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Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 24, 2017 - 10:54pm PT
That your best shot DrF? Kinda sad.
drF

Trad climber
usa
Aug 25, 2017 - 12:43am PT
Joan Beck after another tube steak dinner....so right and yet so bitter

Definitely FULL

Stay SAFE Joan
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 26, 2017 - 03:50pm PT
Damned inconvenient those mandatory sentencing guidelines when they're applied to a white man training a loaded rifle on Federal agents. Fewer complaints when the perp or victim are black.

The Federal Sentencing Guidelines were part of Clinton appeasing the Republitards so he could get any legislation through Congress. Lock 'em up and throw away the key was the general idea.

No parole for federal crimes! WTF!!! Removing the good behavior incentives.
So what incentive does someone in Federal prison have to improve themselves to get out early? Probation is still available with Federal supervision after release.

In fact the Supreme Court recognized the flaws in mandatory sentencing in United States vs. Booker in 2005: mandatory sentencing violates the 6th Amendment: the right to trial by jury. e.g. the jury couldn't lessen the sentence.
Due to Booker, guidelines are now advisory only.
And the sentences are still subject to appellate review.

The prosecutor may argue for a lesser sentence than imposed by the Judge. Looks like that didn't happen here.
The guidelines also allow for increasing a sentence for "government disruption", using weapons in committing the crime, how the weapon was used, and how much it endangered others.
Pointing a long gun at a Federal LEO with a lot of people around will be more harshly sentenced than just walking around in the bush, spouting off and pretending to be a tough guy. The judge still has a LOT of freedom in the sentencing. But No Parole is still the law.

All the gory details:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Federal_Sentencing_Guidelines
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 26, 2017 - 06:18pm PT
Wonder if DT will use his pardon power, again, for a supporter.....
couchmaster

climber
Dec 20, 2017 - 11:32am PT


Breaking news, just out: "Mistrial declared". They walked. https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46221192&nid=157&title=mistrial-declared-in-nevada-ranching-standoff-case

"LAS VEGAS (AP) — A U.S. judge in Nevada declared a mistrial Wednesday in the case against a states’ rights figure, his two sons and another man accused of leading a 2014 armed standoff with federal agents during a cattle grazing dispute. Chief U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro in Las Vegas dismissed a jury seated last month for the long-awaited trial of Cliven Bundy, his sons Ryan and Ammon Bundy and self-styled Montana militia leader Ryan Payne...."
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 20, 2017 - 01:32pm PT
Just shows both the lack of ethics and competence by the gubmint lawyers,
mostly the former.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 20, 2017 - 01:43pm PT
I have only written one thing in my life, gentlemen jurors, and I will tell you that thing right away, so there is no question: Property is robbery. And do you know what I have concluded from that? In order to abolish that species of robbery, it is necessary to universalize it. I am, you see, gentlemen, as conservative as you; and whoever would tell you the contrary, would prove by that alone that they have understood nothing of my books, and, I would say, nothing of the things of this world.
-- Cliven Bundy
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 20, 2017 - 02:30pm PT
Cliven Bundy is an idiot. No question. But I'm almost starting to like the guy. He is becoming a stalking goat for Big Brother's abuses.


If they can do it to him,....


Government snipers? Really? (like using a candle to see what's in this here gas can)
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 20, 2017 - 02:56pm PT
The local water police here have night vision gear, an MRAP, and real surplus M4's with grenade launchers (sans grenades). They literally have nothing to do but get all these free goodies.

So you can bet a real federal thug agency will treat every confrontation like it's Fallujah.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 22, 2017 - 05:08pm PT
It makes me feel good that a "mainstream" conservation organization like Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is taking a strong stand for a retrial of the Bundy thugs.

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/bha_responds_to_mistrial_declaration_in_bundy_case

Dec. 20, 2017
MISSOULA, Mont. – Backcountry Hunters & Anglers stated that “justice must be served” in the conspiracy case against scofflaw rancher Cliven Bundy, his sons and a supporter following a federal judge’s declaration of a mistrial in the case this morning.

BHA President and CEO Land Tawney issued the following statement:

“Cliven Bundy and his followers are lawbreakers who continue to disrespect our government, our public lands and waters, and the citizens who own them. Today’s decision fails to change this fact: The Bundys and their comrades employed violence and lawlessness in an effort to steal from the American people. We as a nation cannot tolerate such actions, and these individuals must face the consequences. We anticipate a new trial being pursued against the Bundys and their accomplices. Justice must be served.”

Tawney continued:

“Worth remembering at this crucial moment is that America’s public lands – including national wildlife refuges, Forest Service lands and BLM lands – belong to all of us. We, their rightful owners, must stand up on behalf of our shared heritage and the outdoor opportunities they represent. To do otherwise is to neglect our patriotic duty.”

Ammon and Ryan Bundy led a group of anti-government extremists in a 40-day occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon in early 2016. BHA members traveled to the refuge to witness the occupation and speak up on behalf of public lands and public land owners.

What would Theodore Roosevelt do?
BigB

Trad climber
Red Rock
Jan 8, 2018 - 10:21am PT
Case against Bundy dismissed(gross negligence), can not be refiled
https://www.ktnv.com/news/nevada-federal-judge-dismisses-charges-against-cliven-bundy-two-sons
Dave

Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
Jan 8, 2018 - 12:57pm PT
Acts of disregard by the Bundy's (or others) are no excuse for agents of the government to do the same.

Good for the judge to uphold standards of prosecutorial conduct.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jan 8, 2018 - 03:19pm PT
Good for the judge to uphold standards of prosecutorial conduct.

Yes. Back in my school days, we were taught that our system is based on the idea that it is better for a guilty man to go free, than an innocent man imprisoned.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jan 8, 2018 - 03:39pm PT
I do not have a problem with the dismissal. In a way it takes the air out of Bundy's sails with respect to the argument that the Federal government is conspiring against him.

Bundy will be waving the dismissal order as some sort of evidence that he is right, while at the same time ignoring the order to pay his grazing fees or get his mangy cows off our land.
WBraun

climber
Jan 8, 2018 - 07:38pm PT
You Americans have no respect for cows the mothers of the earth.

None.

All do you is rape them, treat em like sh!t, slaughter them and eat them.

No wonder America has so much violent karma reactions ......
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jan 8, 2018 - 07:47pm PT
Cows are not the mothers of the earth. The Three Sisters are corn, beans, and squash. Everybody knows that.
WBraun

climber
Jan 8, 2018 - 07:48pm PT
I have nothing to do with this vegan horsesh!t either .....
monolith

climber
state of being
Jan 8, 2018 - 07:58pm PT
WBraun seems to have no idea what happens to the male calves born on dairy farms, or he's fine with the hypocrisy of his dairy consumption.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jan 8, 2018 - 08:29pm PT
Did he try to milk a steer...?
WBraun

climber
Jan 8, 2018 - 09:36pm PT
You're a moron monolith.

Always .....
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