Is There a Humane Way to Kill?

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zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 30, 2014 - 09:51pm PT
Oklahoma's botched lethal injection marks new front in battle over executions


http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/30/us/oklahoma-botched-execution/Oklahoma's
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Apr 30, 2014 - 10:01pm PT
I had to dispatch a rattlesnake today.
It was under my neighbor's window. He's scared of any snake and really scared by a rattler. He'd dropped a shovel on its head from the window and when I got there the rattler was definitely the worse for wear. Alive and trying to hiss at me but clearly mortally wounded. So I dispatched him with said shovel. Didn't like doing it one bit. My wife was getting ready to call GotSnakes to take him away to a safe home.
But hey, isn't that the definition of Bleeding Heart Liberal?

oh, you meant capital punishment of humans. Totally cruel and inhumane. As if there's any way to kill a person against their will humanely.
Yesterday's prolonged murder by state in Oklahoma was brutal. It might just finally change attitudes in the US Supreme Court.
WBraun

climber
Apr 30, 2014 - 10:04pm PT
Just throw them off the top of El Cap and they're toast in a few seconds .....
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Apr 30, 2014 - 10:07pm PT
toss 'em under the wheels of a speeding Amtrak train. Then you (Werner) won't have to pick up the pieces.
Or did you mean rattlesnakes?
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2014 - 10:09pm PT
Although I do not relish meeting up with them, I've never found it necessary to kill a rattlesnake and I run into a lot of them.

Did the guy in OK "deserve" to be killed humanely? I really wonder. Read up on what he did. Whoops, but then read what the state of OK did?

What's the difference?










rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Apr 30, 2014 - 10:09pm PT
The Bush love conspiracy killed millions...
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Apr 30, 2014 - 10:11pm PT
If there is no imminent threat then there is no justification for killing a person. If there is then evacuate if possible then contain and if there is no other choice then one does what one can as quickly and effectively as possible.

A man in a cell surrounded by armed guards is not generally a threat. To kill such a person is murder. There is no good way to kill them.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2014 - 10:11pm PT
That's a new one on me RJ. What is the Bush love conspiracy?
WBraun

climber
Apr 30, 2014 - 10:12pm PT
Rattlesnakes

I don't like killing sh!t so I avoid them. Can't hear them either.

What's wrong with a guillotine?

Very fast.

Americans can't stomach sh!t like that probably.

Yet they use them in all slaughterhouses.

Americans are hypocrites .....
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Apr 30, 2014 - 10:17pm PT
Since we are talking death penalty cases, I could care less. They get far more consideration then they gave their victims.

As far as I'm concerned, he died to quickly.

The death penalty is wrong only because it's based on "morality". The only reason for the death penalty is simple, WE DON'T NEED THESE PEOPLE.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Apr 30, 2014 - 10:18pm PT
zBrown...It's an epic tale by a local painting contractor that never wore a respirator when spraying laquer...He finally went off the deep end and traveled to Rome to meet the Pope...You had to be there...rj
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Apr 30, 2014 - 10:19pm PT
The logic of "we don't need these people" is very easily extended beyond our usual murderous ways. There are not many folks on this planet we "need".. this prevalent logic of those in power explains a great deal of the problems worldwide.

YER GUNNA DIE

Why should I give a sh#t?
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Apr 30, 2014 - 10:21pm PT
Well, they are not the ones doing the murdering, the raping, or the molesting.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Apr 30, 2014 - 10:22pm PT
Oh yes they are.. on a far larger scale than the average murderer on death row. Please see Iraq, Afghanistan, and insurance companies.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Apr 30, 2014 - 10:23pm PT
Bets on how long it takes this thread to reach 1000 posts.
My money is on 4 days.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Apr 30, 2014 - 10:23pm PT
I think that would be quite a few seconds Werner....
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Apr 30, 2014 - 10:24pm PT
Werner...Yeah but what if they survived the fall...? Then what...?
WBraun

climber
Apr 30, 2014 - 10:25pm PT
How about piranha.

Lower him into a piranha tank. :-)

When I was in Amazon the Indians did that to rapists.

Lowered them into the piranha infested river and the piranha ate them alive.

Almost no crime in the Amazon backwoods.

If you do crime back there you end up being eaten alive by piranha ......
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Apr 30, 2014 - 10:25pm PT
It's not complicated.. like slavery.. murder is wrong. State sponsored is in some ways worse than average murder. Many nations have figured this out long before the USA.. as usual.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Apr 30, 2014 - 10:27pm PT
Yeah but what if they survived the fall...? Then what...?

Then you say... " somethings wrong"
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