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Lissiehoya

climber
Saint Louis, MO
Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 11, 2014 - 11:56pm PT
Does anyone have news about this climber death? She's a friend of one of my good friends and I just heard from my friend that she died in JTree because the rock she was climbing on cracked. I was wondering if anyone knew anything about it.
bpope

Trad climber
Sunnyvale, CA
Apr 12, 2014 - 12:08am PT
I'm sorry for your loss.

Just doing a quick search, it seems that Adrianne was involved in an accident on 3/29:
http://www.hastac.org/blogs/cathy-davidson/2014/04/10/remembering-adrianne-wadewitz-scholar-communicator-teacher-leader

That accident was mentioned in this thread: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2376931&msg=2376931#msg2376931

Unfortunately, no further detail there.

Best wishes to you, and all of Adrianne's family and friends.

(Edit, fixed link)
jstan

climber
Apr 12, 2014 - 12:19am PT
News broke early this morning on Facebook that Wikipedian Adrianne Wadewitz died while rock climbing recently. Wadewitz was well known in the Wikimedia community for her activism drawing attention to the lack of female contributors on Wikipedia. She was also very involved in the Wiki Education Foundation, serving as a member of its board of directors.

Thursday 4/10/14

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikimedian_activist_Adrianne_Wadewitz_dies

So sorry for your loss.
Lissiehoya

climber
Saint Louis, MO
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 12, 2014 - 12:37am PT
Thanks for the thread link. I searched back a few pages here before I posted my initial question, but didn't see anything...
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Apr 12, 2014 - 03:51am PT
hey there, say, lissiehoya... very sorry for your loss... so good to know that someone has helped you find info...

your friend sure had many special things that she tried to do for others far beyond her corner of the world... (as to what jstan posted)...

she will be remembered, here, now, for that, as well...

god bless at this very sad hard time of your loss and condolences to you and her family and loved ones...

:(
Bad Climber

climber
Apr 12, 2014 - 09:01am PT
Damn, that is some sad, sad business. The video on that Wiki link shows a bright, wonderful person with so much to give. I regret that I will not get to meet her. And she was and English teacher! I resemble that.

Condolences.

BAd
Gunkswest

climber
Apr 12, 2014 - 11:37am PT
Earlier this week I was told the following about the Headstone and Cathouse accidents by a JTNP ranger:

Cathouse (03-29-2014)
A traditional anchor was built at the top of the Cathouse using three pieces of gear. The female victim started to rappel down the cliff face and one of the three anchor pieces pulled out. The victim stopped on a ledge and the male, who was still on top of the cliff, reincorporated the third (failed) piece back into the anchor. After being assured the anchor was now sound, the victim started to rappel again. The entire anchor then failed and the victim fell 15-20 feet, suffering fatal injuries.

Headstone (03-30-2014)
The Headstone accident involved top roping on the route Cryptic. The climber tied into the rope in the mid-section, not the end. The climber then did the route and was being lowered by the belayer. Apparently the belayer moved positions during the climb or the lower, thus making the overall distance longer than when the climber started climbing. There was no knot in the belay end of the rope and the rope ran through the belay device (a Grigri) as the climber was being lowered. The climber fell into the boulders at the base of the route after the rope went though the belay device.

The information provided above may not be 100% accurate and as such, should be used judiciously.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Apr 12, 2014 - 12:01pm PT
I am so very sorry for the loss of these two people. Having lost a loved one my heart is heavy for all their loved ones, families and friends.

Their passing reminds me again that today is the only one we really have. It is a blessing we need to make the most of, loving those around us, spreading forgiveness like thick jam on a piece of bread, giving a smile to someone we pass on the highway of life, picking up that piece of trash everyone walks by and above all giving praise to life. (and in my case the Creator.)

Peace and deepest wishes for healing and comfort to all involved in these two tragedies. Lynne
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 12, 2014 - 01:42pm PT
This is very sad. I was nearby and heard the ambulances.

Both people relied on the wrong partners (who I hope quit climbing).
Rudder

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Apr 12, 2014 - 08:02pm PT
Earlier this week I was told the following about the Headstone and Cathouse accidents by a JTNP ranger:

Cathouse (03-29-2014)
A traditional anchor was built at the top of the Cathouse using three pieces of gear. The female victim started to rappel down the cliff face and one of the three anchor pieces pulled out. The victim stopped on a ledge and the male, who was still on top of the cliff, reincorporated the third (failed) piece back into the anchor. After being assured the anchor was now sound, the victim started to rappel again. The entire anchor then failed and the victim fell 15-20 feet, suffering fatal injuries.

Headstone (03-30-2014)
The Headstone accident involved top roping on the route Cryptic. The climber tied into the rope in the mid-section, not the end. The climber then did the route and was being lowered by the belayer. Apparently the belayer moved positions during the climb or the lower, thus making the overall distance longer than when the climber started climbing. There was no knot in the belay end of the rope and the rope ran through the belay device (a Grigri) as the climber was being lowered. The climber fell into the boulders at the base of the route after the rope went though the belay device.

The information provided above may not be 100% accurate and as such, should be used judiciously.

Same day as that was happening, and we heard all the ambulances, I tried a couple of times to get a big time wall climber to move his anchor to a spot where it would hold and got nowhere with him. Two of his three pieces popped when he was lowering his wife. Obviously she could have easily been =another= fatality that weekend. Naturally we should all be vigilant, and also we should all know what it is we are doing. But, I tell ya' something more, when you see these types of anchors and practices, and you step up and get them on track, you don't know how many lives you saved. Probably quite a few.
telemon01

Trad climber
Montana
Apr 12, 2014 - 08:02pm PT

just to clarify, the climber who was injured at Headstone rock is still alive. We pulled into Ryan and got a site at about the time the rescue was called in. SAR showed up within 30 minutes of the accident, the ambulance a short time later. The ranger I talked to said it was a bad concussion.

The Cathouse accident happened the day before, and the ranger said it was a bad one. So sorry to hear she did not survive the fall.

Rudder

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Apr 12, 2014 - 08:03pm PT
This is very sad. I was nearby and heard the ambulances.

Both people relied on the wrong partners (who I hope quit climbing).

I hope so, too.
MisterE

climber
Apr 12, 2014 - 08:33pm PT
I can't imagine how hard it must be for the anchor guy to live with this for the rest of his life.

This is sad on all fronts - by all media I have seen about her, she was a force for learning and all that is good.

Condolences to all.
Daniel Hughes

Trad climber
Bronx, New York
Apr 16, 2014 - 03:41pm PT
I was in the Park that weekend and got the same information shared by Gunkswest. Both accidents happend on the same day. The SAR folks did their usual professional job. Wind conditions in Palm Springs prevented helicopter extraction. It took a while to lower the injured climber off the Headstone to a waiting ambulance. He was fortunate.

Back in NY my thoughts are with all involved.
RasVegas

Trad climber
Goodyear
Apr 16, 2014 - 06:41pm PT
Dang people...sad indeed. What a loss of such a wonderful person. I am so tired of getting these newsletters every month and seeing stories like this! I know our sport is inherently dangerous...but we can minimize bad mojo by being careful with everything you do out there.

Please be careful everybody!

Much love and sympathy to everyone who is effected by this tragedy!
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Apr 16, 2014 - 06:46pm PT
I just don't understand all these drops. Why the Fck don't belayers tie into the rope anymore?

Fer goodness sake, it is a figure 8 that takes 30 seconds to tie.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Apr 16, 2014 - 06:50pm PT
As for the Headstone incident on "Cryptic," why the hell would anyone tie into the middle of the rope to toprope?

I've done it plenty on short bolted routes. Scenario usually goes like this:

Route is led, leader lowers off.
The bolt line, which must be cleaned, is not in line with the lower-off (route traverses or is steep).
So second does not follow on same end leader led on, since it doesn't pass through the draws and is out of the bolt line.
Rather than haul 100' of rope through the device and/or anchor, just tie into the rope where it lays, which is somewhere in the middle and get on with it.

The only way this becomes a problem is if you attempt to lower them into a spot well below where the leader was lowered to, or where the second started from. This was the case in this accident. The starting point for the route is in a sort of boulder-spanned gully and if you didn't pay attention when lowering, could end up out past the gully where it drops about 20' lower past the base of the other side of the formation. I've belayed about where the person probably landed when a partner was working the Cutting Edge (the next arete) just around the corner. It'd be an ugly place to fall into. A narrow slot with pointy boulders and such.
Matt's

climber
Apr 16, 2014 - 07:00pm PT
3-piece anchor failed on rapell??? Wow

Did the rock feature break or flex? Was it a really bad anchor?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 16, 2014 - 07:09pm PT
A unique and dangerous feature of JTree geology is that almost all the rock on the tops of the formations, while stable, is just siting there by sheer inertia.

Even the car sized blocks could shift, (I've seen it happen) if you were unlucky enough to place cams and load them right where the leverage was enough to shift the block. And, we aren't talking small boulders, I mean small car size ones! Add to that that rotten rock is far more prevalent in horizontals that never see water erosion that cleans the vertical cracks to good rock.

Building anchors in horizontals under these perched blocks is common practice, but not really best practice when slinging them or using nuts would be better.


jstan

climber
Apr 16, 2014 - 07:41pm PT
Not
1. Putting a knot in the leader's end so the belay is retained
2. Pulling the rope through
3. Walking off the backside

must look really cool. Is it the crowd climbing that makes this necessary? Or does it come simply from the gyms?
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Apr 16, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
jstan-

This is a more or less recent issue. I think it does come from the gym. I would never belay without tying into the bottom end of the rope.
cornel

climber
Lake Tahoe, Nevada
Apr 17, 2014 - 11:58am PT
Always a sad thing to read about these accidents. Very sorry for those left behind. This sport is very unforgiving of ignorance. Peace to those left behind..
cornel

climber
Lake Tahoe, Nevada
Apr 17, 2014 - 12:30pm PT
Hopefully the majority of my fellow climbers understand this already but for those who don't. Please be aware that the study of accidents is important and can enhance ones longevity. Approx 80% of all climbing accidents occur on rappel and the most hazardous period in a climbers career are the first 2 yrs. During this 2 yr. period I strongly suggest If and when it is possible to hook up with an older much more experienced climber. Do so. Especially big walling or at least utilize this colossal tool called the web. Study the various climbing videos...they are an amazing resource..and lastly always keep an eye open for the better way as long as U pursue this craft..stay awake
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Lassitude 33
Apr 17, 2014 - 02:25pm PT
Very sorry to hear of young lives cut tragically short. Particularly when these incidents are so preventable.

There have been more than a few incidents of poorly placed trad gear. Fortunately most do not result in serious consequences. I know jstan began started a thread about this subject, but my anecdotally based view is that there are a lot of climbers coming out of the gym and sport climbing that can climb relatively hard, but lack many of the most basic understandings of rope management, protection and anchors.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 17, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
Who has ever heard of a three piece anchor pulling just from body weight?
Those must have been A6 placements.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Apr 17, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
Those must have been A6 placements.

Kinda says it all about the cause.

Comfort to those who lost a friend or loved one.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Apr 17, 2014 - 03:00pm PT
Not
1. Putting a knot in the leader's end so the belay is retained
2. Pulling the rope through
3. Walking off the backside

must look really cool. Is it the crowd climbing that makes this necessary? Or does it come simply from the gyms?

As Elcap explained, it's perfectly reasonable not to pull the entire rope through, and there is nothing inherently dangerous about that practice (whenever I've done it, the leader stays tied in, so the belay system is closed. Of course, the system should always be closed if there's any doubt whatsoever about the rope being sufficiently long.)

In any event, not pulling all the rope through has nothing whatsoever to do with gym climbing. I suppose someone could do it in the gym, but I've never seen it (gym climbing is generally done with gym ropes, which are much shorter than standard ropes, and also there's no rope drag, which is another reason to tie in short outside on some routes).

Why am I going into this in such detail? Other than I'm that type of guy, it's at least slightly interesting to me that some of you seem to be incriminating gyms for at least some things that aren't really dangerous, and have nothing to do with gyms.

May as well blame these accidents on "marihuana" or people-who-don't-look-like-us or whatever.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Apr 17, 2014 - 03:19pm PT
it's at least slightly interesting to me that some of you seem to be incriminating gyms for at least some things that aren't really dangerous, and have nothing to do with gyms.

In a gym, the situation is controlled. The climber ties in, the belayer clips the rope through the belay device and locks the biner, good to go.

Outside, uncontrolled environment with variables and unknown circumstances. Both climber and belayer tie in. Not always, but as a general practice.

Practicing both tying in at the gym as well, might save lives and reduce injuries. Or at least a knot in the belay end of the rope.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Apr 17, 2014 - 03:23pm PT
convenience anchors

What the hell is a "convenience anchor"? People have been climbing for decades. Now all of the sudden we need to protect people from their own stupidity?

I feel for the family and friends of those injured/killed, but to grid bolt every crag and top out because gym climbers can't figure out rope management/trad anchors is taking it too far.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Apr 17, 2014 - 03:23pm PT
May as well blame these accidents on "marihuana" or people-who-don't-look-like-us or whatever.

None of my business, but are you a funny looking pot-head?
Rudder

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Apr 17, 2014 - 04:17pm PT
When I started climbing in Josh 40 years ago, our mantra was...."If there's a way to walk off....do it."

Definitely.

It's been discussed before that my generation of climbers came mostly from mountaineering, exploring, adventurous, outdoor types. We were already dealing with the outdoors and even ropes & knots before we started rock climbing. Now most come from gyms. City people looking for gymnastic fun, which is great and all.

But, the question I have, because it seems that way to me, is that a far lesser percentage of people climbing today know what they're doing? My perspective from memory is that most guys knew what they were doing in the 70s and 80s. Now I'm seeing where most guys actually do not know what they're doing. Like it went from 80% knew and 20% didn't to 80% don't and 20% do. That's exaggerating, but that's what it seems like. The guys I know from the gym that are also now going to Joshua Tree are still renting shoes and own no gear. How much can they know? Any truth to the idea that less of a percentage of climbers know what they're doing now as compared to climbers from the 70's and 80's?
jstan

climber
Apr 17, 2014 - 04:31pm PT
"If there's a way to walk off....do it."

In the 60's and early 70's I found walking off to be beneficial in at least three ways.
1. Lowering or rappelling involves non-redundant systems that pose special risk.
2. Walking off uses different muscles which is quite enjoyable and you learn some route finding, at your own pace.
3. Walking off releases the route sooner for others.

In the sixties the phenomenon of crowd climbing socialization began to evolve into an important component in climbing. That component happens to be an even larger part of gym climbing, if I am to believe many of the comments made by climbers. While apriori it is not a bad thing, it did have a couple of consequences.
1. A practice of dominating routes for a period of time developed
2. There was increased damage to vegetation at the bases of climbs
3. A person's ability to focus on what had to be done to assure safety was weakened

Under the assumption this is all true, we have the task of adapting. Unfortunately it is the first two that admit most readily to resolution through changing our practices and hardening the area at the bases of climbs.

The last, which may in fact have very serious consequences, seems harder to resolve. Letting the climber be entirely free from interference while on the rock won't even do it. Engaging the climber while they are tying their knot for instance or while buckling their harness is not helpful. Indeed while this is being done there really should be a general silence.

We have a lot to do. And we need to face the possibility awful prices are being paid.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Apr 17, 2014 - 04:34pm PT
When I started climbing in Josh 40 years ago, our mantra was...."If there's a way to walk off....do it."

Forty year later......still living that same code.

Many accidents occur during descents, including "walk offs."
Not saying the "walk off" ethic is bad, but it's arbitrary, and certainly not the safest way to descend from tricky terrain for competent climbers (which would be to rap or lower from robust anchors--you can call them "convenience" or whatever you want, but pejorative terms don't change the facts).

As a sometimes visitor to JT, seems to me that the developers of your era screwed the place up in a lot of ways with crap bolt jobs and poor anchors. In that way, climbing is a bit of a surrogate for the rest of the world.
Hopefully the new generation(s) can learn from your mistakes and do a little better.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Apr 17, 2014 - 04:37pm PT
The "walk off" mantra is all well and good...except there ain't no walkoff of the Headstone, which is where one of these two accidents happened. You are lowering/rapping, or downsoloing 5.6/5.7 as the easiest ways off the formation.

labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Apr 17, 2014 - 04:44pm PT
I really suck at walk offs. I might be getting a little better but when I started they were some of the most frightening things about climbing for me.

I do realize that screwing up a rappel is far more common and that it had nothing to do with these accidents.
Erik
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Apr 17, 2014 - 04:46pm PT
"As a sometimes visitor to JT, seems to me that the developers of your era screwed the place up in a lot of ways with crap bolt jobs and poor anchors."

Double Huh?
Rudder

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Apr 17, 2014 - 04:52pm PT
Further...

I think people need to know what they're doing when lives are involved, as with climbing. And, I keep saying people need to read about the history of climbing.

I say this because of the people who think adding more bolts to routes, be it for anchors or otherwise do not realize how controversial fixed hardware on our national treasures is/are.
overwatch

climber
Apr 17, 2014 - 04:53pm PT
No sh#t where did that come from? Friggin left field
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Apr 17, 2014 - 05:44pm PT
"As a sometimes visitor to JT, seems to me that the developers of your era screwed the place up in a lot of ways with crap bolt jobs and poor anchors."

Double Huh?

What part of "crap bolt jobs" and "poor anchors" don't you understand?

I recall you're the guy who had a very hard time understanding the added / removed bolt on Surprise--why you don't try to figure that one out before scratching your head too much on this one.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Apr 17, 2014 - 05:50pm PT
Wanna give some specific examples of crap anchors & bolts you are referring to, blahblah?

And the 'developers of our era'...exactly who are you talking about?
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Apr 17, 2014 - 06:03pm PT
Wanna give some specific examples of crap anchors & bolts you are referring to, blahblah?

And the 'developers of our era'...exactly who are you talking about?

My response was to Cragman and his 40-years comment, so mid-70s (and thereabouts) is the era I'm talking about.
The new Gordon routes are probably fine--I did some nice, easy modern bolted routes last time I was there (not sure who did the FA, but the routes were in the new book), and they were good fun.

I do see some potential confusion -- it's not the quality of the bolts that I'm referring to (although I think I've seen a lot more older bolts there than I see here in Colo.), rather the bolt / anchor placement (and in the case of anchors, it's actually the lack of them that I'm not happy about).
Too many freaking sketch downclimbs there for my tastes--wastes time and adds unnecessary danger.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Apr 17, 2014 - 06:15pm PT
Too many freaking sketch downclimbs there for my tastes--wastes time and adds unnecessary danger.

I would suggest you stay in the gym.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Apr 17, 2014 - 06:17pm PT
Oh brother.


Condolences.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 17, 2014 - 06:17pm PT
Any alpinist reading about 'sketch downclimbs' at almost any crag has to be hurting themselves laughing.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Apr 17, 2014 - 06:37pm PT
BlahBlah: it's called adventure. Danger is an inherent part of adventure. We climb to seek adventure.

If your priority is safety, may I suggest that you go bowling (we'd all be a lot happier).
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Apr 17, 2014 - 06:40pm PT
Could i suggest maybe that this is not the place for this discussion? Maybe start a new thread.

My condolences to those who lost a friend or loved one.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Apr 17, 2014 - 06:42pm PT
I'd write a longer response but I've got to hurry to meet my friend at the climbing gym (for real)!
Slightly more seriously, I know my comments started this as much as anything, but let's be mindful that this is a thread resulting from a sad death.

While it's true that I'd prefer more "convenience anchors" at JT, I do understand that I'm not the boss there (or, sadly, anywhere outside my humble abode) and if things change, it will likely be because of the needs/wants of a new generation. Time will tell if that will happen.
drewsky

climber
Seattle
Apr 17, 2014 - 06:47pm PT
It doesn't really seem appropriate to bicker about the semantics of descending climbs on this thread, but as it appears to occur regardless:

I've spent months and months climbing in Joshua Tree. Some of the downclimbs are 5th class and potentially dangerous, but most of the accidents I've seen or heard tell of seem to have been leader falls, rappelling errors or otherwise related to the use of ropes and gear. Yes, soloing accidents have happened too, of course and I'm sure they've happened during descents as well. Even scrambling through stacked boulders can be pretty harrowing there. One way to mitigate issues is to have at least one person in the group who's comfortable dealing with the logistics of downclimbing while everyone else is either lowered or rappels off. Unfortunately, that may have been what was happening in this case but with unforeseen consequences.

The reality here is that this was a tragic accident that sounds like it was the result of user error. Putting blame on route developers from 40 years ago is completely pointless and irrelevant. The Headstone accident proves that even with fixed anchors, accidents can and do occur. What is relevant is that Joshua Tree sometimes requires a bit more knowledge and gear-related aplomb than do other areas. Education and preparation go a long way towards preventing these incidents, but accidents happen everywhere, even at areas that have predominantly fixed protection. That's the unfortunate reality of our sport.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 17, 2014 - 06:56pm PT
I think there's more at work here, and I don't see it getting better.

The geezer generations grew up playing with all kinds of heavy, sharp potentially dangerous objects.

Erector sets

big wood blocks,

Firewood piles

Trees, (Tree houses involving ropes etc.)

Pocket knives

Guns

Cars

Farm equipment

On and on.

Developing an understanding and appreciation of the mechanical laws of the universe came naturally with lessons learned with bruises, cuts and the occasional broken bone.

Successive generations now grow up increasingly isolated from the real world, cocooned in a virtual world, and it could completely escape their understanding that a really big rock could move with the application of a very small lever in just the wrong place, or predict the likely resultant forces on an anchor.

I see the same mental process at work on construction sites all the time too.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Apr 17, 2014 - 07:01pm PT
Personally, I'd like to see a lot fewer bolts in JT these days....that place could use a little more adventure....

Apologies for thread drift.
mhay

climber
Bishop, CA
Apr 17, 2014 - 07:04pm PT
Don't forget Jarts.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Apr 17, 2014 - 07:23pm PT
at last I agree with TGT
Running with scissors was a great way to learn survival tactics.
Or to lose an eye or a fingertip or your life.
I am very lucky to have lasted to adulthood will all my "god given" bits in their proper places and proportions.
There was/is natural selection at work.
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Apr 17, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
I can't think of a single sketch down climb in JTree.

There's one, I just can't remember which one it is...helps if you know which way to go

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 17, 2014 - 08:41pm PT
My point wasn't the natural selection aspect of childhood. Nobody ever died from the mechanics experiments that I recall. (except for ones with cars)

Just that intuitive mechanical reasoning has become as obsolete for the general populace as stalking technique or edible plant identification.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Apr 18, 2014 - 08:58pm PT
The "walk off" mantra is all well and good...except there ain't no walkoff of the Headstone, which is where one of these two accidents happened. You are lowering/rapping, or downsoloing 5.6/5.7 as the easiest ways off the formation.

The Rap off of the Headstone is no straight-forward thing, rapping the backside. It's over-hanging, and a knuckle bleeder if you don't know what you're doing.

Just because it's 5.6 to get up there, beginning rappers should be supervised on that rap. It's a beautiful setting though, so I can see how it attracts so many.

These needless deaths are just that, needless. Sure stuff happens in climbing, but many things can be avoided.

It seems that Josh has the highest death rate of crags in America. I attribute that to amateurs trying their hand in the 'real world', without the proper skillz.

I feel really bad about the gal especially. That just did not need to happen. Sad sh#t....God bless her.
Rankin

Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
Apr 18, 2014 - 09:15pm PT
Awful news. Condolences to the friends and family of the fallen climber.

I frequent an area that utilizes a lot of natural gear rappel anchors. In the end, climbers are responsible for judging the gear for themselves, and adding or supplementing as needed. It's unreal that three pieces would fail.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Apr 18, 2014 - 09:52pm PT
Bluering hit the nail on the head:

It seems that Josh has the highest death rate of crags in America. I attribute that to amateurs trying their hand in the 'real world', without the proper skillz.

I feel really bad about the gal especially. That just did not need to happen. Sad sh#t....God bless her.

I ran SAR out here for 7 years. I also work as a guide. I won't even begin to detail what I have seen.

Bluey has it right.

Sorry for the loss of your friend.
BG

Trad climber
JTree & Idyllwild
Apr 19, 2014 - 02:24am PT
After talking to someone who was on the scence of the accident, I went over there today to take a look. The climb is called Dwarf Among Midgets (5.1). Based on where the rappeller fell, the mostly likely spot for the anchor was a crack that had both macrostructure and microstructure issues- a horizontal crack beneath a massive, detached block perched on an inclined slab. The crack is shallow and a bit flared, and would not be an easy spot to rig a reliable gear anchor. It's quite low and hard to get a good look into without getting down on your hands and knees.

I've set up this climb before as a TR but used a long extendo rope to other anchors 30-40 ft. back from the edge.

There is a set of fairly new bomber rappel/belay bolts with rings about 15 ft. right of where this anchor was rigged, so I'm assuming they were setting it up as a TR.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Apr 19, 2014 - 02:46am PT
Very, very unfortunate and so sad.
Condolences to the family and friends , and to the climbing partner that must live with this awful tragedy..
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Apr 19, 2014 - 09:36am PT
The crack is shallow and a bit flared, and would not be an easy spot to rig a reliable gear anchor.

If you can't "set" a piece of pro (yank real hard multiple times in direction of potential pull)it ain't gonna be good.

Dolomite

climber
Anchorage
Apr 19, 2014 - 11:15am PT
This is a post from the poor woman's blog:

http://www.hastac.org/blogs/wadewitz/2013/08/12/what-i-learned-worst-student-class

Draw your own conclusions.

She sounds like a wonderful person with lots to contribute to the world. Condolences to her loved ones.

Drift: I'll walk off every time over rapping. Even off Royal Arches. I self identify as a geezer.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Apr 19, 2014 - 11:24am PT
Whether walking or rappelling, the dangers can still be present. I've long hated rapelling but understand that a down climb requires a cool head just like getting up sometimes - and can be part of the fun as well.

I don't think the discussion of JT anchors is relevant in this unfortunate incident, Joshua Tree is an area rich in history and style and the quirkiness, for better or for worse, is one of the many reasons people like me keep going back. New routes can get rap anchors, but established formations have established descents that are reasonable.

Place good, redundant anchors and if there is any lack of confidence in said gear support one of the many awesome guiding companies. Local climbers charge reasonable fees for absolutely priceless information, take them up on it.


Edit - I read her article about climbing above. The conclusion I drew was that she was driven, intelligent and one of the good ones. She sounds like someone that would've been here posting a TR on this site a few years down the road. A real loss for the climbing community.
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Apr 19, 2014 - 11:25am PT
New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/19/business/media/adrianne-wadewitz-37-wikipedia-editor-dies-after-rock-climbing-fall.html?emc=edit_th_20140419&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=21133602&_r=0
jstan

climber
Apr 19, 2014 - 11:32am PT
A very topical and interesting blog. We need to think more on how to keep these things from happening. The loss is too great. This was terrible and entirely preventable.

A Chinese friend told me how upper class Chinese actively prevent their children from ever using their hands when very young; two or three years old. Too demeaning. He said, as a consequence these people are never able to use their hands effectively. So a kid who has nuts and bolts to play with very early, has a hammer and nails, climbs ladders and trees, even better works frequently and hard outdoors with a parent, has a huge advantage. Actually it would be well to give your two year old a book on quantum mechanics. What a kick upward that would be.
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Apr 20, 2014 - 02:41pm PT
Downclimbing, route-finding, and anchor-placement are all very well, but no place has baffled me so much as J-Tree with the inexplicable tradition of bolted face climbs with no anchor. If you've got the drill on you, why not finish the job?

In no way am I advocating for bolting the top of every 5.1 gear climb. The incident here is horrible, but anyone who knows me knows that I respect the need for self-reliance and judgment in becoming a competent climber/outdoorsperson.

PS: I'm 45 years old and learned to climb in CT and NC, so save your back-to-the-gym rhetoric for the kids. I'm just kind of amazed by the JT ethic of putting up a bolted climb but making people carry a pile of gear and hike back 30 feet to some crusty crack to find a safe anchor.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Apr 20, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
J-Tree with the inexplicable tradition of bolted face climbs with no anchor. If you've got the drill on you, why not finish the job

Sounds like someone who's been inconvenienced.
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Apr 20, 2014 - 02:50pm PT
The example set by this tradition has succeeded in motivating me to install bomber and well-placed anchors on my own routes.

Again, I'm not talking about climbs upon which one sets out with a rack of gear…what is more convenience-based than a bolted face? Don't tell me that following someone else's line of pre-placed protection is all about self-reliance, route-finding, judgment..etc. And then a totally different ethic prevails on top.

[We can take this to a new thread if this doesn't seem like the appropriate venue]
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Lassitude 33
Apr 20, 2014 - 04:40pm PT
J-Tree with the inexplicable tradition of bolted face climbs with no anchor. If you've got the drill on you, why not finish the job?

Again, I'm not talking about climbs upon which one sets out with a rack of gear…what is more convenience-based than a bolted face? Don't tell me that following someone else's line of pre-placed protection is all about self-reliance, route-finding, judgment..etc. And then a totally different ethic prevails on top.

Actually, the idea that a large number of fully bolted face climbs at Josh lack bolted anchors, is increasingly becoming myth. Over the last 20 years, more and more of these climbs have had fixed anchors added to the top. [In fact, even a number of trad crack climbs now sport bolted convenience anchors.]

And the crag where this unfortunate accident occurred, features almost entirely trad (gear protected) routes. That no bolted anchors are found atop these gear leads shouldn't be surprising at all [but, perhaps expectations are continuing to evolve].

But, more to the quoted assertions above:

There is nothing inexplicable about older bolted face climbs lacking fixed anchors. It does, however, require an understanding of the historical context in which many of these routes were established. The lack of understanding of that context can also lead to other interesting complaints.

Many of these routes were first established in the 1970s and 1980s. They were "Traditional" face climbs, not "Sport" climbs. Bolts were placed where needed and run outs on easier ground were common. Drilling bolts with a hand drill on the lead was (is) a pain. And despite what some would lead you to believe, most of these routes were not established by climbers leading well below their grade.

If an odd piece of pro could be placed and a bolt avoided, it usually was. If there was natural gear for an anchor on top, few if any, would bother to drill a couple of bolts. Having the anchor a ways back from the edge was hardly considered that "inconvenient." You could simply extend the rope from the anchor to the belayer.

Even when sport climbing began to take root, it was an activity almost exclusively the domain of climbers pushing the limits of difficulty. The idea of a 5.8, 5.9, or 5.10 sport route was not something that anyone thought was needed. The closely spaced bolts of a sport route were needed largely because working moves and repeated falls were expected.

Of course, that began to change as well. Today, even novice climbers on incredibly easy climbs (e.g., 5.6 or 5.7) expect to be able to push themselves in complete safety. And, easy and moderate sport routes are quite common today.

But, what of the easy and moderate face climbs established 30 or 40 years ago? First, novice climbers are often dismayed by the lack of comforting bolts every body length or two (or more) on these routes. And, though the original complaint was about a lack of bolted anchors, the disconnect between modern expectations and established reality is broader than this and growing wider.

People now regularly complain about run out climbing on easy bolted fare like Double Dip (5.6) on Echo Rock (established in 1973) -- despite guidebooks warning them that these older routes aren't sport climbs. In the case of Double Dip, that disconnect between expectations and reality is compounded by limited outdoor experience and an apparent lack of reading comprehension.



Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Apr 20, 2014 - 04:51pm PT
^^^^ Very good post.

I believe this discussion drift honors the life and death of this person.

Like Sherpa built fixed lines up Everest, the gym-like sport routes on public lands work to develop a "client" attitude in the "modern" climber where safety is expected or presumed rather than achieved through careful study and experience. "Everybody does this so it must be safe," is a deadly thought.
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Apr 20, 2014 - 06:29pm PT
Thanks sketchy. From what I know of hand drilling, and the JT historical context, that makes some sense. And if an increasing number of (newer?) bolted face climbs now feature fixed anchors, it would appear that my sentiment is shared.

But when I climb 'Run For Your Life' one time and find a bolted anchor, and return a year or two later to find a mess of chopped holes, all I can think is 'these people need to get their story straight.'


Please note that in my comments neither the terms 'sport climb' nor 'inconvenient' appear. For me it's more of a logical consistency issue. And yes, a bit of convenience. I can't lie: I don't much miss the days of belaying off my harness, yelling back and forth to an unseen partner below, and grinding the rope over a grainy edge. It seems like homo scalensis has refined the single-pitch game to a more enjoyable place, and belaying from the ground off a top anchor is a big part of that. Not that I don't occasionally opt to belay up top in celebration of an expansive view, because that's one of the pleasures of climbing.
TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Apr 20, 2014 - 06:57pm PT
the disconnect between modern expectations and established reality is broader than this and growing wider......
People now regularly complain about run out climbing on easy bolted fare like Double Dip (5.6) on Echo Rock (established in 1973) -- despite guidebooks warning them that these older routes aren't sport climbs. In the case of Double Dip, that disconnect between expectations and reality is compounded by limited outdoor experience and an apparently lack of reading comprehension.ere

Very well put Randy, and more than true.

For me it's more of a logical consistency issue.

It's only inconsistent in that folks are not aware of the history, traditions and values at work when the routes were established. They feel obliged to "improve" routes with anchors where none originally existed. Then the mess gets chopped and the process likely repeats itself n a few seasons or so. Here's where the " disconnect" Randy references, comes into play. For example, If you can't climb Double Cross without a bolt at the bottom, then wait till you can muster the requisite skills and sand. It's really just that simple.
TY
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Apr 20, 2014 - 07:11pm PT
Nobody ever accused 'history, traditions and values' of logical consistency. I got it.



[edit. OK, that's unnecessarily snarky. All traditions adhere to their own internal logic.]
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Lassitude 33
Apr 20, 2014 - 07:39pm PT
I get it...a significant number of people want an easy chair, low stress, low commitment, easily top roped approach to single pitch climbing. But, does that mean every route needs to accommodate this -- for lack of a gender neutral term -- emasculation of climbing?

Climbing is often difficult, dangerous, scary and downright inconvenient. This was (and remains) a draw to the more adventurous. However, as climbing evolved into a mainstream sport, mainstream "values" and expectations have come to predominate. The clash of these ideals is a rich source of debate and redirection in modern climbing.

And, as unfortunate and avoidable accidents as this demonstrate, climbing remains a dangerous activity, no matter one's expectations or how innocuous the setting.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Apr 20, 2014 - 08:03pm PT
If only we could choose between avoidable accidents and unavoidable accidents...
Sometimes we do get to choose between easy approaches to hard climbs and hard approaches to easy climbs...


donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 20, 2014 - 08:56pm PT
An accident by definition is unavoidable....it's already happened. Humans can learn from past accidents how to avoid future ones but, given human nature, mistakes will continue to be made.
Steven Amter

climber
Washington, DC
Apr 21, 2014 - 12:01am PT
The problem with learning to climb, and lead, in a gym is it teaches you nothing about placing gear, and how to judge how good it is. The only way to learn trad is by cleaning the gear of a competent leader and/or leading yourself. Unfortunately, this takes a lot of time, and for some presents a high psychological barrier. For those with more bravery than sense, it means putting yourself in danger because you don't know what you don't know.
jstan

climber
Apr 21, 2014 - 12:12am PT
Out of regard for legal liability gyms work hard to create an atmosphere of assured safety. Even in
gyms it is not assured and out of doors safety is most definitely not assured.

The atmosphere is the problem.

In the past we had belay testing to impress upon all the forces for which we need to be prepared.
Those gyms conducting belay tests for their customers do those customers great service.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Apr 21, 2014 - 12:29am PT
I'm just kind of amazed by the JT ethic of putting up a bolted climb but making people carry a pile of gear and hike back 30 feet to some crusty crack to find a safe anchor.

Your boy Ken Nichols would puke blood if he read that.

I always carry a long azz one inch sling in JTree.
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA/Boulder, CO
Apr 21, 2014 - 01:54am PT
My guess is that gym climbers expect their outdoor experience to be similar to their indoor experience in that every climb is basically the same meaning bolts every 3 feet with bolted anchors at the top. Clearly, that's not how it plays out in most outdoor climbing areas. Gym climbers need to reset their expectations.
Rankin

Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
Apr 21, 2014 - 09:30am PT
Indoor climbing is for consumption, while outdoor climbing is not.
rick d

climber
ol pueblo, az
Apr 21, 2014 - 09:46am PT
Stannard, I "failed" the belay test at the gym in 1995/6 in baltimore.

The morons who work at gyms are also part of the problem.

MENTORSHIP is what is lacking. I spent three year climbing in HS with Hunt Prothro who taught the class. Came to Arizona and followed leaders pulling nuts (no one owned camming units) for several months before I took the sharp end. Belayed and caught real falls.

No one does this anymore.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 21, 2014 - 10:02am PT
It is a different world now from when I started climbing. We read books and knew climbing history.

Today we have people who claim to be fukking GUIDES who don't know who Bonatti was.
(one "guide" thought he manufactured carabiners!)

The lack of common sense among people with little experience who want to climb outdoors is not only burgeoning but likely to spawn all kinds of new laws and regulations to protect people from their own idiocy.

Good luck with that.
overwatch

climber
Apr 21, 2014 - 11:13am PT
I met a guide here in arizona that couldn't tie a clove and used a figure eight knot(not a figure eight on a bight)for his end of line knot for rappels. He also made anchors and belayed off his PAS without tieing in the rope.
So I think who Bonatti was is the least of their worries.

Edit;
Thanks to jhb for getting us back on point...my apologies for contributing to the thread drift.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Apr 21, 2014 - 01:46pm PT
As climbing extends more and more to the general population, you have a number of different people getting into climbing for different reasons. Though this wasn't always the case, when people started out long ago, there was something of a wilderness/preservation ethos. There were few enough climbers where and the ethics about limiting bolting, etc., made it easy to adhere to that standard.

Nowadays, while there are a number climbers who get the history, get the ethics, there are probably an equal number who never came to outdoor climbing from that setting and have absolutely no interest in it. They want the sanitized, safe version of climbing everywhere and simply do not understand the reasons why everyplace should not be as user friendly as a well bolted sport area. I find the great irony in this position that many of these climbers are interested only in pursuing difficulty, but do not see the challenges of placing gear or dealing with mental challenges such as runouts, etc., as part of that same difficulty. They want it to be hard, but not in a way they are uncomfortable with. People like Bonatti, Robbins and Bachar are just dinosaurs to them that must have been soft because they weren't sport climbers and didn't boulder V13. It's like these climbers spoke a foreign language, and many new climbers simply have no common foundation to understand how or why what they did mattered.
jstan

climber
Apr 21, 2014 - 01:52pm PT
I spent three year climbing in HS with Hunt Prothro

Rick:
You had a great mentor. As did I.
Rudder

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Apr 21, 2014 - 08:24pm PT
Please be careful everybody!

Good advice, if you mean careful to know what it is you are doing.

This sport is very unforgiving of ignorance.

Sad thing is it's not that hard to know what you're doing with gear. Even if you take a look at the simple instructions that come with a cam you can avoid this kind of tragedy.

maybe this kind of incident will make some of the hard-core ethical traditionalists in the J-Tree community re-consider the placement of convenience anchors atop climbs.

This isn't about JT ethics or anywhere ethics. This is about knowing how to set up an anchor for a rope. Please everyone readying this thread, understand that one simple point.

As a sometimes visitor to JT, seems to me that the developers of your era screwed the place up in a lot of ways with crap bolt jobs and poor anchors.

Again, it's not that hard to learn how to setup an anchor for a rope. If you're going to be climbing on ropes outside =anywhere= take a few hours, minutes for some, to learn to set an anchor. The idea that you're entitled to have grid bolted rock anywhere you want to climb is ridiculous. And, not understanding that fixing permanent metal hardware on the world's rocks is controversial to begin with shows a lack of common sense. The NPs, et al, already don't have many good reasons for even allowing climbing. Consider how to make that situation better, not worse.

Climbers of my era learned about self-reliance first.

That should still be the case. It's not about old school ethics, it's not about the gymnastics of climbing V13, it's about knowing how to setup an anchor for a rope. If you don't know how, you shouldn't go putting people on a rope you set up. End of story. Rap it yourself if you want, but don't put anyone on a rope you setup until you know how to setup a "bomb proof" anchor, etc. That's obvious, isn't it?

I don't think the discussion of JT anchors is relevant in this unfortunate incident

It's not.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Apr 21, 2014 - 10:01pm PT
Well said, Rudder.

As for mentoring, I've taken a couple of dudes under my wing and shown them how to place pro. Even climbed on their gear.

Often times Noobs lack the humility to ask a more experienced climber for advice, and even personal guidance. That's why I still climb with my grasshoppers, that and the fact that they now lead harder than I do.

See? Train the grasshoppers to be your future rope-guns! Hehe.

Good guys though, the ones I've met. They know who they are and occasionally post here...
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Apr 22, 2014 - 01:13am PT
As far as statistics go, would this now fall into the 'most fatal climbing accidents are the result of rappelling' category? Seems to me that while she was rappelling, it was not that which caused the accident. I consider rappelling accidents to involve running out of rope or rigging the rappel device incorrectly. And given that this was likely set up for top roping, it could have just as easily turned into a top-roping accident minutes later.
bernadette regan

climber
joshua tree, ca
Apr 25, 2014 - 11:33am PT
http://www.rockandice.com/lates-news/adrianne-wadewitz-wikipedia-editor-and-climber-dies-in-joshua-tree
splitclimber

climber
Sonoma County
Apr 25, 2014 - 01:54pm PT
condolences to her family and friends. I hope her partner is doing OK too.

It would be good to know the root cause of the accident.

I'm wondering if maybe a cordelette was used and tied in an overhand. Then maybe the rap redirected the load enough where only one piece at a time was holding all of the load ???


overwatch

climber
Apr 25, 2014 - 02:48pm PT
That link is pop up city
LilaBiene

Trad climber
Technically...the spawning grounds of Yosemite
Apr 25, 2014 - 06:28pm PT
Thanks to Dolomite for posting the link to Adrianne's blog a ways back.

It's so just so sad; such a bright flame extinguished.

From the link to her blog, where she wrote about learning to climb and the insight it had provided her in her approach to teaching:

What I learned as the worst student in the class

When professors teach, they teach what they love. What they are experts in. What it is easy for them to learn. Thus, it is easy to forget what it is like to be the student who struggles in the classroom. In fact, many professors may never have had the experience of struggling to learn--they probably effortlessly got A’s or at least easily understood how to teach themselves a topic. How can they, then, sympathize with and, more importantly, effectively teach students who do not intuitively understand their subject matter?

Many great ideas posted already in this thread addressing the above, which is heartening.

Embrace failure.

Ultimately, nothing was more helpful for me than failing repeatedly. Academics choose to pursue subjects in which they do not fail very often. When I went climbing, I was failing spectacularly--and publicly--every hour of every day I was climbing. This is quite different from job market rejection or publication rejection--those can all be justified or explained away in one’s mind. I was forcing myself to do something that I knew would cause me to feel fear, failure, and frustration. The mental and physical discipline it took for me to fail repeatedly and try again was completely different from the kind of academic discipline I had developed over the years. This is perhaps the hardest lesson I want my students to learn. They have been taught that all failure is something to be ashamed of and something to be avoided. Thus, I have decided that one entire assignment in my next writing class will be about writing failures, since all good writing entails drafts and revisions. The students will save their failed writing attempts and explain what they have learned from them. Focusing entirely on those drafts and revisions and why precisely they decided to delete paragraphs or change introductions will, I hope, make students feel more comfortable with this concept.


Write a new personal narrative.

For me, one of the most empowering outcomes of my year of climbing has been the new narrative I can tell about myself. I am no longer “Adrianne: scholar, book lover, pianist, and Wikipedian”. I am now “Adrianne: scholar, book lover, pianist, Wikipedian, and rock climber”. This was brought home most vividly to me one day when I was climbing outdoors here in Los Angeles and people on the beach were marveling at those of us climbing. Suddenly I realized, I used to be the person saying how crazy or impossible such feats were and now I was the one doing them. I had radically switched subject positions in a way I did not think possible for myself. That, I realized, is what I want my students to experience - that radical switch and growth. It is an enormous goal and I would love to hear how others work at achieving it with their students.

What a positive life force. My heart goes out to her family, former students and friends.

...

The folks at Mountain Tools were kind enough to offer to send along a heap of their safe-climbing stickers to me to pass along to fellow students in my AMC rock climbing class this spring.

It's unsettling to be in a class with so many folks that are coming from gym climbing -- they don't ask "what if" questions. Most have never heard of Accidents in NA Mountaineering, and thought it was strange that I would want to read about how accidents happen. They're impatient and move through the class requirements as quickly as possible. I drive them nuts because I ask a lot of questions. They look at me like I have six heads when I want to see something or do something a second time. I was expressing enthusiasm about learning how to use a muenter hitch for belaying/rappelling -- you could drop your ATC, I said, and now we have a back-up technique, how cool! -- one of my classmates actually scoffed at me and rolled her eyes. I guess she's never dropped anything.

I'm grateful for all of the volunteer instructors and assistants @ AMC Boston for all of the time and effort and patience that they employ in teaching us the basics of climbing safely weekend after weekend, some of whom have been climbing for 40+ years. (Thank you and much gratitude also to Ben & Dorcas, Ed & Anders, Ron and everyone else I've tortured with endless questions and musings, and for being my climbing mentors.) I hope that someday I will have gained enough experience and wisdom to be able to pay all of their efforts forward.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Apr 29, 2014 - 03:08am PT

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/20/business/media/adrianne-wadewitz-37-wikipedia-editor-and-academic-dies.html

Ms. Wadewitz’s interest in rock climbing played out on Wikipedia. Her last editing was to improve an article about Steph Davis, a prominent female climber and wingsuit flier. In Ms. Wadewitz’s hands, the article became filled with personal details, spectacular photos, a highlighted quotation and 25 footnotes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steph_Davis
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