shoot the little bastards down. But lasers, the same lasers that sickos use to disable airline pilots or sports players on a field. Another tricky can of worms there.
Technology always seems to outpace human 'intelligence' and ethics. For better or for worse. It seems the latter many times.
Where do we begin, where do we stop?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 19, 2015 - 01:57pm PT
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"Don't strafe me, brah!"
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 19, 2015 - 01:59pm PT
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Observation, in journalism or any area, should take due diligence. (Let’s not kid ourselves on that one.)
If a drone can help catch a fugitive, or a lost person, all the better.
But for recreational purposes, where do the lines get crossed?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 19, 2015 - 02:19pm PT
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Just like smoking people have the right to do it as long as it's not in my face.
What's the difference between a google car filming a street for it's maps and a drone? I guess Google at least at some point fuzzed out everyone's faces. I wonder if they were forced to do that or did it on their own? It's a public space so you have the right to film there, but of course being a good person dictates you shouldn't invade anyone's privacy and purposefully film someone, but if they are in the background that's part of being in a public space, there's a long precedent for that otherwise you couldn't film anything in a public space without someone in the background suing you. The fat guy was an idiot unless they were purposefully filming him. I mean he is pretty sexy.
If someone flys over my property I guess the shotgun is out because I'd worry where the shot would land. So I would need some kind of water cannon. Or maybe one of those nets you shoot.
I remember years ago they had the Estes rockets with little cameras inside him. So this isn't really new, it just the proliferation is 1000+ fold when the tech becomes so cheap and easy.
But I wouldn't worry about 500 of them attacking commercial airliners. You'd need 500 lunatic fringe a-holes in America. And we don't have that many. There's so many ways one person or a handful of people could cause way more destruction than that with much simpler technology. The fact that that doesn't happen show how few lunatic idiots who are willing to do something there really are.
Add: I guess I can get No.9 shot in shotgun shells which only travels a few hundred feet. Perfect for taking out tresspassing drones.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Jun 19, 2015 - 02:28pm PT
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Google got some grief in the UK for fuzzing out pictures of the queen
which are all over. On signs and buildings.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jun 20, 2015 - 12:20am PT
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This subject could "drone" on, couldn't it.
I know, another PPP (Patrick's Pathetic Puns).
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 20, 2015 - 11:31am PT
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I wonder if they were forced to do that or did it on their own?
Without a model release they are "forced" to do that.
I'm ok with engaging in the type of discussion DMT is talking about. The possibilities are endless as to the ways these things could be nefariously. Although at the same time to pull off a plot like the one you describe (DMT) I'd have to say there's really no difference between that and say the Boston Marathon bombing. If people are going to try to do f*#ked up sh#t then they are going to try to do f*#ked up sh#t. This technology has not made that any easier. And what I mean by that is a plot to kill is a plot is a plot is a plot.
The discussion I won't engage in is the privacy issue. It's so overblown it's ridiculous. This technology isn't giving the pervs any advantage. They are better off with a telephoto lens from across the street than a loud lawnmower in the air with a wide angle lens.
If you got your panties in a twist for real reasons I'll engage. if they are in a twist for no reason then I'll pass.
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landcruiserbob
Trad climber
PUAKO, BIG ISLAND Kohala Coast
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Jun 20, 2015 - 11:50am PT
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I hate drones, every time we have good surf I have one of those fu$ker$ flyin over. Almost as bad as the go pro punks; whatever happened to just having fun and without the need to document it???
Aloha and be well
Rg
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 25, 2015 - 05:49pm PT
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Hahaha
Ho Mannnn
A pissed off DMT .......
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Jun 25, 2015 - 06:54pm PT
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DMtoast - totally agree. Them fragile little CDF air tankers
can be knocked downed by a hummingbird.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 13, 2015 - 03:03pm PT
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They had to stop air ops AGAIN at a fire in SoCal today due to a drone.
This is really getting old. I wonder if any of our genius legislators
or congresspeople are hearing or seeing this. Prolly not as their
reception is quite poor with their heads up their azzes.
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Maeday
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Jul 13, 2015 - 06:31pm PT
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pretty cool videos... is that what it looks like if you are a base jumper?
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Jul 13, 2015 - 07:57pm PT
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Those f*#king things are going to become a plague and people will have to start shooting them down.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jul 13, 2015 - 08:09pm PT
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I can see it now: drone manufacturers selling anti-drone attachments to flying tanker planes...
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