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fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Apr 24, 2014 - 01:15pm PT
Get a good look at those pics and quotes while you can...

They'll be gone when he refills his scripts!
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Apr 24, 2014 - 01:21pm PT
Deer hunting

I like to use an AR-15 with hollow points

Some of em are right BIG fu ckers!
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Apr 24, 2014 - 01:30pm PT
Guns don't 'cause' people to kill themselves. Mental illness does. Sure is easy to follow in impulse when there's one handy, though. Is yours a 'nothing to be done' argument? I don't subscribe to those when the problem is this big.

Same applies to shooting your old lady during an argument. Sure is easier than breaking out the baseball bat.

I see no problem regulating non hunting guns like cars - nor does the Constitution. After all, nobody's telling you you can't have a car. Both are lethal machines that kill a lot of people. Seems like the state has a compelling interest to keep track of those machines, given that both operate in the public sphere.

You may have a right to bear arms - and I have a right not get shot by you, accidentally or otherwise. I also have a right not to be intimidated by some f*#king coo coo clock who feels the need to festoon themselves Rambo style in public. You don't get to drive your car through a public park or a bar. Seems like such time/place/manner restrictions are appropriate for guns, as well. Fortunately, our jurisprudence agrees, even if some of our dysfunctional politics do not.

Ie, you're not the only one who has to live here, pal.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Apr 24, 2014 - 01:32pm PT
If you've got five intruders, which you never will, keep 5 shotguns in the closet and STFU already,.

Or try being nicer to people.

Making all of society a shittier place because you're paranoid about the Latin Kings dropping by for coffee - well, who's problem is that, exactly?

I don't think its ours. Just a guess, there.

HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Apr 24, 2014 - 01:35pm PT
So take a look at the FBI chart the Chief referenced.
Don't cherry pick it. Hammers? 500 out of 12000+
4%
Give me a break.

Take the first two rows
Row 1: total number of murders
Row 2: total number of murders by firearm.
Take the quotient. Approx 2/3 of all murders in the period were by firearm.
Approx 2/3 of all murders in EACH year were by firearm.

Yes, the number of murders by firearm is diminishing.
Just as the total number murders is diminishing.

Any dimwit can see the correlation. Many nut cases can't.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Apr 24, 2014 - 01:37pm PT
Winning hearts and minds zero at a time.

Every once in a while I feel the need to engage in a truly pointless debate with some truly malevolent people.

Good for the humility. And its nice to take an tour of Planet Ugly once in a while. Helps me appreciate where I live more, even if the weather doesn't.

Plus, who doesn't like seeing their name in uppercase bold italic large font?

If only...if only...keyboards could yell.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Apr 24, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
This debate isn't about shotguns - it never was, and everyone on both sides knows it. It's not about you Dad's 30 30 or Colt 44 cap n ball, either.

It's about regulating handguns and rifles with high capacity magazines. You know, the toys one can kill a whole lot of people in a few minutes with.

Not that that ever happens or anything.

Alcohol is heavily regulated in WA - and every other state, BTW. So there's that. And drunk driving has been in rapid decline for decades - thanks to more stringent laws and regulation.

I always appreciate when the opposition helps my position out - as they so often do.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Apr 24, 2014 - 01:52pm PT
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Apr 24, 2014 - 01:53pm PT
Killin it!

(NPI)
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Apr 24, 2014 - 02:04pm PT
This debate isn't really a debate at all. It's one big long commercial for the US arms industry - which knows that our failed foreign vacations are ending. Given that the country can no longer make payments on history's most bloated and expensive military, who's gonna buy all these cool new guns (civilian versions, of course) to keep sales up?

Yes, its about a minority of Americans who don't give a sh#t about self defense, really - they just love the toys. Many have been in the military (see paragraph 1), thanks to some of America's most truly stupid projects, so they've tasted the wares.

It's about a minority who places keeping their toys above the well being of the rest of us.

There should be no high capacity magazines available to any civilian here. Oh yeah, they're fun - I've shot em, but the cost (how many mass shootings per year are we up to now)? is, well, doesn't matter, cuz...

I F*#KING LOVE SHOOTING THIS THING!

That last sentence IS this entire debate. Well, if you add I F*#KING LOVE SELLING THESE THINGS! to the mix, anyway.

But hey, let's talk about the Constitution, shall we?

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 24, 2014 - 02:04pm PT
The only reason that traffic related deaths are dropping is that you can't
go fast enough to kill anyone any more because of the traffic.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Apr 24, 2014 - 02:05pm PT



Tvash

climber
Seattle
Apr 24, 2014 - 02:12pm PT
The biggest danger of Seattle traffic is shooting yourself.

Plus, I just noticed my car has 11 air bags. Yes, they've gone to 11.

Jaysus, you could drop that f*#k on Mars and drive it away if you wanted to.

Had to replace an airbag once. 4K bucks. So my airbags must be worth about 3 times the sticker price.

I should just part that action out on Ebay right now and buy a better car.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 24, 2014 - 02:28pm PT

What You Should Know:


•When you arrive at probate court, you'll need an official form of identification, your payment and a self-addressed, stamped envelope. Submit your application at the court along with your fingerprints. Within five days, a county probate judge will request a criminal history records check and a background check on you. About 30 days later, law enforcement will finish its background check and determine whether you can receive a license.
•County probate judges may restrict state residents with criminal records from getting licenses. Read more about these restrictions.
•If you've been in a mental hospital or drug treatment center within the last five years, you must ask that your county probate court judge approve your license application. The judge will seek a recommendation from the superintendent of your hospital or treatment center, and then determine whether it's safe for you to carry a gun.



FAQs:







How much does a license cost?




While $75 is an average fee for licensing and fingerprinting, costs vary by county. Contact your local probate court for details.
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How long is my license valid, and when should I submit my license renewal?




Licenses are valid for five years. At least two months before your license expires, you should go to court to apply for renewal.
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What states does Georgia share firearms license reciprocity with?




Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and Wyoming all recognize Georgia-issued firearms licenses. You should acquaint yourself with firearms restrictions in those states when possible.

http://georgia.gov/popular-topic/applying-firearms-license

Georgia has no open carry without a valid CCL!

Let the hand wringing panty wetters carry on babbling.
mhay

climber
Bishop, CA
Apr 24, 2014 - 02:31pm PT
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Apr 24, 2014 - 02:34pm PT
The worlds top ten highest suicide rate nations have strict gun controls.

Too bad the gun control laws aren't more lax, someone might shoot you before you can shoot yourself!

Is there a point to comparing gun deaths to traffic fatalities? One of the most ridiculous arguments for less gun control I've ever heard. You people are reeeeealy reaching here.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Apr 24, 2014 - 02:49pm PT
There is a point.

Both are machines. Both operate in the public space. Both are potentially lethal. Both are subject to regulation to mitigate that public health issue. In the case of cars, regulation has been effective at doing just that.

In contrast, the very real public health and safety issue of gun deaths - as well as the very negative effects on our national well being of the threat of being shot, is worsening steadily over time.

Like the problem of drunk driving, public policy can be an effective tool to turn this worsening trend around.

Unlike cars, no civilian needs a gun with a high capacity magazine. They are essentially toys. Unlike most toys, however, they can and have been used - numerous times, to kill a lot of people in a short period of time. Banning them, as many nations (with far, far lower gun violence rates) have, carries the very same rationale as banning grenades, which are also very fun toys. After all, when the Latin Kings show up; on your front lawn, who wouldn't want greet them with an RPG? THATS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!

The argument is nonsense on its face.

If 5 armed guys show up at your place one night - they'll be wearing SWAT jackets. The Latin King thing is a f*#king myth - unless you're a rival gang member, that is.

In addition, we should far more heavily regulate dealer's licenses. A few bad apples are responsible for selling the lion's share of weapons later used in crimes. We don't because of our shitty politics., We should also shift our focus from peaceful mosques to right wing hate groups. Let's get real about who the real domestic threat is, here. Again, our right wing politics preclude going in that direction as far as we need to.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 24, 2014 - 02:56pm PT
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Tvash

climber
Seattle
Apr 24, 2014 - 03:49pm PT
Actually, the prohibition on private ownership of grenades has been quite successful.

Same principle applies to high capacity magazine weapons or any other non sport weapon deemed too dangerous by the voting public for private ownership.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Apr 24, 2014 - 03:59pm PT
Tvash
how are you going to protect your home and family without an AR15 and a couple of 20 round magazines?

Chief
I dunno why you need big magazines. You're such a good shot a plain ole six shooter ought to be all you need.
Unless you're afraid the Communist militia from San Francisco is coming after you. They WILL be armed and dangerous.
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