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JimT
climber
Munich
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I come from a lot further back than 20 years and believe me climbing gear is dirt cheap compared with then, mind you we didn´t carry much either so the total cost was probably less. Compared with the other costs in my life its of no relevance whatsoever, for every student looking for a cheap rope there is someone with a house, 2 kids, wife and a pension plan.
Economics is cool and suprisingly crude, coming into the market and undercutting the others only works long term if you have a way to make the same product cheaper, then you end up looking over the fence and thinking "why am I working twice as hard as him for the same money" and put your prices up. When I price one of my products I work on what I think is a rewasonable earnings ratio and calculate backwards from there, if the market accepts the price I sell loads, if it doesn´t I don´t. No ones in the business of subsidising climbers.
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thewesleysummers
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2014 - 01:57pm PT
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^ i did not "plug" his business... there is no mention of website or contact info. I advise all of you to find your own climbing life coach! Climb on!
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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THE did not plug his business because he was too busy PLUGGIN' him.
This guy needs his sisal rope to receive a WOS treatment.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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It's a simple formula--lower priced raw materials + lower labor costs = higher retail price...
...bottom line is more profit margin--welcome to capitalist America, love it or leave it :-)
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Apr 7, 2014 - 09:36am PT
OP... You have this on your(?) blog:
Newsflash: Every sweater that you own for climbing is made out of plastic. That’s right… You are paying cashmere prices for the same material as that disposable fork you’re eating your kale salad with. And how much plastic is used to make one sweater? About the size of a small apple! Stretched out into plastic thread, and woven by machine (or child in sweatshop) into that fancy sweater. Total cost of plastic? 79 cents. Total cost to you? $249.99. Stop the madness..
The fallacy in your argument is you have only included the cost of the bottle, $0.79 and you have presumed the labor is done by a child.
What proof do you have that child labor is used?
Are you trying to tell the world you can make the same article of clothing for $0.79 and a small child? It seems you have forgotten the investment in machinery that can easily run tens of thousands of dollars.
If you don't like the cost of gear you have three choices:
1. Make your own.
2. Take up bouldering on sunny days.
3. Quit climbing and take up something economical like fly fishing or Formula 1 racing.
I have some pretty nice Columbia Sportswear stuff that I didnt pay more than $15 for at the outlet store. It has a Made in USA label.
People pay Patagucci prices for stuff from China because they think it is cool, not because they have to.
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thewesleysummers
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2014 - 03:07pm PT
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Exactly!
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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lol at people taking this seriously
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John Butler
Social climber
SLC, Utah
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Somewhere about 30 feet up a route the price you pay begins to becomes less relevant than the quality of the gear...
jb
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Fletcher
Gym climber
A very quiet place
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Did you know that if you look up the word "gullible" in an online dictionary, there is a picture of yourself there? :-) As a side note, I once worked for a company that made an operating system and lots of software to go with it. In its Dictionary app, if you looked up "gullible" it would show the definition along with your Mail photo. :-)
That blog is a parody and I think it's the third time something from it has been posted here. Snags a lot of fish each time. I think it's really well done and entertaining.
Today is National Beer Day (at least according to the New Belgium folks). Have a beer and laugh a bit at yourself (I do it all the time... at least the laughing at myself part!). It's all in good fun!
Cheers,
Eric
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Fletcher, the lack of seriousness with which you take the continued fleecing of the adventuring public is disappointing.
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overwatch
climber
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Yeah...lol olol ok ololololo lol loo
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Some of it may be a little pricey but, is this really from a "badass" climber?
Quote Nothing proves how badass you are more than having a shiny new rack of cams dangling off your harness, other than some well loved hexes.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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No need for a net there DMT, they are just jumping right in the boat today.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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This is NOT a troll!
Those who believe it to be a troll are being trolled!
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Oh no, I've been had!
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Okay, I'm too lazy to read the article on the OP link. AND I'm too lazy to even read everyone's posts. BUT! Let me say this about the subject line:
If you are so smart, why don't you start a climbing gear company yourself and put every one else out of business!
I can see you know with your locally made, organic fiber, fair trade, USA skilled labor crafted, fully benefited employees with 4 weeks paid vacation and full medical selling very high quality very low cost gear and clothing while you get rich like Scrooge McDuck and give it all to charity like Paul Newman while you humbly dirt bag it like Honnold in his Chevy van. We will all bow to your awesome business prowess and only speak reverently of you. Plus you will get laid like crazy were'ver you go without even having speak in complete sentances.
(I hope my post is still on topic)
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thewesleysummers
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2014 - 11:20pm PT
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You took the time to write that ^ but not read the article? The reason I don't do what you suggested is because I'm too busy climbing... You know, what you used to do, and now tell your grand kids about..
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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The Wesley summers is such a hard man lol! Take that spider savage!!
FYI real guides (not poseurs like you), actually get pro forms & deals on gear so they pay cost at most.
Then they don't have to cry about it like little bitches on their troll blogs.
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Wildincognito
climber
Eastside
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^^^
FYI real guides (not poseurs like you), actually get pro forms & deals on gear so they pay cost at most.
What "cost" are you speaking of? Do you even know what that term refers to?
This blog is awesome!
This topic should be copied and pasted on the BD topic.
Keep up the good work.
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