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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Mar 19, 2014 - 09:56pm PT
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Cragger , you need to see real doctors.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Mar 19, 2014 - 09:58pm PT
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Wouldn't you need to have a cervix?
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Mar 19, 2014 - 10:00pm PT
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I had a lumbar/sacrum shot.
Only time in a hospital/alien abduction.
It helped.
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Robb
Social climber
It's Ault or Nunn south of Shy Annie
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Mar 19, 2014 - 10:03pm PT
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Yes(Lumbar though).
Not bad - more mental than physical in terms of stress IMO.
God Bless, God's Speed Lad
Robb
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Mar 19, 2014 - 10:31pm PT
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Ron...Was your brothers degradation from an errant arrow...? rj
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Mar 19, 2014 - 10:40pm PT
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Cragman: Since you are having the procedure in two days, it appears you are suffering from a little bout of Cognitive Dissonance.
Not uncommon, but it is unlikely you will agree with any advice at this time that conflicts with the decision you have made.
Best Wishes for your decision being the correct decision!
Here's Wikipedia's take on the subject.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
Leon Festinger's theory of cognitive dissonance focuses on how humans strive for internal consistency. When inconsistency (dissonance) is experienced, individuals largely become psychologically distressed. His basic hypotheses are listed below:
1."The existence of dissonance, being psychologically uncomfortable, will motivate the person to try to reduce the dissonance and achieve consonance"
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 19, 2014 - 10:42pm PT
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Dude, if I may be so familiar, please get a second opinion. I know it is just me
but there's something about sticking sharp objects into the neck or back that gets me.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Mar 19, 2014 - 10:54pm PT
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Dean... Hope you solve the neck issues...sounds horrible...rj
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Mar 19, 2014 - 11:12pm PT
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Cragman! Re your comment on my post:
Fritz....don't over think it, pal.
Yep! Simple but common: Cognitive dissonance.
It is unlikely you will agree with any advice at this time that conflicts with the decision you have made.
Best Wishes for your decision being the correct decision!
(as I mentioned previously.)
Best Wishes!
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Brian
climber
California
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Mar 19, 2014 - 11:31pm PT
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Hardly on here these days, but I'm glad I caught this thread…
Best wishes for a full, fast recovery Dean. You'll be in our thoughts and prayers the next couple of days as you build up to and recover from the procedure. Here's to hoping you'll be back in fine form for spring in the Sierra and summer in the Meadows.
Brian
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Mar 20, 2014 - 12:03am PT
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I had a bulging disc in C6/C7. Did two injections and they didn't help, so my doc said no need doing a third. I didn't get surgery, took it easy for awhile and that seemed to help. Now I get a pinched nerve every couple of months, but it's way better than constant pain. I would try the injections first then go from there. I do know people who've had the surgery and it really worked for them. Good luck.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Mar 20, 2014 - 12:13am PT
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Had a couple Lumbar injections a few years back. Seemed to help quite a bit but I think it is largely a temporary fix. Not sure how your insurance work but in my case the the injections were quite costly and were basically an out of pocket expense until my deductible was covered.
My personal feeling was that they were not worth the expense but I do think they lowered my pain level quite a bit.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Mar 20, 2014 - 12:30am PT
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Yeah the injections don't fix the problem they help against the inflammation and do a temporary fix pain wise. I feel your pain Cragman, each day around noon my head would feel too heavy for my body and all I wanted was to lay down. You having numbness in your fingers?
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Mar 20, 2014 - 12:39am PT
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Bummer, good luck man.
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overwatch
climber
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Mar 20, 2014 - 12:43am PT
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I don't know you but sorry to hear. Is surgery the next step after this if it doesn't work?
edit: apogee beat me to it.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Mar 20, 2014 - 01:47am PT
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Good luck.
I know that my lumbar injections were a short fix, 2-3 months usually.
I stopping getting them a year ago when a a different Dr. than the regular one went through the disk then pulled out allowing lose of spinal fluid which created out of this world headaches for two weeks.
I've now went back to pain management for my back with pain killers and won't have another epidurle again.
I hope yours work without incident.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Mar 20, 2014 - 02:29am PT
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Sorry to hear this. Chronic pain is such a trial.
Will be interested to hear the results...
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Mar 20, 2014 - 12:21pm PT
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Yes, in 2011 I had two cervical cortisone injections via guided fluoroscopy (epidural).
The first one resolved 70% of my complaint and the second one a month later was ineffective at helping me to gain much further ground.
With the fluoroscopy they can target the injection very safely because they are watching a moving x-ray during injection.
I've also in the last six months had two cortisone injections (with fluoroscopy) at my lower lumbar facet joints, which didn't do anything for my symptoms. Following an MRI, I'm subsequently 10 days out from an injection for strained/torn ligaments in my lower lumbar and it is only vaguely working, so it's hard to generalize about cortisone. It's never worked for chronic inflammation and tendinitis in my arms and knees. I've even had arm surgeons fail to achieve nerve blocks in my arms using cortisone.
The rules about limitation on cortisone use pertain as much to hormonal changes as they do to the often cited risk of tissue damage.
Although I'm not 100% with the neck, (still feels vulnerable and kind of tweaky in the area) I have not had a remission. I'd call that pretty successful use of cortisone.
I didn't initially present with neck pain, but with some numb and tingly fingers on one side. No acute injury. Then, severe, super gnarly pain at shoulder, scapula, sub scapula, bicep, tricep and forearm. Pounding on the floor pain. ER level pain. Post-surgery pain meds level pain.
The details:
Herniated disc C6/7 confirmed via MRI.
Only mild stenosis.
I forget what the EMG showed.
One week of Prednisone ineffective.
Gabapentin helped me regain the use of the arm but it was very painful to use it for anything from tying shoes on up.
Then the first injection basically fixed the problem. The theory goes now: the body can reabsorb herniated discs. Cortisone buys time for the body to do its thing by reducing inflammation.
One device recommended by my spine Doc, in addition to PT, was a Saunders Neck Traction Device. About $200 to $400 on eBay. The key in its design is that it does not place any force on the jaw, but (in theory) stretching the cervical area helps create suction for the disc to be reabsorbed.
I still use this neck traction device every morning for 20 min, followed by some stretches and exercises for deep neck muscles.
So if you're profile is like mine (stenosis isn't so bad and this is primarily a herniated disc) you may find relatively happy results with this upcoming injection. Good luck!
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chez
Social climber
chicago ill
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Mar 20, 2014 - 01:10pm PT
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tarbaby,
All that and you climbed in Eldo? How do you do it?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 20, 2014 - 01:18pm PT
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Dr. Sanjay Khurana
He don't sound very 'Murican to me.....
Best of luck Dean, I'm gonna need a Toprope for a day or two up in Tuolumne as soon as the road opens up. Heal up strong you hear?!
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