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clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
May 1, 2014 - 09:28am PT
Whatever the fix, that solution will be the unsustainable problem within a couple decades. The government, corporations, gangs, unions, the clergy, immigrants, Wall street speculators, college regents, social programs, landlords, political parties, insurance companies...will all eventually become toxic cultures.

Is there a red reset button? That would be Utopia.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 1, 2014 - 09:46am PT
“Republican or Democrat, this nation's affluent urban and suburban classes understand their bread is buttered on the corporate side. The primary difference between the two parties is that the Republicans pretty much admit that they grasp and even endorse some of the nastiest facts of life in America. Republicans honestly tell the world: "Listen in on my phone calls, piss-test me until I'm blind, kill and eat all of my neighbors right in front of my eyes, but show me the money! Let me escape with every cent I can kick out of the suckers, the taxpayers, and anybody else I can get a headlock on, legally or otherwise." Democrats, in contrast, seem content to catalog the GOP's outrages against the Republic, showing proper indignation while laughing at episodes of The Daily Show. But they stand behind the American brand: imperialism. They "support our troops," though you will be hard put to find any of them who have served alongside them or who would send one of their own kids off to lose an eye or an arm in Iraq. They play the imperial game, maintain their credit ratings, and plan to keep the beach house and the retirement investments if it means sacrificing every damned Lynndie England in West Virginia.”


― Joe Bageant, Deer Hunting with Jesus: Dispatches from America's Class War
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
May 1, 2014 - 09:47am PT
Yes its a religion as are most political extremes.

DMT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 1, 2014 - 10:27am PT
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WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) - A broad-based coalition of millionaires converged on Washington today to defeat a bill that would have increased the minimum wage for American workers to $10.10 an hour.

Leaving behind their mansions and yachts, the millionaires were motivated by what they saw as an existential threat to the country, Mitch McConnell, a spokesman for the millionaires, said.

“This was an extremely diverse coalition,” McConnell said, noting that everyone from the rich to the very rich to the super-rich united to vote down the bill.

McConnell hoped that today’s vote would burnish the millionaires’ reputation as “people who get things done.”

“Folks who have tried to pin a ‘do nothing’ label on us are dead wrong,” he said. “When it comes to stopping workers from being paid more, we spring into action.”
Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
May 1, 2014 - 10:52am PT
My brother, Fred has made many a painting addressing our desires for utopia culminating in dystopia. He has made many paintings using images of well known historical separatists - religious - transcendental ideologies , all having to live in the same town together.
He makes no distinction between Thoreau's and Ted Kasinsky's cabin, a Quaker enclave and Branch Davidian compound, etc.
Desert Bloom, Fred Tomaselli
Desert Bloom, Fred Tomaselli
Credit: Timid TopRope

The second painting has Biosphere II in it as well.....
New Jerusalem, Fred Tomaselli, lifted off the net.
New Jerusalem, Fred Tomaselli, lifted off the net.
Credit: Timid TopRope
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
May 1, 2014 - 11:16am PT
Is there a red reset button?

Yes the Big Red Reset button ever looms:


Same as it ever was.

DMT
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Oregon
May 1, 2014 - 11:18am PT
Malaria was a problem, then government solved it for us.


Bill Gates.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
May 1, 2014 - 11:29am PT
Fred Tomaselli is the best. I can't believe his brother hangs out with us low lifes.


So what's the problem here? More government over reach?

I have spent 53 spins around the sun, in many communities, states and countries.

The US government is by far the best governing body I've come across. Considering the scale of what they have to deal with, it's nothing short of miraculous.

Good ol' Abe the republican was right to give so much power to the fed.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 1, 2014 - 12:11pm PT
Building codes are an excellent example of how government takes a mandate to 'look after' us
and turns it into a self-serving bureaucracy which loses all semblance of common sense. Like
'the people' are really served by making me get a permit to build a fence? And I have yet to
actually see an inspector climb a ladder onto a roof to inspect the nailing as he or she is
supposed to. It is all about job security and a nice cushy pension.
Dave Davis

Social climber
Seattle, WA
May 1, 2014 - 10:39pm PT
Yeah Reilly I've seen a few drive-by inspections myself, but I have to say the quality of inspectors I've dealt with in the city Seattle is pretty high and most seem to be quite reasonable and competent people. I can't say that about some of the outlying areas. There are a few inspectors in Bellevue that are notorious power-freaks. I guess, like in anything, personalities can make a huge difference. Also most of the jobs I'm on rely on special inspectors for the bulk of inspections so the city isn't involved too much in the hands-on inspection process.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 1, 2014 - 11:39pm PT
Those that can do.

Those that can't, but know how, become teachers.

Those that can't and don't know how, become inspectors.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 2, 2014 - 12:19am PT
That is a contemptible thing to say TGT. Completely baseless in fact and just another run of the mill urban myth. You are just slandering about a half dozen of my friends and family with a broad bigoted brush. What are you some sort of idiot Atlas Shrugged Libytard?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 2, 2014 - 12:23am PT
Bruce, don't the exceptions prove the rule? I've met far more dickhead inspectors than decent sorts.
And I want to know why 'the people' pay for that crap. Seems to me the insurance industry
should foot the bill.
Dave Davis

Social climber
Seattle, WA
May 2, 2014 - 01:03am PT
Dickheads exist in all walks of life and being one is not a prerequisite to having any particular job. I've been on the project I'm on now for over two years and I've had a great relationship with the building inspectors and the special inspectors. The building envelope "consultants" and inspectors though seem like a superfluous new layer of nonsense. Maybe it's just the curmudgeon in me, but those guys really do seem to be winging it. None of those envelope inspectors seemed to be on the same page and it was difficult to ascertain what they wanted. I honestly believe they didn't know.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 2, 2014 - 01:04am PT
thats an interesting idea about having the insurance industry assuming responsibility, although it sounds suspiciously like Obamacare !

I'm not sure if its the inspectors role to be our buddy. It is an inherently adversarial / referee role, like taking certification tests or something. Technical competency is the benchmark not good manners. In fact about the only time I've ever seen the hint of a corrupted process is when the inspector would regularly drink with the boys in Tapley's. They are supposed to ride your ass.
Dave Davis

Social climber
Seattle, WA
May 2, 2014 - 01:32am PT
I think the inspectors role doesn't have to be adversarial. A good one realizes you are under scheduling pressures and will help facilitate your project in order to get it done properly. An inspector can still do his job while working with you. He's a public employee-you pay his salary. I'm not saying you've got to be buddies or anything. I'm just saying that I've dealt with enough screaming as#@&%es in this business(including myself )over the years that I've come to realize that a job can get done just fine without all of that.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 2, 2014 - 01:36am PT
Yes, adversarial is the wrong word and riding your ass isn't right either. However their role is ultimately as enforcer of standards. Their style shouldn't emphasize that but when push comes to shove as it will occasionally, thats where they are
BJ

climber
May 10, 2014 - 10:20am PT
I'm just saying that I've dealt with enough screaming as#@&%es in this business over the years that I've come to realize that a job can get done just fine without all of that.

Tell that to the guy I used to work for! We both know him.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
May 10, 2014 - 10:58am PT
Most of it is about liability...The engineer gets sued if things go wrong so they over-engineer..The inspector insures that the bozos with the hammer and cigarettes assemble the components properly to protect the building department from homeowner lawsuits...There's an excess of monkeys and a shortage of bowling balls...
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
May 10, 2014 - 11:07am PT
Utopia

U (privative) + topos (place) = no place.
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