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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Mar 19, 2014 - 09:55pm PT
Have you had an EMG done to see if its NERVE impingement?
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Mar 19, 2014 - 09:56pm PT
Cragger , you need to see real doctors.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Mar 19, 2014 - 09:58pm PT
Had an MRI a few weeks ago that showed a mild stenosis at C5/6.

Doc I went to today is a spine specialist here in LA....highly recommended.

Dr. Sanjay Khurana....DISC Sports and Spine Center
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Mar 19, 2014 - 09:58pm PT
Wouldn't you need to have a cervix?
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Mar 19, 2014 - 10:00pm PT
I had a lumbar/sacrum shot.
Only time in a hospital/alien abduction.
It helped.
Robb

Social climber
It's Ault or Nunn south of Shy Annie
Mar 19, 2014 - 10:03pm PT
Yes(Lumbar though).
Not bad - more mental than physical in terms of stress IMO.

God Bless, God's Speed Lad

Robb
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Mar 19, 2014 - 10:03pm PT
I have a brother that had a very similar issue- some degradation in the spine,, but it turned out to be an impinged nerve. Had that fixed and didnt get anything further..The EMG test is the only thing that tells that sort of nerve issue from what ive been told. GOOD LUCK CRAG!
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Mar 19, 2014 - 10:27pm PT
From all my research, and what the Doc is telling me, this will likely take care of the issue for me. I certainly didn't want to hear I needed the knife.

Hoping for full restoration.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 19, 2014 - 10:31pm PT
Ron...Was your brothers degradation from an errant arrow...? rj
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Mar 19, 2014 - 10:40pm PT
Cragman: Since you are having the procedure in two days, it appears you are suffering from a little bout of Cognitive Dissonance.

Not uncommon, but it is unlikely you will agree with any advice at this time that conflicts with the decision you have made.

Best Wishes for your decision being the correct decision!

Here's Wikipedia's take on the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Leon Festinger's theory of cognitive dissonance focuses on how humans strive for internal consistency. When inconsistency (dissonance) is experienced, individuals largely become psychologically distressed. His basic hypotheses are listed below:
1."The existence of dissonance, being psychologically uncomfortable, will motivate the person to try to reduce the dissonance and achieve consonance"
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 19, 2014 - 10:42pm PT
Dude, if I may be so familiar, please get a second opinion. I know it is just me
but there's something about sticking sharp objects into the neck or back that gets me.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Mar 19, 2014 - 10:43pm PT
Fritz....don't over think it, pal.

My f-ing neck hurts.....I've been dealing with it for 7 months....my Doc recommends this next step.

Just asked if anyone had the same procedure and how they are doing...got it?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Mar 19, 2014 - 10:45pm PT
Wrong bother RJ,, i have three..;-)

Hope that cures yur ailment Crag!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 19, 2014 - 10:54pm PT
Dean... Hope you solve the neck issues...sounds horrible...rj
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Mar 19, 2014 - 11:12pm PT
Cragman! Re your comment on my post:

Fritz....don't over think it, pal.

Yep! Simple but common: Cognitive dissonance.

It is unlikely you will agree with any advice at this time that conflicts with the decision you have made.

Best Wishes for your decision being the correct decision!


(as I mentioned previously.)

Best Wishes!
Brian

climber
California
Mar 19, 2014 - 11:31pm PT
Hardly on here these days, but I'm glad I caught this threadů

Best wishes for a full, fast recovery Dean. You'll be in our thoughts and prayers the next couple of days as you build up to and recover from the procedure. Here's to hoping you'll be back in fine form for spring in the Sierra and summer in the Meadows.

Brian
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Mar 19, 2014 - 11:42pm PT
Thanks Brian...actually having this thing done up your way...Marina del Rey.
this just in

climber
north fork
Mar 20, 2014 - 12:03am PT
I had a bulging disc in C6/C7. Did two injections and they didn't help, so my doc said no need doing a third. I didn't get surgery, took it easy for awhile and that seemed to help. Now I get a pinched nerve every couple of months, but it's way better than constant pain. I would try the injections first then go from there. I do know people who've had the surgery and it really worked for them. Good luck.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Mar 20, 2014 - 12:13am PT
Had a couple Lumbar injections a few years back. Seemed to help quite a bit but I think it is largely a temporary fix. Not sure how your insurance work but in my case the the injections were quite costly and were basically an out of pocket expense until my deductible was covered.

My personal feeling was that they were not worth the expense but I do think they lowered my pain level quite a bit.

this just in

climber
north fork
Mar 20, 2014 - 12:30am PT
Yeah the injections don't fix the problem they help against the inflammation and do a temporary fix pain wise. I feel your pain Cragman, each day around noon my head would feel too heavy for my body and all I wanted was to lay down. You having numbness in your fingers?
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Mar 20, 2014 - 12:33am PT
Yep....tingling and numbness in my right shoulder...upper arm...and thumb and fingers. Also radiates into my right pectoral and scapula.
this just in

climber
north fork
Mar 20, 2014 - 12:39am PT
Bummer, good luck man.
overwatch

climber
Mar 20, 2014 - 12:43am PT
I don't know you but sorry to hear. Is surgery the next step after this if it doesn't work?
edit: apogee beat me to it.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Mar 20, 2014 - 01:47am PT
Good luck.

I know that my lumbar injections were a short fix, 2-3 months usually.

I stopping getting them a year ago when a a different Dr. than the regular one went through the disk then pulled out allowing lose of spinal fluid which created out of this world headaches for two weeks.
I've now went back to pain management for my back with pain killers and won't have another epidurle again.

I hope yours work without incident.
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Mar 20, 2014 - 02:29am PT
Sorry to hear this. Chronic pain is such a trial.
Will be interested to hear the results...
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Mar 20, 2014 - 12:21pm PT
Yes, in 2011 I had two cervical cortisone injections via guided fluoroscopy (epidural).
The first one resolved 70% of my complaint and the second one a month later was ineffective at helping me to gain much further ground.

With the fluoroscopy they can target the injection very safely because they are watching a moving x-ray during injection.

I've also in the last six months had two cortisone injections (with fluoroscopy) at my lower lumbar facet joints, which didn't do anything for my symptoms. Following an MRI, I'm subsequently 10 days out from an injection for strained/torn ligaments in my lower lumbar and it is only vaguely working, so it's hard to generalize about cortisone. It's never worked for chronic inflammation and tendinitis in my arms and knees. I've even had arm surgeons fail to achieve nerve blocks in my arms using cortisone.

The rules about limitation on cortisone use pertain as much to hormonal changes as they do to the often cited risk of tissue damage.

Although I'm not 100% with the neck, (still feels vulnerable and kind of tweaky in the area) I have not had a remission. I'd call that pretty successful use of cortisone.

I didn't initially present with neck pain, but with some numb and tingly fingers on one side. No acute injury. Then, severe, super gnarly pain at shoulder, scapula, sub scapula, bicep, tricep and forearm. Pounding on the floor pain. ER level pain. Post-surgery pain meds level pain.

The details:
Herniated disc C6/7 confirmed via MRI.
Only mild stenosis.
I forget what the EMG showed.
One week of Prednisone ineffective.
Gabapentin helped me regain the use of the arm but it was very painful to use it for anything from tying shoes on up.

Then the first injection basically fixed the problem. The theory goes now: the body can reabsorb herniated discs. Cortisone buys time for the body to do its thing by reducing inflammation.

One device recommended by my spine Doc, in addition to PT, was a Saunders Neck Traction Device. About $200 to $400 on eBay. The key in its design is that it does not place any force on the jaw, but (in theory) stretching the cervical area helps create suction for the disc to be reabsorbed.

I still use this neck traction device every morning for 20 min, followed by some stretches and exercises for deep neck muscles.

So if you're profile is like mine (stenosis isn't so bad and this is primarily a herniated disc) you may find relatively happy results with this upcoming injection. Good luck!
chez

Social climber
chicago ill
Mar 20, 2014 - 01:10pm PT
tarbaby,
All that and you climbed in Eldo? How do you do it?
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Mar 20, 2014 - 01:15pm PT
Thanks, Roy....my wife has been wanting to give my neck traction for years now.

Of course....it's with a noose. : )
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Mar 20, 2014 - 01:18pm PT
Dr. Sanjay Khurana

He don't sound very 'Murican to me.....


Best of luck Dean, I'm gonna need a Toprope for a day or two up in Tuolumne as soon as the road opens up. Heal up strong you hear?!
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Mar 20, 2014 - 01:29pm PT
Not treating a condition and perhaps allowing it to become chronic seems incomprehensible to me. I've taken all the proper steps to mediating this issue....three doctors in agreement that this treatment will serve me well.

Bruce....I can assure you, the Doc is VERY American.....and a very highly regarded pro. I like him a ton.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Mar 20, 2014 - 01:37pm PT
Coz...if you took the time to read my OP, you would see that I was not looking for advice....I was looking for people that have had the procedure...and whether it worked for them or not. Got it?

And it's 'here'....not "hear".

EDIT: And how did I "snap"? What are you talking about?
overwatch

climber
Mar 20, 2014 - 03:43pm PT
Probably the got its
bergbryce

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Mar 20, 2014 - 03:53pm PT
A bulging L5/S1 (low back) with serious sciatica caused me to eventually get one. the first did nothing, the second a little. some people respond really well to this treatment, others not so much. It seems to be a case by case basis from what I've gathered. There really isn't any reason to not get it, it's a procedure done thousands (millions??) of times and some people get relief, others don't. I opted to not get any anesthesia the second one, which is more like conscious sedation, and I think they just used a local anesthetic and it wasn't a big deal. Your neck might be a little bit different, might want that versed or whatever they use.
Good luck, I hope it works for you.
Lollie

Social climber
I'm Lolli. Hey that's me and I want you only
Mar 20, 2014 - 04:00pm PT
Cragman, I've had it twice, if the translation is correct. 20 and 22 years ago. Didn't even think about it, moments decision on the second one. Second doctor was better than the first. No big deal.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Mar 20, 2014 - 04:11pm PT
Cragman- is your cervix dilated???
CONGRATS!!!!!
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